Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 2

May 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 2, 2016.

Pink people



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. The majority favours delete. Arguments for deletion include the fact that there isn't any particularly good fit between the redirect title and any current target, the derogatory nature of the previous target, and the multiple possible population groups this title may refer to. Deryck C. 19:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Pink people → Chickenhawk (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pink_people&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pink_people stats])     [ Closure:  ]

No evidence that the term is used for any of the target's subjects; the most common use of the term seems to be the derogatory term for white people. Was this target chosen for political correctness? ANDROS1337 TALK 21:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting. My first impression was that this appeared to be overlooked vandalism from 2009.  On a deeper review of the pagehistories, it may have been a poorly-structured attempt to redirect to what is now Chickenhawk (gay slang) based on some association between gays and the color pink.  Even if plausible, that connection seems too tenuous so revert to the version that redirected to white people since there is some (though very thin) controversy over whether "pink people" really would be a better description of that skin tone.  Rossami (talk) 22:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Revert to the 2007 target per Rossami -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 09:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as there is currently no reference to this term in any of proposed targets. older ≠ wiser 12:31, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as the term can apply equally to white people, LGBT people, a specific group of LGBT people, and fictional races of strongly pink color (see Guardians of the Galaxy). Even a disambiguation page could be problematic as well. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per both older ≠ wiser and CWM, who make excellent points. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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AGBL
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Call of Duty (working title)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 11:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Call of Duty (working title) → Call of Duty (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Call_of_Duty_(working_title)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Call_of_Duty_(working_title) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, old outdated redirect. "Call of Duty" isn't a working title for anything, but the actual title of several games. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep because it helps trace the history of a disputed pagemove early in the life of the article. Tag it with unprintworthy if you like but it is not in the way of anything and does no harm.  Rossami (talk) 21:15, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 09:39, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It vaguely suggests it would be the working title of something other than the target, but it isn't, and it preserves history and gets readers to where the information is, if slightly WP:SURPRISEd thinking there may be a difference. It would be correct but redundant to say at the target, "The working title of Call of duty was Call of duty", and I imagine the content would be swiftly removed, so there is little better we can do. It has on the other hand redirected to various sections of the target during its long life, I presume as new titles came out or were announced, so in that sense it has been a bit kinda WP:CRYSTAL in the past (in the way British weatherforecasters tell you what the weather was like yesterday), and has been retargeted to several sections presumably to whatever was the Next release of Call of Duty (red, I know). Si Trew (talk) 14:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a term used by reliable sources, not a likely search term, one of many redirects that get created every year as speculation of the next CoD game begins in Feb-Apr time frame. (Another is below this request) I don't see anything of real importance in the history. There was two double redirect fixes, then after the game in question had a main article, it was redirected to a Future section of the main series, which no longer exists. Based on the first edit summary, important history has already been merged long ago into the main article for MW2. -- ferret (talk) 18:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The page history is easy enough to trace from existing titles. Deleting this will have a link to this discussion, so it should still be pretty straightforward. --BDD (talk) 20:54, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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Call of Duty: Blood Lines



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Call of Duty: Blood Lines → Call of Duty (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Call_of_Duty:_Blood_Lines&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Call_of_Duty:_Blood_Lines stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Hoax reported by an unreliable source. The1337gamer (talk) 19:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's too speculative to be sure it's a hoax but it definitely is a WP:CRYSTAL violation. Delete.  Rossami (talk) 21:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete This year's title is clearly known to be Infinite Warfare now. Blood Lines was one of several hoax/rumor/speculation titles. No official announcement of any game by this name. -- ferret (talk) 22:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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Fig jam



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Common fig. Deryck C. 13:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Fig jam → FIGJAM (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fig_jam&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Fig_jam stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Also refers to the food product 'fig jam'. Dschslava (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * We have no article for the fruit preserve specifically made of common figs and from what I can tell, we are unlikely to get one that will ever become more than a permastub so redlinking is not a viable option. In the meantime, this redirect is a plausible capitalization/grammatical variant for the disambiguation page.  Keep.  Rossami (talk) 21:27, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget both Fig jam and FIGJAM to Butterfingers (Australian band) and hatnote to Fruit preserves. The acronym derives its notability from the song, so there's no reason to have the other entry. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:39, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * After giving this another look, I think BDD's retarget idea is better for Fig jam. I still think there should be a hatnote between the two places. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Tavix. older ≠ wiser 12:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 *  * dons HK-47 helmet * 
 * Observation: Figs are not mentioned anywhere at Fruit preserves. Query: How likely is the song "Figjam" to be rendered as two words? --BDD (talk) 16:07, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I doubt the song would be rendered as two words. Fig jam is very briefly mentioned at Common fig, so this could be retargeted there. OTOH maybe delete per Wp:REDLINK, since it seems like reasonable articles can be written about various flavours of jam (c.f. tomato jam, coconut jam). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 16:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Many food items without a current article often deserve one, and I think this is such a case. I don't have any of it, personally, but now I want some. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You made me spit water all over my screen from that comment. You owe me a computer screen. Moving on, Retarget per User:BDD. --Saltedcake (talk) 19:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak retarget to Common fig. Seems like the best option right now. --BDD (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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File:Andorra la Vella police station building.jpg



