Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 11

October 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 11, 2016.

Human factors in Aviation safety

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. I've also followed Rich Farmbrough's suggestion. --BDD (talk) 21:10, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Human factors in Aviation safety → Aviation safety (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_factors_in_Aviation_safety&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Human_factors_in_Aviation_safety stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirect, WP:LOWERCASE Dawnseeker2000  14:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC) Keep and also create "Human factors in aviation safety" - tag with R with possibilities. Remove tag from Human factors in Aviation safety, and re-tag. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:34, 11 October 2016 (UTC).
 * Keep and rename to "Human factors in aviation safety" - sorry I didn't notice the stray capital. The target section is linked from pilot error and I created the redirect as suggested in MOS:LINK2SECT. It is an R with possibilities as I believe the topic is sufficiently notable to have its own article. Burninthruthesky (talk) 14:53, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. I added the (existing) section link to the nom. I've added for now, without prejudice to this discussion. Si Trew (talk) 05:00, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rich Farmbrough. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:09, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I also support the above proposal. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:41, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as plausible term variant -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Roman eating and drinking

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Roman food. --BDD (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Roman eating and drinking → Ancient Roman cuisine (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roman_eating_and_drinking&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Roman_eating_and_drinking stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Seems like a very unlikely search. Iazyges  Consermonor   Opus meum  11:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep harmless. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:11, 11 October 2016 (UTC).


 * But reatrget to Roman food as below. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC).


 * Delete as vague, could equally refer to Food and dining in the Roman Empire. I see no need for a disambiguation page. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:06, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Champion; WP:XY. Each hatnotes the other so I agree there's no need to DAB. It could also, less likely, mean Category:Restaurants in Rome (does anyone use "Roman" to mean things from present-day Rome?) Si Trew (talk) 05:04, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree that there's unhelpful ambiguity. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:24, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. In addition to Ancient Roman cuisine (which doesn't have a hatnote) and Food and dining in the Roman Empire, I also think Roman cuisine is a plausible target. As a sidenote, Roman food is a redirect that targets Ancient Roman cuisine. If we create a DAB page, then we may also want to retarget Roman food to the new DAB. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:15, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate at Roman food and retarget this there per Notecardforfree. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Terrorists

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Template:Terrorists → Template:Fugitives wanted by India (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Terrorists&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3ATerrorists stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Generic and non-specific name. It currently redirects to a template on Indian fugitives as a result of a move.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:29, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Having looked at Category:Terrorism templates. I have come to the conclusion that no plausible target can be found for this redirect for all the templates in that category are also as specific as the current target. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Template:Terrorism, which is the best fit. That template also has a sections titled "Terrorist groups" and "Adherents" which would seem to be what people using this would be trying to find. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:46, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That would not make sense. The current target is a navbox, and your proposed target is a sidebar. Si Trew (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * AFAIK there's nothing that prevents redirects that formerly targeted navboxes to be retargeted towards sidebars. Both are templates, and my proposed target would be the best fit for a redirect of this name. Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:21, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. This was taken to CSD by User:Smsarmad on 10 October with the rationale "This title is a POV. This template was serving the purpose of grouping together a set of articles just like a category does and we previously had a discussion about a category with the same title that was deleted on similar grounds. So it can be considered a CSD#G4 case" (with ) but was declined by User:Pppery with the comment "Consider RfD - redirects do not have to have neutral titles and the rest of your rationale applies to the target of this redirect, rather than the redirect itself".
 * (Speedily) delete. It's a by User:Smsarmad and essentially is WP:G6 housekeeping; which slightly complicates (not much) its deletion: we can just add links to the relevant discussions at the talk page of the target to preserve attribution etc; such as the  from this discussion when it closes. The current target was only created on 9 October and moved very shortly thereafter, so it's extremely unlikely we'd break any external links.
 * I suppose it is aLSO WP:RFD "novel or very obscure synonym". Si Trew (talk) 05:46, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment WP:IARring, I've been WP:BOLD and "fixed" theten WP:NOTBROKEN transclusions of the redirect. Since the navbox now at target was onlz created on the 9th, and moved very shortly afterwards, we've no need for this vestige. We can put the attribution, etc on the target's talk page. I've updated the   and   fields in the target. All this should really have been done as part of the page move, but never mind. Currently my "what links here" doesn't seem to have updated yet (the external tool shows 0 transclusions of the redirect).  Si Trew (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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A Cat
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 19%23A Cat

Hopper 7
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 18%23Hopper 7

You-To-Be

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * You-To-Be → YouTube (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=You-To-Be&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=You-To-Be stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Nonsense. SST flyer  09:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia, not plausible. (Interesting fact:If you search this on Google, it will correct you to search for YouTube, so I assume Google is automatically fetching these suggestions from Wikipedia redirects, still, that further clarifies my vote, considering such redirects will do harm to external search engines.) - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete "you-to-be" might be a joke pronunciation of YouTube, if this is documented I might reconsider. Otherwise I think it's a bad target - "you to be" has plenty of meaning of its own. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:38, 11 October 2016 (UTC).


