Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 1

October 1
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 1, 2016.

Nippon Ishin no Kai

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 * The result of the discussion was wrong forum; this is a move request., to move Initiatives from Osaka, please start the discussion at Talk:Initiatives from Osaka using the instructions listed at Requested moves. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Nippon Ishin no Kai → Japan Restoration Party (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nippon_Ishin_no_Kai&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nippon_Ishin_no_Kai stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Making way for pagemove from Initiatives from Osaka Tenaqzn&#39;f Fbvyrq Gubat (talk) 09:29, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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The Home of Fandom

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. I did come close to weighting Tavix's argument greater, since this certainly was a redirect from a slogan. But that template says it's for "a slogan (or motto) to an article or section of an article about the slogan", which was not the case. Not for now, at least. --BDD (talk) 18:28, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The Home of Fandom → Wikia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Home_of_Fandom&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Home_of_Fandom stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I believe this is most likely a very implausible redirect. This redirect's meaning is not explained in the article either. About.com has one brief mention in an article, no other sources. 80.221.159.67 (talk) 05:30, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - We don't have idle catchphrases and the like as redirects. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:11, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete not a proper title or nickname for Wikia. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:06, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as an R from slogan. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:26, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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Pg up

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 * The result of the discussion was snow keep (non-admin closure) P p p er y 16:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Pg up → Page Up and Page Down keys (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pg_up&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pg_up stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Pg dn → Page Up and Page Down keys (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pg_dn&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pg_dn stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete redirect as implausible typo? PgUp exists. Note that the redirect creator has a history of creating malicious redirects. 80.221.159.67 (talk) 05:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. These redirects aren't malicious, and they are vaguely plausible as misspellings. Uanfala (talk) 07:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Keyboards can have similar text, ( or perhaps PgUp and PgDn) so the redirects are useful. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:16, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Uanfala. Sony Vaio laptops actually have "Pg Up" and "Pg Dn" (with a space, rather than PgUp/PgDn) on the key label, so this doesn't strike me as especially implausible. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 09:37, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep plausible synonyms/ abbreviations -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:52, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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Penny (Inspector Gadget)

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Inspector Gadget (franchise). Though the redirect was not tagged with the discussion notification until a couple days after the nomination, the consensus is unanimous and seems uncontroversial, so I feel comfortable closing the discussion at this time. See also: User talk:Airplaneman. (non-admin closure) —  Godsy (TALK CONT ) 05:00, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Penny (Inspector Gadget) → Inspector Gadget (1983 TV series) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Penny_(Inspector_Gadget)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Penny_%28Inspector_Gadget%29 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think redirecting this name to a single TV series is appropriate. In addition to being the heroine of both Gadget & the Gadgetinis and Inspector Gadget (2015 TV series) which followed it, she also appears in Inspector Gadget (film). If this has to be redirected anywhere it should probably be to Inspector Gadget (franchise) which is an overview of all of these things. What I think would be useful though is restoring the 7 August 2010 version. On 9 August 2010 it was redirected but I can't find evidence this action was discussed beforehand with the community. It had been tagged with requests for cleanup and source citation. Alternatively, I could create a new article from scratch at Penny Ruth and only add what reliable sources say. As the heroine of 3 TV series she seems like a notable character deserving of an article about her. Ranze (talk) 03:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Target contains information regarding the character. The redirect can be overwritten by an article if there is enough information present to do so. Steel1943  (talk) 04:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Inspector Gadget (franchise). (Not sure how I missed that suggestion in the nomination statement.) Steel1943  (talk) 17:42, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * just to clarify, I'm all for keeping the article, I'm not nominating to delete it, just wondering if this is still the best place to point it. While the 1983 series (86 episodes) is longer than the 2001 one (52 episodes) 2015 one (26 eps) combined (78 episodes) her entry on the "franchise" page would seem the most appropriate since Penny (Inspector Gadget) could at least refer to the 2015 one. I suppose Penny (Gadget and the Gadgetinis) could direct to the 2001 series' character section. Something like Penny (Inspector Gadget (2015 TV series)) would not be desirable but if we have a redirect serving as an anchor toward her younger 1983 version then there should also be an anchor for categories which pertain to her 2015 version. Notable differences exist between them. The older version is explicitly an agent with HQ for example (level 4 or 5 clearance if I recall) while her younger version wasn't actually an agent, she just tagged along and solved mysteries without Gadget/Quimby noticing. The older version's considered part of Gadget's "team" in spite of him still getting undue credit. Anyway I'm in the process of trying to find some sources to build an article. I'll propose them on Talk:Penny (Inspector Gadget) in case anyone feels they are adequate to restore the article. I'd have done that now but I'm worried that restoring an article that was changed into a redirect could violate a topic ban I'm under which prevents me from editing redirects. Ranze (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to franchise section. She appears in more than just the 1983 TV series. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:03, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: The nominated redirect was not tagged for discussion until I tagged the redirect a few minutes ago. Steel1943  (talk) 19:54, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I also support retargeting over specifically Inspector Gadget (franchise) given that the character plays a role in the original show, the well-known Matthew Broderick film, and other media rather than just one program specifically. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:48, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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First child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. I find the delete votes, which do have a slight numerical majority, to be stronger for a few reasons. First, the nominator's initial argument is quite strong, demonstrating that the redirects were recentist and ambiguous. Second, that a strong consensus at AfD deleted such a term, and did not redirect it. Third is Godsy's argument, that there isn't a clear place to point such terms (AfD having already rejected a similar one as disambiguation).


