Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 16

November 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 16, 2016.

Black Barbies
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 23

Dino Crisis (disambiguation)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 24%23Dino Crisis (disambiguation)

Muslimanity

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Muslimanity → Islam (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslimanity&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Muslimanity stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Delete as WP:RFD nonsense. This does exist as a website and name in use, but Islam doesn't mention it. No internal links, hits well below noise level (5 in 90 days). Si Trew (talk) 15:12, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:09, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This really doesn't look keeping. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete — it is nonsense. Page created by sporadic editor with ±170 edits in 10 years. There are two entries in the Wiktionary (uppercase/ lower case). Of the creators, one has been blocked, of the other it says "Adding nonsense/gibberish: long history of at worst partisan, or at best absolutely clueless editing, which climaxed in in Category:English words prefixed with genital-)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rui Gabriel Correia (talk • contribs) 10:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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ئیسلام
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 23

Musliminity

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Musliminity → Islam (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Musliminity&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Musliminity stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Below the redirect is the text "This is to correct an error made by Kris Z of Aurora, ON, Canada." which was added by the creator about two weeks after its creation on 18 March 2013. I have no idea what error that might be, but maybe the creator User:Vinceouca can explain. I would say Delete as WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 14:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:10, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * delete probably better deleted due to redirect's history and as unlikely synonym. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:36, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Even if this term was used by someone, somewhere, it's still not helpful and pretty much just a waste of our time. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
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Former Interstate 84 (Connecticut—Rhode Island)

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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted as WP:G7. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Former Interstate 84 (Connecticut—Rhode Island) → Draft:Interstate 84 (Connecticut–Rhode Island) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Former_Interstate_84_(Connecticut%E2%80%94Rhode_Island)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Former_Interstate_84_%28Connecticut%E2%80%94Rhode_Island%29 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Although this technically qualifies for CSD R2, JJBers has removed the CSD tag, so now RfD is needed as deletion becomes controversial. A recent move of the target page made Xqbot fix the double redirect. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk,  contribs ) 14:34, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:XNR. It can be recreated when the draft is moved into article space (at this title or elsewhere). Si Trew (talk) 14:39, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, the CSD tag says to wait a day or two, it had been about 6 hours since the move. I still feel it needs to be deleted.&mdash; JJ Be rs &#124;  ta lk  16:05, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That tag says "consider waiting a day or two", not that it's a requirement. Either way, since you have vocalized a "delete" opinion in this discussion and since you technically created the page, I'll consider that authorization to tag the redirect for speedy deletion criterion G7, and will do so here shortly. Steel1943  (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
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Nigerians in Uruguay

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Nigerians in Uruguay → Afro-Uruguayans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nigerians_in_Uruguay&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nigerians_in_Uruguay stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, not notable, there is no migration of Nigerians to Uruguay, redirect was created after an editor found an article about four Nigerians arriving in that country Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 14:08, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:RFD confusing, not at target. The target discusses Uruguayans of African descent (primarily those having slave ancestors), not Nigerians who happen to live in Uruguay. Si Trew (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, I will write a proper article. As the trend of African immigration to South America keeps growing, there is a Nigerian presence in Uruguay. --Fadesga (talk) 14:27, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment The article that was cited The articl is about four Nigerians who arrived in Uruguay, one, a "monarch" from a place that could not be found, visiting the country for business purposes; two stow-aways who applied for asylum and were deported, and a lost soul who paid money to be taken to the US but was tricked into disembarking in Uruguay. None was migrating to Uruguay. Even if there was such a grwing trend of African migrants to South America, are we going to end up with 30, 40, redirects (Nigerians, Malians, Tanzanians, Senegalese, etc.) multiplied by the number of countries they are going to, (Nigerians to Colombia, Brazil, Panama, Peru, etc.)? Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 14:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * We have Category:Nigerian expatriates (and subcats including Category:Nigerian expatriates in Uruguay, and similar for Category:Malian expatriates in Hungary, and so forth. I don't think we need to duplicate that by by making redirects for all of them. We could retarget this as a WP:XNR to the category (since categories are in reader space). Si Trew (talk) 15:05, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete to encourage redlink / article creation if the former topic is notable. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:12, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. As per my observations above. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 16:19, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage article creation -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:18, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
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When is Christmas?
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 24%23When is Christmas?

