Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 17

May 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 17, 2016.

Rowlet



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Rowlet → List of Pokémon (650–721) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rowlet&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rowlet stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Target section does not exist. No idea what was intended. —teb728 t c 21:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Temporarily retarget to Pokémon Sun and Moon . Rowlet is a starter Pokémon for the next generation. Retargeting there gives readers information about the Pokémon until the next generation list is created. Once that list is created, this should be a redirect to its entry there. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The list has been created, so retarget all three starters there (I do hope it's not created too soon though). -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Litten (Pokémon) and Popplio are the other two starter Pokémon and were created at the same time. I have WP:BOLDLY retargeted them to Pokémon Sun and Moon but I don't have any qualms about them being added to this discussion if someone disagrees. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:29, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment' I was thinking it is a likely typo for Rowley. But then that is just me. Si Trew (talk) 02:12, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Pok%C3%A9mon (722-%3F). I just found out that the target section got moved to that location. -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk ) 04:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Pok%C3%A9mon (722-%3F) given the precedent established with other Pokemon CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Marie André



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 * The result of the discussion was delete both Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Marie André → Yves Marie André (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marie_Andr%C3%A9&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Marie_André stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Marie Andre → Yves Marie André (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marie_Andre&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Marie_Andre stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(Neelix and Eubot respectively). I think it's safe to assume this is a middle+surname combination, since his nickname is "le Père André" (Father André). I don't see any evidence of him being known as simply "Marie André." Per WP:R, this suppresses searches for other "close but no cigar" names, such as people named Marie-Andrée, Jean-Marie André, André Marie, André-Marie, etc. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete on the basis of WP:XY alone, regardless of whether this is a surname or not. ~ RobTalk 20:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. A search for that name is likely to look for Marie-Andrée, so those variants should be mentioned in that DAB page. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Massers



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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted as Neelix redirect. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:27, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Massers → Masser (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massers&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Massers stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Tut tut not sure about this one. The DAB has two surnames on it which are Masser not Massers. OK the two together could be massers but that would be like calling me and my brother a pair of trews. I don't think you can do it this way can you? (Neelix redirect) Si Trew (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Not everything needs to be an R from Plural. No notable group called Massers. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:07, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes it is not idomatic like Keeping up with the Joneses and so on or The Broons. It would be pointless well harmful I feel to do it for every surname. While saying something like "The Windsors" or "The Fotherington.Thomases" is good English way to refer to a family, these are not in that idiomatic sense being treated as members of a family. Just because two people share a surname does not mean they are related (very closely we're all related eventually of course); they are two completely separate people. Si Trew (talk) 01:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. Massers is a word, but it's not likely to be used in a surname context. The assumption I'm making is that someone would be looking for the word "massers," of which we do not have. My !vote is weak, however, since we do have a Wiktionary box on the surname page to partially alleviate that, and another reasonable option would be to retarget to the Wiktionary page. I'd rather not do that because it's not a word likely to be searched for on Wikipedia, but I can see the argument for it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as just not helpful and it looks like this was already flushed by someone anyways due to its Neelix connection, so this matter seems to be closed. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:07, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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MARAWA SAMANDAR



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 * The result of the discussion was deleted by . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * MARAWA SAMANDAR → Dead Sea (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MARAWA_SAMANDAR&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=MARAWA_SAMANDAR stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I don’t know what this means, but I can find no evidence that it has anything to do with the Dead Sea. Unless evidence is found, delete it. Gorobay (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It means "Dead Sea" in some Indo-Iranian language. Don't know which one, definitely not Farsi or Kurdish. Punjabi comes close. Either way, we don't normally keep redirects from terms in a language that has nothing to do with the topic, so delete. Uanfala (talk) 21:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought that too WP:RFOREIGN. The caps also is a bit annoying but we don't have Marawa Samandar. The "Mar" at the front gives a clue that it's a sea but I don't know this language. Indo-European but I am not sure which one of the many! Si Trew (talk) 01:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The mar bit is the one pointing to death (is there anything wrong with talking about death? we aren't imtal) and marawa looks like some Indo-Aryan past participle. The sea is samandar, common variant of Sanskrit Samudra. So most probably an Indian, not Iranian, language. But all this doesn't make it any more or less RFOREIGN. Uanfala (talk) 22:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't see it in the article, but maybe I'm not searching properly. Also the caps make my head hurt. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm seeing no usage of this by any reliable source anywhere. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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Rhode Island General Treasurer
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 29%23Rhode Island General Treasurer