 * StAnselm is correct that redirects need not be entirely unambiguous, but there was no discussion of whether the current royal babies would qualify as primary topic. If they did, would we make pages like First child of the Duke of Duchess of Cambridge (disambiguation)? Even if that title doesn't immediately strike you as absurd, it's contrary to the aforementioned AfD. Finally, I do note that the nominator received a checkuserblock-account. Had this been noticed quickly, before discussion had began, it would not have been amiss to close the discussion. As such, throwing out the completed discussion on those grounds seems to me deeply unfair to the good-faith editors who participated in it. --BDD (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


 * First child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge → Prince George of Cambridge (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=First_child_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=First_child_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Son of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge → Prince George of Cambridge (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Son_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Son_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Second child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge → Princess Charlotte of Cambridge (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_child_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Second_child_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge → Princess Charlotte of Cambridge (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daughter_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Daughter_of_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete Couldn't these terms apply to other people?

Example: Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge and Princess Augusta of Hesse-Kassel were once the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. They had three kids: Prince George, Duke of Cambridge, Princess Augusta of Cambridge, and Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge. BigGuy88 (talk) 01:53, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep all. There is no inherent requirements for redirects to be unambiguous. 99.99% of searches for this term now would be the present-day royals, not the historical personages. StAnselm (talk) 04:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * keep all of them still useful for those that can't remember the name. When there is a new Duke of Cambridge, then the redirects can be updated. Graeme Bartlett (talk)
 * Delete. These redirects are leftover from before the children were named and there was no other convenient way to name the articles on the children. If readers can't remember the name, they only have to do a google search for 'son of the duke of cambridge' to be instantly informed. DrKay (talk) 10:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per DrKay. These ambiguous redirects have outlived their usefulness. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Didn't you check the page views? Son of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge is still getting one hit a day. StAnselm (talk) 18:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per Articles for deletion/Child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (2nd nomination). -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:55, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete multiple targets, and it's very possible the children may become dukes and duchesses themselves. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:05, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment The nominator of this redirect was blocked by (who also reverted the addition of the RfD tags) as checkuserblock-account.   P p p er y 19:53, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete leftover redirects. Don't serve much of a purpose anymore.  TonyBallioni (talk) 21:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Still helpful for those who don't know the name.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 08:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all - WP:RFD. Harmless, possibly helpful, why make readers carry out an unnecessary search, no policy-compliant reason to delete. Just Chilling (talk) 03:13, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all. People are extremely unlikely to be searching for historic figure with this, and instead mean the current children. Page views still show use. Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:40, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all - these will go out of date, and there is no system in place to ensure they're updated. There is generally a good solution when it comes to officeholders and for some other situations of this nature, but there isn't in this case as the terms aren't established positions. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 14:14, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
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Reconstitution

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:21, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Reconstitution → Reconstruction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reconstitution&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Reconstitution stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Reconstitutions → Reconstruction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reconstitutions&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Reconstitutions stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Reconstitute → Reconstruction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reconstitute&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Reconstitute stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Reconstitutes → Reconstruction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reconstitutes&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Reconstitutes stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not sure what the correct target is for this search, but it's definitely not where it's pointed now. When I hear reconstitution, I think fruit juice, not civil war Tazerdadog (talk) 00:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Reconstituting → Reconstruction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reconstituting&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-01&end=2016-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Reconstituting stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * I'm not sure either, but I'm wondering if it isn't best to delete: there's nothing relevant at the current target; redirecting to wiktionary would normally work in such cases, but there are plenty of places on wikipedia that have content relevant to various technical meanings of the word and these are better reached using the search results. Putting them on a disambiguation page probably wouldn't work as the ones I've seen so far (, etc.) have apparently been partial title matches. Uanfala (talk) 07:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: All of these redirects may be Db-x1 eligible. Steel1943  (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * They are eligible, but I doubt very much we are going to see a SNOW Delete. There has to be a good target, and if there is not, I might just make the article. Tazerdadog (talk) 18:28, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all of them: the best we could do would be partial title matches, and that's what the search engine is for. Si Trew (talk) 07:12, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all - I'm not confident about this, but I have to say that I'd rather people be able to just search. You know? We don't have a particularly solid target for any of them that I can see. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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