Holiday decorations

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 * The result of the discussion was  delete.   The rough consensus is that this title is too vague.   Deryck C. 12:57, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Holiday decorations → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holiday_decorations&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Holiday_decorations stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I'm inclined to retarget this to Christmas decoration but am hesitant to do so, because Christmas is not the only holiday for which people decorate things, or are decorated themselves. However, I couldn't find anything better at the DAB at decoration. (Incidentally, holiday decoration is red.) Si Trew (talk) 12:49, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as vague WP:XY AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:14, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget per nom. There are an awful lot of holidays which are not Christmas for which there are traditional decorations, although this seems to be the only one for which we have a separate article. If there were others then perhaps we could turn this into a set index, but I haven't been able to find any by very quickly searching. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:34, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. From Holiday:"The word holiday has differing connotations in different regions. In the United States the word is used exclusively to refer to the nationally, religiously or culturally observed day(s) of rest or celebration, or the events themselves, whereas in the U.K. and other Commonwealth nations, the word may refer to the period of time where leave from one’s duties has been agreed, and is used as a synonym to the US preferred vacation."


 * (emphasis added). I'd go further: in UK "holiday" without qualification means "vacation" (a U.S. word, which as a Brit I understand but do not use), to be distinguished from e.g. "Christmas holiday" and "bank holiday". Narky Blert (talk) 02:02, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as potentially confusing -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:36, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - I didn't find a good target at ornament either. I was surprised to find Halloween decoration(s) is red. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 07:30, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


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`Id-ul-milad

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 * The result of the discussion was  delete.      Deryck C. 12:57, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * `Id-ul-milad → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%60Id-ul-milad&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%60Id-ul-milad stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Eid Al Milad Al Majeed → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eid_Al_Milad_Al_Majeed&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Eid_Al_Milad_Al_Majeed stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete both WP:RFOREIGN as not mentioned at target. (Neither "Eid" or "'Id" appear at the target at all.) Si Trew (talk) 12:39, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:39, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


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Cancelled Qatari general election, 2013

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 * The result of the discussion was  delete all except Qatari legislative election, 2013.  There is no consensus on (1), (4), (5) and consensus to delete on (2), (3). Since (1)-(4) were the result of redirects left behind by page moves made in violation of a ban, (1), (4) default to delete without prejudice against recreation by editors in good standing, whereas (5) defaults to keep because it was the original title of the article.  Deryck C. 17:49, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Cancelled Qatari general election, 2013 → Next Qatari general election (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cancelled_Qatari_general_election,_2013&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-08&end=2016-11-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Cancelled_Qatari_general_election%2C_2013 stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Indefinitly postponed Qatari general election, 2013">Indefinitly postponed Qatari general election, 2013 → Next Qatari general election (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indefinitly_postponed_Qatari_general_election,_2013&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-08&end=2016-11-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Indefinitly_postponed_Qatari_general_election%2C_2013 stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Next Qatari general election, 2013">Next Qatari general election, 2013 → Next Qatari general election (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_Qatari_general_election,_2013&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-08&end=2016-11-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Next_Qatari_general_election%2C_2013 stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Qatari general election, 2013">Qatari general election, 2013 → Next Qatari general election (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qatari_general_election,_2013&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-08&end=2016-11-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Qatari_general_election%2C_2013 stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Qatari legislative election, 2013">Qatari legislative election, 2013 → Next Qatari general election (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qatari_legislative_election,_2013&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-08&end=2016-11-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Qatari_legislative_election%2C_2013 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Pretty sure that the next Qatar election isn't happening in 2013 since it's now 2016, nor is a canceled election in 2013 going to be the next election. Steel1943 (talk) 02:13, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, the target covers precisely the 2013 cancelled elections. – Uanfala (talk) 18:50, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Then the article's title is wrong/misleading since the next election isn't going to be in 2013... Steel1943  (talk) 19:39, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ...And now, I looked at Talk:Next Qatari general election, and am even more confused... Steel1943  (talk) 20:05, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I suggest renaming this to Cancelled Qatari general election, 2013 and having it focus on the cancelled event. The next one can be redlinked until details are provided heading into 2019. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:31, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That suggestion was rejected in an RM on the article's talk page. Number   5  7  15:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It was rejected because it was in a postponed status at the time of the RM which was 2014 and it was questioned whether the article should even exist (possible AFD?). That it has been several years since the postponement with no new election scheduled is just opening the article to WP:CRYSTAL. Renaming to Cancelled Qatari general election, 2013 would keep it as a stub but complete. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep the first one and the last two, since the target does deal with how the 2013 Qatari election was delayed. Delete the others for being implausible searches. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:23, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete indefinitly as implausible typo. If someone's looking for the election they would not be struggling with the spelling of that word, but rather focus on Qatar/Qatari or cancelled/canceled. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:18, 16 November 2016 (UTC) updated 16:38, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep first one and last two per Patar knight, delete the others. The general election scheduled in Qatar for 2013 is still going to happen (it's still the same election) but it was postponed to 2016, then postponed again to 2019; the target is the article which discusses this election and its postponements. We do not have and are not likely to ever have a separate article for this bit of procedural wrangling, it's all part of the same event. "Cancelled" is incorrect but it is a plausible error (whether you think it should be "canceled" or whether you rightly observe that the election was not cancel[l]ed but postponed). Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also note that these could all go to G5 speedy deletion: they're all redirects left from a sockpuppet's undiscussed page moves. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:45, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