The Masses (Thai newspaper)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 29%23The Masses (Thai newspaper)

The Masses (Egyptian newspaper)



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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted by Sphilbrick. --BDD (talk) 13:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The Masses (Egyptian newspaper) → Democratic Movement for National Liberation (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Masses_(Egyptian_newspaper)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Masses_(Egyptian_newspaper) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Trouble to find this one. It is probably OK but is not as far as I see said as "The masses" at the target (neelix redirect) may be another back translation. J'entende la francias au lede et je bien connu la traduction aussi francais suite arabique, mais je ne oh shit English sorry. The French lists it in French title in the first setnece of the lede, the Arabic is fine, but I don't know where we get the English from (for the newspaper not the target). It is not as if it is Pravda or Isvestya tho it essentially means the same thing. Can we do this? Si Trew (talk) 14:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Take into account that this was just about the time of the Suez Crisis so was probably very politically motivated not by Egyptians. Do we have any RS on this it is not at the target as far as I see but I may have missed. Si Trew (talk) 14:48, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I can back translate if required for a first draft from the French but this may be WP:MADEUP. The Arabic I am not so great at but I did live in Egypt a couple of years so can give you a kinda brief summary. I imagine I am the only editor here who has seen the Nasser Monument, the Russian inscirptions on the Aswan High Dam and had four of my friends blown up by Israeli mines planted in the red sea at the ages of four, five, six and seven, when I was ten, not intentionally but left there from a previous conflict. Sometimes I know what I am talking about. Not often but sometimes. Si Trew (talk) 14:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Blimey that French of mine at the top was appalling. In French, parler francais comme une vache espanol, to speak French like a Spanish cow. I don't think there is an equivalent in English. Si Trew (talk) 14:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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Polishes



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 17:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Polishes → Polish (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polishes&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Polishes stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Does anyone call people from Poland Polishes? I know a lot of French Polishes I suppose they cross bred sometime between the Napolonic war. Target is a DAB but I am not sure this at Wikipedia makes sense to go anywhere does it? We can mark as but it could equally (and probably meant to be). The DAB does not really help me out there because quite rightly WP:NOUN. No doubt someone who polishes something is a polisher and polishes but WP:NOTDIC. Any ideas? Keep it where it is? Si Trew (talk) 14:07, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Declaration of interest. In my local Budgen's where I lived in Cambridge there was a "Polish section" because many Poles live in Cambridge and around. One night when they were not looking I moved all the Polish gherkins off somewhere and filled it up with Brasso and Mr. Sheen and so on as a joke and I don't think I ever got found out. But I had many good Polish friends in Cambridge but do not speak what I would say polski but that can sound rude so I don't know how to call this one. Neelix redirect forgot to say. Si Trew (talk) 14:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I seem to recall you telling the same story about a Tesco. Artistic license, or just a frequent hobby of yours? --BDD (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Aha, evidence! J'accuse! --BDD (talk) 20:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Grudgingly Keep, as the dab page to which it points disambiguates between nail polishes, shoe polishes and (implicitly) furniture polishes, the three plausible reasons someone might be searching on this term. &#8209; Iridescent 14:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine by me sorry for the . Si Trew (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per Iridescent as either an R from verb (i.e. polishing) or R from plural, and per the earlier outcome on Frenches. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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Win loss