 * Comment We've also got, , , pointing to the same target. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 02:03, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This looks like a non-notable joke term and nothing more. It's not really helpful as a redirect. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Microsoft China
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 18%23Microsoft China

UK Driving Licence codes

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 * The result of the discussion was keep, and change the section to #Driving license codes. --BDD (talk) 21:03, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * UK Driving Licence codes → Driving licence in the United Kingdom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UK_Driving_Licence_codes&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=UK_Driving_Licence_codes stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * UK Driving License Codes → Driving licence in the United Kingdom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UK_Driving_License_Codes&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=UK_Driving_License_Codes stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete all. These could be refined to section "#Driving licence categories", but that lists categories, not codes. Doesn't look like anyone searches this way. WP:RFD nonsense without links to the given section. Neither has any internal links, no hits in the last 90 days for "license", one or two a day at most for "licence". (not nominated) is a and should be kept, but there's no need for these variations and since they are both incorrect names and one is also incorrectly spelled, I think the sum of all the individually minor problems with these pushes them into "delete" territory. Si Trew (talk) 09:13, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: the table at Driving_licence_in_the_United_Kingdom was created as UK driving licence codes in 2006 and kept that title until merged into the main article in 2008, so it was a reasonable title to a group of editors for some time, give or take variant capitalisation (and license/ce). Pam  D  16:51, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: these are neither new nor harmful. The codes are listed too "B1" etc... All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:01, 11 October 2016 (UTC).


 * The table header says "Categories". The words "code" and "codes" are absent from the article except once, "codes", in an external link. It's harmful to have WP:RFD confusing redirects when there are no "codes" at the target. They could just as sensibly be retargeted to The Highway Code, so these are a bit WP:XY, too. Si Trew (talk) 08:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Change my mind, Keep and retarget to Driving_licence_in_the_United_Kingdom. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:06, 14 October 2016 (UTC).


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Full UK Bike

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:54, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Full UK Bike → Driving licence in the United Kingdom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Full_UK_Bike&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Full_UK_Bike stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Delete. Not at target, WP:RFD confusing. Stats are 0 in 90 days, no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 09:10, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete While this phrase usually refers to a license, it can refer to a test. In both cases it is almost always used adjectivally and followed by the noun. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC).


 * Delete - I also don't think that this is of use to anyone. We should be rid of it. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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HTTP user agent

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget both to User agent. JohnCD (talk) 18:07, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * HTTP user agent → Web browser (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HTTP_user_agent&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=HTTP_user_agent stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * HTTP USER AGENT → User agent (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HTTP_USER_AGENT&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=HTTP_USER_AGENT stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to User agent. "User agent" is deliberately defined to be broader than "Web browser": the term encompasses software acting as, er, agents on behalf of an end user, such as web crawlers. The all-caps variant has a better target and seems to be preferred by my drop-down search if I use mixed case ("HTTP User Agent" or "HTTP User agent"). Si Trew (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Si Trew, but to section #Use in HTTP.  I think you could have just done this, no RfD needed.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:21, 11 October 2016 (UTC).


 * Yep, the would be better (for both). Perhaps I could have just done it, but it rather fell out of another RfD which I meant to crossref, I have forgotten which now. Si Trew (talk) 08:19, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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Woolwich Boys

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 * The result of the discussion was move Woolwich Boys (gang) over this. JohnCD (talk) 18:01, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Woolwich Boys → Murder of Lee Rigby (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Woolwich_Boys&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-11&end=2016-10-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Woolwich_Boys stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I was alerted to this due to a recent edit which removed the redirect (but also blanked the page itself). It is true however that the target article has no mention of this supposed gang. Should this be deleted or is there a better target available? Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Damn, I RFDed too fast. Looks like there is a target Woolwich Boys (gang). --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Move Woolwich Boys (gang) over this, and rcat the resulting R as an . Making User:Kleon3 (who blanked the page) aware of this discussion (by mentioning here). Si Trew (talk) 07:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Again this can just be done, I think. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:09, 11 October 2016 (UTC).


 * Not by me it can't, because a non-admin can't move a page over another that has history. Anyway, what's the hurry? Si Trew (talk) 08:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Move per SiTrew -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:48, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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