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The Mortal Instruments: City of Ashes (2014 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was No consensus, default to keep (non-admin closure). -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:52, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Mortal Instruments: City of Ashes (2014 film)">The Mortal Instruments: City of Ashes (2014 film) → City of Ashes (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Mortal_Instruments:_City_of_Ashes_(2014_film)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-23&end=2016-10-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Mortal_Instruments%3A_City_of_Ashes_%282014_film%29 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

There are no 2014 films by this name; the film project was cancelled. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I've noted the section redirect above. There's relevant information there, as well as some content at The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones that could be duplicated there. There will probably never be anything more to say about the topic, but that is where we'd expect it to go. --BDD (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but it's not a 2014 film. WP:NCFILM dictates that the year represents the year of release, and it was never released. I didn't nominate The Mortal Instruments: City of Ashes (film), which is a more accurate redirect that should catch anyone looking for this information. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:09, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Both of those sections only discuss it as a potential 2014 film, though. If the year were just speculation on the part of an editor, or signs pointing to any other year of release, I think that would be a stronger argument. --BDD (talk) 19:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per BDD, given that there is sourced information available about plans to release the film in 2014. Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. Films get delayed and/or cancelled all the time. P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 21:19, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

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List of chocolate brands
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 * The result of the discussion was  retarget as proposed.      Deryck C. 17:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * List of chocolate brands → Chocolate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_chocolate_brands&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_chocolate_brands stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Vague search term but the current target is not appropriate, I reckon just delete, we have List of bean-to-bar chocolate manufacturers, List of chocolate bar brands etc but all are less general to be retargeted. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:30, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to List of chocolate bar brands.  Searcher is most likely looking for brands that have chocolate, and there's a small section for non-bar brands like M&M's and links to other lists. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:50, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to List of chocolate bar brands with hatnote to List of bean-to-bar chocolate manufacturers just in case -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 00:17, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


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White cake
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 24%23White cake

Christmas Stories
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 28%23Christmas Stories

Christmas theme
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 * The result of the discussion was  delete all.      Deryck C. 17:25, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Christmas theme → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_theme&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Christmas_theme stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Christmas-theme → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas-theme&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Christmas-theme stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Christmas-themed → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas-themed&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Christmas-themed stats])     [ Closure:  ]

More obscure, unlikely, vague, alien, Neelix-esque, Neelixish terms, Christmas-themed what? -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:05, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Can I take a second to point out the irony of using made-up words like "Neelix-esque" and "Neelixish"? The Neelix redirects have largely been taken care of, I don't see why we need to continue the hysteria surrounding his name. It's especially problematic if a non-regular of RfD comes in here, they might think we're speaking an alien language. More to the point, our article on Christmas traditions might be "close enough" for at least one or two of these. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It was I who started this business, and I can't think of a better way to call redirects by this. Perhaps Neelix already has a certain degree of bad reputation attached to his name, I see where you're coming from, but I only mean this lightheartedly. There is already quite a lot of alien tongue spoken at RfD (FORRED, etc). I have had to explain RFOREIGN a couple of times already, I reaffirm I am only using those terms lightheartedly, now I'm beginning to wonder what are we to do should Neelix begin editing again soon. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 20:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Its all in good nature, the last bit I included solely for the wordplay (Neelix is a character in Star Trek, and I linked to Klingon). Cheers, -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, I remember now, nominated the article for deletion and it was closed a couple of days later for it was found out that the nomination had to do with the case of the redirects, I don't know if the nomination was tongue-in-cheek or not, but a valid deletion argument wwwas presented, so maybe just coincidence. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 20:58, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Also common word Christmas that doesn't really need a link. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:55, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:52, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