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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 14:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Win loss → Win–loss (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Win_loss&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Win_loss stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure you can do this without the hyphen because it is kinda necessary. The target is a WP:TWODABS both of which are hyphenated. This is essentially Game Theory and we could retarget there but it is not my job to explain to the idiots at RfD the mathematics of game theory any more than for they to explain to me how to cook fishfingers which has an interseting etymology ooh may have some tonight. Just not sure takin the space out is a good idea. of course if we decide to keep but the search engine is pretty neutral on spaces and hyphens so I say Weak delete because it makes the search engine better. I have been saying a lot it's a coin toss so could equally see this going to heads or tails or something, I can't put my finger on it as indeed I can't on a coin (I only deal in folding) but there is something I just feel odd about this one. Si Trew (talk) 13:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Although the hyphenated form is commonest, "Win loss" and "Win/Loss" are both in circulation (example). It shouldn't redirect to game theory, as the term is also in common use in sports reporting (particularly baseball). &#8209; Iridescent 19:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedily withdrawn as keep by nom. If someone calls the toss that is just fine by me. Si Trew (talk) 01:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Life historian
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 29%23Life historian

Klimax
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 26%23Klimax

Climaxing
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 29%23Climaxing

Historian of evolution



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 * The result of the discussion was delete Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Historian of evolution → Evolutionary history of life (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Historian_of_evolution&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Historian_of_evolution stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Does this make any sense. You would think if it meant anyone it meant Charles Darwin but I am not sure even that would make sense. (Neelix redirect) We have in plural as well which makes even less sense because then definitely you are talking about historians rather than the history of something. Could possibly mean a DAB of Carol Linneas Carle Linné I don't know which we prefer in English: Pinging User:Plantdrew on this one because that editor can probably separate the wheat from the chaff here whereas when I did me grass with a petrol lawnmower tégnap and just ended up with petrol all over me hands and a mouthful of chaff. Si Trew (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Forgot to say neelix redirect. Si Trew (talk) 12:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I assume this mirrors History of evolution, which is a bit misleading. History of evolutionary thought is probably what readers would be looking for there, but it doesn't discretely treat historians, let alone this main Historian of Evolution implied here. --BDD (talk) 13:19, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think we have to separate history from historians that is my basic doubt. I mean we could put it to the great Jacob Bronowski and The Ascent of Man and I can RS that because I have it in woodware (in a second hand first edition, thank you) but I don't think it would make much sense to do so. Si Trew (talk) 14:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete or Retarget to History of evolutionary thought. I'd expect a historian of evolution to be somebody who studies Lamarck as well as Darwin. History of evolutionary thought covers that aspect, but it's still not about historians themselves. I don't see any harm in deleting or any great value in keeping. Plantdrew (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. This would imply a list of historians who study evolution, of which we don't have articles but categories such as Category:Evolutionary biologists or Category:Human evolution theorists or Category:Proto-evolutionary biologists. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - A discussion and listing off of individuals who have worked as historians of evolutionary thought and shaped the broad history is quite its own, distinct thing. The above comments have it right. I'm wondering now if Neelix had ever done something like this but even more galling such as Historians of murderous criminals -> Serial killers or Historians of prostitution and sex crimes -> Prostitutes, even more (People studying X) -> (X) redirect leaps. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:16, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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Wineville Chicken Coop