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 20:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * [[File:Andorra la Vella police station building.jpg]] → File:Les Escaldes police station building.jpg (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Andorra_la_Vella_police_station_building.jpg&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=File:Andorra_la_Vella_police_station_building.jpg stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unused redirect created after move from incorrect name. LukeSurlt c 15:24, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Used in historical revisions of Police Corps of Andorra. There is no reason to create red links in the article history. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. The old title is incorrect. I think the harm of preserving an incorrect file name outweighs the benefits of reducing linkrot in old versions of articles. Deryck C. 10:47, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree that preserving an incorrect name that could be confusing for people is an issue. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:38, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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File:TheWedge.jpg



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. JohnCD (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * [[File:TheWedge.jpg]] → File:The Wedge (poetry anthology).jpg (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:TheWedge.jpg&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=File:TheWedge.jpg stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unused redirect. Potential for confusion with media relating to other "The Wedge" works LukeSurlt c 12:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This redirect is used in Special:PermanentLink/702275325. There is usually no good reason to create dead links in the history of an article. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:35, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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File:TheBigFellow.png



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. JohnCD (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * [[File:TheBigFellow.png]] → File:The Big Fellow (Vance Plamer novel).png (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:TheBigFellow.png&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=File:TheBigFellow.png stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unused redirect. Potential for confusion with File:Thebigfellow.png LukeSurlt c 12:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Used in two historical revisions of The Big Fellow (novel), Special:PermanentLink/711124721 and Special:PermanentLink/694165191. It seems unnecessary to introduce red links in the article history. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Jamie Curry



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. JohnCD (talk) 08:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Jamie Curry → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Curry&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jamie_Curry stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jamie curry → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_curry&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jamie_curry stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jamie's World → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie%27s_World&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jamie's_World stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jamie's world → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie%27s_world&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jamie's_world stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jamies World → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamies_World&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jamies_World stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jamies world → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamies_world&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jamies_world stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * TheJamiesWorld → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TheJamiesWorld&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=TheJamiesWorld stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Thejamiesworld → List of YouTubers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thejamiesworld&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Thejamiesworld stats])     [ Closure:  ]

List of YouTubers has a notability criteria to it. Logically, that means there shouldn't be redirects of this nature to the list: either Jamie Curry and/or the channel is notable, and there should be an article written about it, or it's not notable, and there shouldn't be an entry on the subject at the list. Either way, the redirects should be deleted: if the subject is notable, this makes a perfect WP:REDLINK case to encourage creation of a proper article. If not, there shouldn't be an entry on this list, making the redirects misleading. There is not currently an entry at the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. It has a notability criterion attached to it. Tut, tut. Si Trew (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete for WP:REDLINK Ollieinc  ( talk ) 10:25, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete also for WP:TOOSOON. Article that demonstrates notability should be developed first. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:57, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Jamie Curry and Jamie's World until and unless notability is demonstrated. This old AfD decision suggests that he is not notable and that WP:REDLINK would be inappropriate.  As the evidence behind some of these very pages show, making a title into a redirect can serve to discourage users from re-creating articles that we've already decided we don't want.  Yes, we could protect the title instead but SALTing a title is an extreme step that should not be taken when a redirect is sufficient.  The fact that the subject is not currently on the "List of..." page is not a problem. The capitalization and spacing variants have no such history of deterrent effect - but they're also harmless.  Rossami (talk) 21:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think you have it backwards. When something gets deleted over and over again, salting is the appropriate action to prevent something from being recreated. A redirect would work when there's content to redirect to, but in this case there is none. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:46, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No, actually the standard is in favor of redirects. The logic behind that rule is that notability can change with time.  Someone who didn't qualify for an article last year might easily qualify today.  If the title has been turned into a redirect, any ordinary editor can boldly overwrite the redirect with content.  Other editors who watchlisted the title will evaluate the new content and either confirm that notability has changed (by not reverting) or simply turn back the clock.  No special admin powers are required.  On the other hand, if we SALT a page, the only way to create the content is to first find an admin, then petition to have the page unprotected, prove your point in one or more different forums and finally actually get to start writing.  This adds bureaucracy and delay - features contrary to the very nature and aspirations of a wiki.  SALTing a title is sometimes necessary but should never be the first choice.  Rossami (talk) 23:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * So the proper solution is to redirect this to a random list that makes no reference to Jamie Curry or Jamie's World? Tell me how that makes any sense at all... If the notability for Jamie Curry were to substantially change, all someone would need to do is make a post to WP:DRV and explain why recreation should be allowed. It's not pointless bureaucracy but an important process that keeps non-notable stuff from being reverted by fanboys. That's one of the purposes of Deletion review: deletion review may be used if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * At the moment, delete, but I note for posterity that she is very likely to meet GNG at least, so an article will probably be written in the future. — This, that and the other (talk) 02:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. It makes no sense to redirect to an article that makes no mention of the name. older ≠ wiser 15:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Andrés önd



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 08:48, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Andrés önd → Donald Duck (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andr%C3%A9s_%C3%B6nd&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-02&end=2016-05-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Andrés_önd stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I might be gone from this site for the most part. But I am making an exception since this is a redirect that needs to go. The only times redirects from other languages are acceptable is if it's the original language, that's not the case here, Donald Duck is originally from the United States, therefore his name in Icelandic shouldn't redirect on the English Wikipedia. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 00:34, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely needed as only an Iceland speaker would likely search this. SwisterTwister   talk  00:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFOREIGN, Donald Duck has no affinity with Icelandic. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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