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Kurisumasu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 05:55, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Kurisumasu → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurisumasu&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kurisumasu stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seongtanjeol → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seongtanjeol&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Seongtanjeol stats])     [ Closure:  ]

No special affinity to these languages. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:55, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to country-specific sections in Christmas traditions. Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:02, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Both simply mean "Christmas" in their various languages (Japanese romanisation and Korean romanisation). I don't think retargeting to a culture-specific section would be helpful. Deryck C. 17:22, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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Islamity
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 24%23Islamity

Húkur
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Húkur">Húkur → Fish hook (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=H%C3%BAkur&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=H%C3%BAkur stats])     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RFOREIGN; this redirect appears to be Icelandic. -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:12, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete There is a place in Iceland by this name. WP:REDLINK. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:33, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's a farm. Otherwise we could have an article on it.  (If you can demonstrate that it is notable, I'll write the article!)  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Keep This has been here for 4 years. It's damaging to destroy URLs for no reason. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Delete per nom. Fish hook has no affinity to Iceland. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Steel1943  (talk) 18:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing. This seems to be a farm in Iceland. Readers might get confused why they got redirected to a fishing article instead -- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:07, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hatcher Pass, Alaska
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 23

Act dischairging the Yule vacance
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 * The result of the discussion was  keep.      Deryck C. 17:23, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Act dischairging the Yule vacance → Christmas in Scotland (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Act_dischairging_the_Yule_vacance&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-06&end=2016-11-04&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Act_dischairging_the_Yule_vacance stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This is a duplicate of Act dischargeing the Yule vacance. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep this is how it is spelled in the old text for the first one in 1640. although the spelling should be noted on the target article. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:06, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:05, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - alternative titles/spellings are absolutely a good use for redirects. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:56, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Keep - this is not a "duplicate", it is the correct original spelling from the actual legislation.Mais oui! (talk) 05:08, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep' per above. Original titles should be kept. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:10, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


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스트래스필드
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 28%23스트래스필드

의식동원
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 26%23의식동원

The first lady of the world
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 23

ㅋㅋㅋ
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget the first to LOL, delete the others. --BDD (talk) 05:51, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="ㅋㅋㅋ">ㅋㅋㅋ → Leet (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%85%8B%E3%85%8B%E3%85%8B&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%E3%85%8B%E3%85%8B%E3%85%8B stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Kekeke → Leet (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kekeke&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kekeke stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Kekekeke → Leet (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kekekeke&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kekekeke stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target. Leet has no special affinity for Korean, either, making this a WP:FORRED case. (As I understand it, "kekeke" is a transliteration of the Korean, and is basically the same as English's "hahaha".) Delete. — Gorthian (talk) 01:50, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * De-leet as above. Si Trew (talk) 01:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, good grief, Si, I wasn't even finished with the nominations yet. Do you want to include the other two as well, now they're listed? — Gorthian (talk) 01:59, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Yeah, delete those too. There are about 150 redirects to Leet, many of them in Leetspeak. I am not sure that we should have all of those, really, but I can't be bothered to argue each individually. Si Trew (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep [Retarget per Travix (below)] "kekeke" is a leet-spek term, and it is Korean, therefore FORRED does not apply. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:55, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Retarget ㅋㅋㅋ to LOL where it is described. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:00, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete ㅋㅋㅋ, Delete all this isn't a dictionary for Korean leet speak. Are we to make redirects for the thousands of emojis people make up? WP:NOTDICT No description of this particular version at the target page either so this doesn't give any useful information. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:01, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tavix. We have information on this at the proposed target. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Let search deal with these. Deryck C. 17:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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Ghair muqallideen
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 26%23Ghair muqallideen