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Wineville Chicken Coop → Wineville Chicken Coop Murders (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wineville_Chicken_Coop&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wineville_Chicken_Coop stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Will combine Si Trew (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No actually I won't. a chicken coop is not the same thing as a murder. What to do with this? It could be of course but II think it is simply misleading isn't it? We have or at least I hope we have an article about a Chicken coop i.e. a place you store and feed hens and stuff and there is no mention of this place having much to do with raising domestic fowl so is this a bit kinda running around the houses (as indeed do the chickens The Great Gonzo where are you!?) I presume Wineville once had a chicken coop or two but this makes no sense on Wikipedia WP:RFD nonsense at least the Wineville Chicken Coop if notable should be WP:REDLINK. Sometimes backwards runs logic until reels the mind. Si Trew (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You know my mum is starting to suffer from what used to be called Senility and thinks she's a chicken. Family keeps asking me why not take her to the doctor's. Well we would but we need the eggs. (Now that must be the corniest old joke ever told at RfD). Si Trew (talk) 12:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If someone contests this and says that there is a real place called Wineville Chicken Coop I will accept that. It just about comes under the rules of the US Board of Geographic Names so it may exist somewhere. I deliberately don't look these things up because I come as an intelligent but ignorant reader to these things and what would I expect to find? Not a murder, surely. A place, possibly. My deliberate ignorance I realise is sometimes seen as arrogance but if I was always taught when you write something you have to put your mind to an intelligent but ignorant reader well before the days of Wikipedia. What would they expect of this one? You know in your own head what you mean and have to kinda step outside yourself and think what would others take it to mean ? Si Trew (talk) 12:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no Wineville Chicken Coop; the murders took place on a chicken farm in Wineville, California. I'm pretty sure no one is going to link to the coop without the murders mentioned, and how likely is it that someone searching for the murders is going to type this out, yet leave off the "murders" part?— Gorthian (talk) 09:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I see our Neelix also created Wineville Chicken and Wineville Chicken Murder. Those poor fowls.— Gorthian (talk) 09:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per Gorthian. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Wineville Chicken Coop Murder
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 * The result of the discussion was keep Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:03, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Wineville Chicken Coop Murder → Wineville Chicken Coop Murders (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wineville_Chicken_Coop_Murder&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wineville_Chicken_Coop_Murder stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure on this one. Since by definition it is a series of murders surely we cannot have just one of them can we? Of course we can but I am not sure it would make sense to do so. We also have to same target which if I forget to list someone else should do so. I am fed up with this WP:ANI if I went on Judge Judy I would be paid to defend myself. Si Trew (talk) 12:05, 17 May 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 12:05, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * That is no disrespect to the admins who have to weigh the case and decide at WP:ANI. I call myself "Si Trew" by the way because that is how I like to be known in real life, but in Hungarian I am usually called either Shimon (if I transliterate) or by my friends around here húlye angol well that is what I call myself as self-deprecation. I should like to find another editor here who will own up and admit that when he went out at whatever local time he spoke four different languages before he had breakfast. I do that every day. Not well, but I do it. Before I get a loaf of bread I have to translate it not because I cannot speak Hungarian but because my wife travels and she has to speak German and in a few weeks will have to speak a bit of Dutch which I can speak better than her, so when I go into a shop apart from taking a Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook I have to think which language am I speaking at the second, it is only a double take but it takes just a second to think and because of my rather Aryan look people address me in German which I do not speak well never claimed to so I have to at least get by in some German in Hungary and Roma language. You try doing that before breakfast. You try doing it for free on Wikipedia and then being insulted (as I see it) for it.


