Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 22

November 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 22, 2016.

Split Decision (2013 film)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Split Decision (2013 film) → Damian Lee (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Split_Decision_(2013_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It doesn't look like this film was ever made. It's not mentioned at the target article or the subject's IMDB page. BDD (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete at best WP:CRYSTAL and at worst a hoax. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete film was announced, and it is Damian Lee's directing and writing,  but it is not even mentioned at his article so this can be deleted until the film is actually being produced instead of being an announced idea on the back burner. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:02, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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Comandante generale
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 2%23Comandante generale

Wikipedia:CSDG
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Wikipedia:F1

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:18, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * F1 → Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:F1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Criteria for speedy deletion takes precedence over WP:WikiProject Formula 1. This should be retargeted there, because it is the only criteria that breaks from the expected pattern (i.e. X1, X2, X3...). However, there are quite a few existing links to this title (less then 500). — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 07:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong keep well-established, highly used shortcut, retargeting will surely break links. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:10, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Don't make one speedy criterion redirect nonstandard. P p p er y 01:14, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Restore this revision and work from there. The revision is a disambiguation page. Yes, this is the only applicable "letter-number" shortcut which doesn't target its applicable CSD criterion (per nom and Pppery), but it's targeted its current target for a total amount of time of almost 10 years (per Champion). So yes, best just make it a dab. Steel1943  (talk) 14:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This is preferable to keeping it as is. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 14:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If that revision is restored, the See also:Help:Contents should probably be dropped. However, I still oppose the dab page as an unnecessary inconsistency.  P p p er y 14:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom and hatnote back to old target. Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Restore dab page per Steel1943. I'm not convinced that the CSD should take precedence. F1 is widely understood to mean Formula One in many contexts, this would trump obscure CSDs that only mean something to a handful of WP regulars. WP:CSD F1 is good enough. As for the fact that it "breaks the pattern": the "pattern" should instead be designed in a way that does not collide with established unrelated conventions, not the other way around. Place Clichy (talk) 14:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom, after subst:ing all extant transclusions so as to avoid misdirected links, and add a hatnote at WP:CSD similar to our treatment of WP:U2 (which does not target WikiProject U2). It is surely improper to have just one of the CSD criteria treated with an unusual shortcut, and I reject the notion that the standard shortcut for speedy criteria should be revised as we cannot go back and change millions of edit and deletion summaries which refer to the current ones. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:43, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Ivanvector. The parallel with the treatment of WP:U2 is convincing. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think common language should take precedence over wiki-jargon even in shortcut space. You always have WP:CSD which is clearer. Deryck C. 15:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: The nomination is a personal opinion followed by misplaced desire to enforce uniformity in the face of common language usage. Ask a random person on the street what F1 is and they are going to tell you either that it's a motor race or else the button next to the escape key on a computer keyboard. A very small group of editors associate it with a wikibureaucratic function, while WP:F1 is not only the simplest way to represent a large and active Wikiproject, it has also become the de facto shorthand identity for that Wikiproject. Pyrop  e  20:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
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Takashi Kawamura (fiction)

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 * The result of the discussion was keep, and resolve the double redirect. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Takashi Kawamura (fiction) → Takashi Kawamura (The Prince of Tennis) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Takashi_Kawamura_(fiction)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-16&end=2016-11-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Takashi_Kawamura_%28fiction%29 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Renamed this redirect recently to the work he appears in. (fiction) is not a useful disambiguator. He's a fictional character, not fiction in general. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:40, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * To attempt to clarify, Takashi Kawamura is a DAB. This R nomination is blocking a double redirect resolve, because the target as nominated is itself an R, to List_of_The_Prince_of_Tennis_characters. That states to be the result of a merge, and is marked thus as . User:AngusWOOF moved it on 15 Nov 2016 leaving this vestige as the result of the move, but I don't know where the merge discussion is or was. I think thas can safely be deleted as WP:G6 housekeeping. I'll try that on AngusWOOF's behalf. Si Trew (talk) 10:50, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to new section. The (fiction) disambiguator doesn't imply that something is fiction in general, and even if it did, according to our DAB page the new target would be the best one as the only fictional Takashi Kawamura. This redirect gets two page views a day and deleting it only harms our readers. Patar knight - chat/contributions 11:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. Zou're right, User:Patar knight, in that the disambiguator merely needs to be the minimum to disambiguate, and the DABs at Takashi Kawamura andKawamura don't suggest there is any other notable fictional character. Probably "standard form" would be to have "(fictional character)" but it's no big deal for that. Yet, once the RfD tag is removed they will all fall through to go via → List of The Prince of Tennis characters so we need to fixup anyway. I've done most of it in the articles that would be double redirects once this is closed (whichever way it is closed). We've a surname DAB at Kawamura that IW'd frenziedly to JA;WP so I've changed the IW links to plain  per WP:DABLINK. I've not checked whether we have it in the Hiragani or Katakana yet, User:Siuenti is usually the expert on those ones if we do. Si Trew (talk) 11:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've done all the double redirects. A bot should have fixed them, but the Rfd notice blocked that, I imagine, since then they're not redirects. The only links remaining are in editor space, not reader space. User:Patar knight declined my CSD with the comment "let RfD handle it". Fair enough, I still say delete as this is just housekeeping, now. Si Trew (talk) 11:32, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If there's a way to rename it to (fictional character) instead of (fiction) that would be great too. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 12:06, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think an admin can do a move without leaving a redirect, User:AngusWOOF. Is that right, User:Patar knight? Si Trew (talk) 12:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. In addition, editors who have the WP:Page mover permission can also do a move without redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I still feel that given this is the only thing by this name "in fiction", the redirect is OK. Removing any links to this don't solve the problem of possibly breaking external links, which is high given this is a character from a popular anime. I fully support moving it to have (fictional character) disambiguator, but think having both redirects is better, given pageviews. Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:17, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
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Wind.ca
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Globalive Wireless
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Dream Theater Train of Thought

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Dream Theater Train of Thought → Train of Thought (Dream Theater album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dream_Theater_Train_of_Thought&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete the redirect. It serves no cause, it is completely useless and none of their other album pages have such redirects. Antti29 (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not one of the cases where the album title can include the name of the artist. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:29, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
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Music of Ghost in the Shell

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Music of Ghost in the Shell → Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Music_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Ghost in the shell ost → Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ghost_in_the_shell_ost&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Music of ghost in the Shell → Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Music_of_ghost_in_the_Shell&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Talk:Music of Ghost in the Shell → Talk:Music of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Music_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Original Ghost in the Shell (1995) has own music, OST and composer. 1st redirect can/must be deleted or re-redirected to Ghost in the Shell (1995 film) ; 2nd one can/must be deleted or re-redirected to Ghost in the Shell (1995 film) ; 3rd one can be deleted - redirect use strange mix of lower/upper case letters (1st letter in Shell must be lowercased or 1st letter ghost must be uppercased). Alex Spade (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC) Updated per Xezbeth. Alex Spade (talk) 18:25, 25 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, too vague. Redirecting to the original film would have the same issue, especially with the live-action film being another potential target. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 08:15, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah. How can I can forget about new film? Delete all three redirs. Alex Spade (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:25, 25 November 2016
 * Delete per nom. Vague. There's already a dedicated article for Music of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex but not a music article for the entire franchise. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Create page at first link and redirect others to it. Even if it's just a sentence and then links pointing readers to the various proposed target, it would serve readers better than deletion, since the first term gets more than a hit a day. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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