어둠의 왼손
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 * The result of the discussion was  delete.   (Sorry Rich, you seem to be in the minority for this type of titles.)   Deryck C. 17:43, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="어둠의 왼손">어둠의 왼손 → The Left Hand of Darkness (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%EC%96%B4%EB%91%A0%EC%9D%98_%EC%99%BC%EC%86%90&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%EC%96%B4%EB%91%A0%EC%9D%98_%EC%99%BC%EC%86%90 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This book has been translated into dozens of languages. There used to be a list of the translations in the article but, on the way to FA status, the decision was made to delete that section. This is the only foreign-language redirect to the article and, since the book has no special meaning or affinity for Korean, it should be deleted per WP:FORRED. — Gorthian (talk) 01:38, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Si Trew (talk) 01:45, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * Bad practice to relist something closed as no-consensus a few days ago. [Closed as "Trainwreck".]
 * It's a redirect, it has existed for some time, it does no harm. The guideline WP:R says we should not delete.
 * It's useful for someone who has the title, and wants to know more about the book.
 * It's not a "vocabulary translation" like "dog" or "cat".
 * FORRED is an essay - the opinion of some editors, with which other editors disagree.
 * The fact that other translations don't have redirects is irrelevant - an "other stuff doesn't exist" argument by which the whole of Wikipedia would vanish.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:40, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Hi, I'm the one who closed the previous discussion. If you actually read my closing statement, I specifically encouraged an individual discussion of these redirects. Think of it as an unbundled relist. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:49, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, as far as it goes. The waste of time involved in debating obviously non-harmful and non-new redirects is appalling though.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Tavix@undefined} actually seems to be the third listing for this redirect. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 05:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Delete per nom. No affinity to that language. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:04, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Note was in the target at the time of creation. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 05:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Delete not related to Korean. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


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Muslimites
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 26%23Muslimites

Sunniness
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Sunlight. --BDD (talk) 05:43, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Sunniness → Sunni Islam (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunniness&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sunniness stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Weak retarget to Sunlight. According to Wiktionary, sunniness is the property of being sunny. But, sunny is a DAB; -> sunlight, which does not once say anything is sunny. So it might be better off deleted. Si Trew (talk) 01:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete, but this really should go to sunny if anywhere. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:00, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that (were it retargeted)... the DAB at sunny] doesn't really have any entries beyond sunlight that could be referred to as having sunniness. Si Trew (talk) 12:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to sunlight per User:Si Trew. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Retarget per above, but hatnote to current target, since it is a valid term to refer to the quality of being related to Sunni Islam., .  Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget as per the above while noting that I wouldn't object to adding a note as well CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:41, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
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African Negro
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 * The result of the discussion was keep 1-2 and 13-14, but re-refine the section redirect to Black people, and retarget the rest to Negro. I do note that Negro does not use "African Negro", "Negro African", or any of their variants, so I'm tagging them with R without mention. IMO, one-to-one synonyms are one of the best examples of a legitimate . I do recommend some explanation in the article if the term signifies anything beyond "Negro" itself. --BDD (talk) 05:28, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * African Negro → Black people (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=African_Negro&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-05&end=2016-11-03&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=African_Negro stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Several Neelix redirects that I am very unsure of the correct outcome for.


 * 1) Black-African --> Black people
 * 2) Black-Africans --> Black people
 * 3) African-Negro --> Black people
 * 4) African Negro --> Black people
 * 5) African-Negroes --> Black people
 * 6) African Negroes --> Black people
 * 7) African-Negros --> Black people
 * 8) African Negros --> Black people
 * 9) Negro African --> Black people
 * 10) Negro-African --> Black people
 * 11) Negro Africans --> Black people
 * 12) Negro-Africans --> Black people
 * 13) African blacks --> Black people
 * 14) African black --> Black people

Tazerdadog (talk) 07:27, 4 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget the black/African combinations to Black_people where Black African goes. Retarget African/negro combinations to negro, which describes the term . Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:16, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete and variants, not at the target and seems to me a strange word ordering. Delete Black-Africans, African-Negroes and African-Negros as odd hyphenation for plural nouns. Refine the rest to Black people per User:Patar knight, as . Si Trew (talk) 07:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Negro-African, is very, is much a, real term that gets widely used, so it should go to the most relevant page. Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:33, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget per User:Patar knight. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC).


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