 * You can imagine our sex life with the bed covered in translation books apparently kama sutra means car manual for a morris minor or something I dunno. What I can add to Wikipedia is not an understanding or intimate knowledge of every subject, everyone is going to know more than I do, but I can add a kinda cross cradle of knowing the people who know. There are very few of them about, so I don't think it is wise to ban one who can do that. But that is just my last defence I am fed up defending myself. I get on with making Wikipedia better. Si Trew (talk) 12:12, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. R to plural Steel1943  (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - In practical terms, typing out "____ murder" or "____ killing" when you meant "___ murders" or "____ killings" appears like such a straight-forward typo. This seems helpful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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Leopold Franz Julius
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 13:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Leopold Franz Julius → Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leopold_Franz_Julius&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Leopold_Franz_Julius stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I give up giving reasons. A neelix redirect. This is maybe OK but I can imagine not only the first bloke ever to be called lenny frank james. Lenny Henry for example. (Not quite) Si Trew (talk) 11:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, his name is "Leopold Franz Julius," so this one is fine and it's unambiguous. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:24, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Antisigmapi
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 31%23Antisigmapi

San pi
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 31%23San pi

Enacosis
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn. The only comment besides those by the nominator was to keep. (non-admin closure) — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Enacosis → Sampi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Enacosis&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Enacosis stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(Lots of these coming). The etymology in the target section I will add section if I can but it is Sampi does not mention this. I believe that this is a kinda bad back translation from the Greek. It is not way off but it is enough off that I think this counts as WP:RFD nonsense. Will attempt to combine but I notice another editor has starting to contribute so do not wish to put my boots on their feet Si Trew (talk) 10:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: article lists it as a historical name at end of lead. Uanfala (talk) 21:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedily withdrawn and keep. I did search for this at the target both by eye and using the search thingy Firefox has but somehow missed this was in the lede. Thanks for the second check. Si Trew (talk) 02:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OK sorry let me qualify. This was and is a redirect to the section "Names". Neelix was actually quite good at adding in sections to redirects but not as tagging as . That may be why I missed it in the lede. All we have to do on closing is take the section out then, yes? But then the lede should not "define" things it should just be a summary and if it is not elsewhere in the article... oh I dunno... Si Trew (talk) 02:05, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Crossism
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. I also removed the section header since it's not described in the prose. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Crossism → Alberta general election, 1913 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crossism&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Crossism stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Crossist → Alberta general election, 1913 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crossist&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Crossist stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(neelix redirect) not sure on this one. I don't think it's crucial but beyond the section header Cross the Canuck is not mentioned in the section at all. WP:NOTPERFECT pinging User:Ivanvector because although wrong province that user probably has a better idea than me of local history. (By the way Ivan I found a twonie in my change yesterday!) Si Trew (talk) 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 10:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That sounded a bit patronising local history. Like probably five hundred clicks from where Ivanvector might live but probably has a better idea of Canadian history and dialect than I do, I have only been there a few times and went out with a canadian for seven years but I wouldn't be able to call this. Ivanvector will probably be please to know that when we had a street party for Her Majesty's Golden Jubilee we had all the red white and blue down my street cos it was a quiet street where we lived, but painted up a big Canadian flag the maple leaf one I got the dimensions of the back of a pack of fags or probably the interweb and did it properly and we waved the Canadian flag it was about six feet wide by four feet deep the proper dimensions but only done in acrylic red and white we just said sod that she's their queen too. That went down a treat (genuinely did!) The really buggers are the Canadian is quarters are so similar in dimension to British tenpennies you forever get them confused. Mind you I used a British tenpenny in a parking meter in Toronto once and it seems to work and with the exchange rate at the time that saved me, oh, I dunno, seventeen millionths of a cent. Just didn't have a quarter on me at the time. Now you'd be at a loss if you tried that, throwing your money away! Si Trew (talk) 10:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I thought this sounded like a Christian term. Google shows instances of Christianity being called something like this in Japanese and Arabic, though it looks far too obscure to be a viable synonym. --BDD (talk) 13:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete along with Crossist which goes to the same place (I added it). A user added "and Crossism" to a section header about "Siftonism" but didn't add a definition of Crossism. We all know this sort of construction works to describe a particular politician's ideology (see McCarthyism) but this doesn't seem to refer to any politician running in the election or political philosophy of the time (or ever, for that matter), so it's really not useful as a redirect. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess Charles Wilson Cross. Not every electoral candidate is an ism. Si Trew (talk) 02:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete far, far too generic a redirect to point to a small relatively non-notable in a global sense election. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="Sun Hill, Israel">Sun Hill, Israel
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Sun Hill, Israel">Sun Hill, Israel → Givat Shemesh (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sun_Hill,_Israel&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sun_Hill,_Israel stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I put me foot down on Sun Hill (Hungary) because although that is yes literally a back translation it makes no sense in Budapest nobody would know what you meant. I checked and double checked. This one is its doppelganger and kinda how it disambiguates. I have no idea if this is a good translation or not in Hebrew it just says "lit. Sun Hill" which is fine as a kinda although the Hebrew will no doubt be older than the English. Does this make any sense? I don't know where I could ask do we have WP:HEBREW. I don't think asking WP:ISRAEL makes sense because it is not a question of the place but of the back translation so more a language thing than a place name thing. I don't trust that it might be on a map like that because I know the TomToms and that kind of thing translate and get their translations from Wikipedia essentially and I remember an example of this when the minute I translated a Hungarian article suddenly on my wife's satnav it came up in English so that is going around the houses we need a good Jewish/Hebrew scholar to say whether this makes sense as a back translation. (There's not many Jews around my parts unfortunately, so I can't ask locally. Shalom more Jews taken from Hungary in World War II than any other part of Europe. My sincere respect I don't know how to sign that in the Jewish faith but I make the sign of the cross here now and hope that will do. God will forgive us.) Si Trew (talk) 10:04, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It gives us a bit of a kinda bit of gnoming to do because obviously these are/were technically disambiguation pages. Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 11 is the discussion for the Hungary one. That leaves this one with a bit of a sore thumb as indeed I have. We do have at Sun Hill as I write no doubt cached somewhere along the line but Sun Hill, Hungary is the top entry at the DAB at Sun Hill which is perfectly fine DAB. That is blue for me at the moment but no doubt cached since it's been deleted oh no hang on hang on it is not (Hungary) hanem with a comma. I take that CSD. There is a bit of a mess to tidy here. I cannot help with the Israel one but can certainly do with the Hungary one. Si Trew (talk) 10:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There is not . Either both makes sense or neither makes sense. I take the comma one for Hungary to CSD as procedural delete. Then it may be a little clearer to others to decide. Si Trew (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I must be mistaken somewhere along the line. Neither with the parens existed nor ever has. Why would I think that they did? I ask that question sincerely. Si Trew (talk) 10:46, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="Leviathan (2007 novel)">Leviathan (2007 novel)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. (My first deletion!) -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Leviathan (2007 novel)">Leviathan (2007 novel) → Leviathan (Westerfeld novel) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leviathan_(2007_novel)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Leviathan_(2007_novel) stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Leviathan (2008 novel)">Leviathan (2008 novel) → Leviathan (Westerfeld novel) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leviathan_(2008_novel)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Leviathan_(2008_novel) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Apparently the target was originally supposed to come out in 2007, but kept getting delayed. In the meantime, two separate articles about it got started: Leviathan (disambiguation) doesn't list any novels for those years, only non-fiction. Should these be deleted or retargeted to the disambiguation page anyway? 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * one under Leviathan (2007 novel), which got redirected
 * another under Leviathan (novel) which later got moved to Leviathan (2008 novel), Leviathan (2009 novel), and the current Leviathan (Westerfeld novel).
 * Delete. Likely to cause confusion. –Compassionate727 (T·C) 12:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep both - not likely to cause confusion with any other target, since they were all valid supposed release dates at one time for the novel described at the target. First has history, second is a R from move. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete both. Novel was published in 2009. The dates in the nomimated redirects are erroneous, and are thus misleading. In fact, per Leviathan (disambiguation), there is a 2007 and 2008 novel, so these redirects should be deleted since they could possibly be ambiguous. Steel1943  (talk) 14:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, those are books, not novels. By convention, (book) on Wikipedia means nonfiction. In ambiguous cases, I could see arguments that (book) is ambiguous if there's also a novel, but not vice versa. --BDD (talk) 18:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Right, but that difference in disambiguation may not be as obvious to readers who aren't Wikipedia regulars/familiar with Wikipedia policies. Steel1943  (talk) 17:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per Compassionate727 - likely to cause confusion as novel published in 2009--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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War of the Korean Succession
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


 * War of the Korean Succession → Joseon (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_of_the_Korean_Succession&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=War_of_the_Korean_Succession stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * War of the Corean Succession → Joseon (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_of_the_Corean_Succession&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=War_of_the_Corean_Succession stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as unlikely & ambiguous search terms. There have been various events in Korean history that might be dubbed "wars of succession", but no reliable sources have ever used the term "War of the Korean Succession". 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * delete I find six hits for the exact phrase, and all other searching turns up possible war if the North Korean succession had gone bad (which it didn't). Mangoe (talk) 01:10, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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Angry Birds Volcano
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 * The result of the discussion was destroyed by a lahar. --BDD (talk) 18:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Angry Birds Volcano → Angry Birds (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angry_Birds_Volcano&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-17&end=2016-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Angry_Birds_Volcano stats])     [ Closure:  ]

The term is mentioned in one of the references, but nowhere in the article. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 05:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - It's a silly bit of trivia, nothing more. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete No such game title. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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