Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 13

October 13
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 13, 2016.

Erdogan fried rice cake

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:30, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Erdogan fried rice cake → Ear-hole fried cake (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erdogan_fried_rice_cake&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Erdogan_fried_rice_cake stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This apparantly was created as a result of machine translation from Chinese. But I still don't get it. Erdogan is zh:埃尔多安. It was subsequently moved. I don't get it, even if the creator had some sort of political motif, it doesn't make sense. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 22:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete it's a half-assed translation job. Ěrduǒ is Chinese pinyin for ear. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:17, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "耳朵干" appears to be Chinese internet slang for Erdogan. I've never heard of that until just then though. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:24, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, searching for 耳朵干 gives me a bunch of pink bunny hats, nothing even close to the food. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:34, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Here is a specific example . Just searching for 耳朵干 alone these reveal pages about dry ear symptoms, because 干 means dry and 耳朵 ear. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:36, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well there's always dried Pig's ear (food). If you order 耳朵干 in China you'd probably get that instead of the cake. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:09, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


 * 'Delete I don't know Chinese at all. were I searching for Erdogan I doubt I would want to find an article about cake. I don't know any Chinese, so as an ignorant but intelligent reader I would be WP:SURPRISEd it goes this way. I seem to remember we had a discussion recently about whether it was the primary topic for Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, but anyway, someone looking for a Recep recipe is unlikely to find it at this target. I'll try to find the Erdogan discussion and add here. Si Trew (talk) 02:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To continue. It doesn't matter whether Erdogan is the primary redirect to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Since I know absolutely nothing about Chinese, I am not really capable to decide whether this is a good or bad translation: that puts me in the same position as about 99.99% of our English-speaking readership. I note the pinyin is as Ěrduǒyǎn zhà gāo, which is red, as is Erdoyan zha gao without the diacritics. This is just a leap too far. I think I wlll PROD the article, then it all falls out. The article is a stub well-sourced but a one-sentence stub nonetheless. In English, we sould say "Number 68 please, with special flied lice." Si Trew (talk) 02:24, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It has previously been prodded and I spotted it at PNT and thus rewrote it from a stub on zhwiki. AfD it if you want to. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 02:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I see that now but still, I shall prod it again. Yeah, PROD is probably the wrong forum, now. The initial PROD was by User:Jac16888, who is a stalwart over at WP:PNT. That probably means it came up at PNT and I would not know that because I only look at articles I could possibly translate, at PNT, not Chinese ones. Leave my PROD as it stands and let's discuss it there, because it's not really the Rs that are the problem but the article, Champ. I do realise in good faith you translated it, but really there is nothing to translate. Ear-ole is cockney for an earhole by the way, but more generally means to be nagged, "Giving me the ear-ole". Si Trew (talk) 02:34, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * My prod was because the original version was badly translated to the point it was essentially nonsense but it has since been rewritten-- Jac 16888 Talk 15:49, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's far enough away from Erduoyan to be WP:RTYPO Erdo and Erduo is close enough, but mixing yan and gan outside of the OCR reader doesn't make sense. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. I've improved the lede of the article, with User:Champion's help, from a slightly fuller version at French Wikipedia. Champ is right so essentially we rescued the article. I am still not sure of the redirect: In french in the lede it says Erdoyan. Champ is good at Chinese stuff, but User:Lenticel may have a second opinion, I think. Si Trew (talk) 04:51, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:52, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing at best. The Champ already showed that it's confusing even in the Chinese language -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Trump tape controvery

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Trump tape controvery → Donald Trump and Billy Bush recording controversy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_tape_controvery&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Trump_tape_controvery stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. The result of a misspelled move. Unlikely to fill any purpose. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Do we really need a redirect for every typo of controversy? AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff )  01:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:R3 shouldn't have the limitation on not allowing redirects from moves. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:29, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. You don't need R3, you just need WP:NOTNEWS. Anyway, WP:RFD covers it "novel or obscure synonym". Pretty novel, considering it was only created three days ago by user:Ugly Ketchup and has no hits, no history. This could have gone straight to CSD, but never mind, let's have the WP:SNOW discussion if we must. Si Trew (talk) 11:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Misspelled redirect. Lucimundatene89 (talk) 03:50, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * delete per above --- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Comparison of C

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Comparison of C → Comparison of C Sharp and Java (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_C&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Comparison_of_C stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:XY. For technical reasons, typing "Comparison of C#..." redirects here, although it could refer to any possible comparison with either C or C sharp, of which there are more than one and it is impossible to choose which one to redirect two. P p p er y 19:22, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This particular redirect has never been discussed at RFD, but we've had a similar discussion a couple months ago at Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 4. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:13, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:RFD nonsense. This is neither a comparison of C (programming language) to Java (programming language) nor to C# or anything else. This is like saying "Comparison of Banana". To what is the comparison being made? Totally stupid redirect, the technical reasons are irrelevant, this is stupid. Nobody is going to want a "comparison of C" to ..... what.... perhaps to F? Si Trew (talk) 04:59, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * C# and Java are closely related, C (programming language) is only related by birth. A comparison of C to C# makes sense. Anyway that is irrelevant. Si Trew (talk) 05:04, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - This is totally worthless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:52, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * delete as a useless redirect. "C" is too vague and it doesn't point to what this "C" is being comparing to -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete "C" is not "C#" and this redirect is potentially very confusing. Meters (talk) 23:48, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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The Aardvarks (Michigan band)

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:19, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The Aardvarks (Michigan band) → The Aardvarks (band) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Aardvarks_(Michigan_band)&action=history history] · [//http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&pages=The_Aardvarks_(Michigan_band) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

The Aardvarks (Michigan band) has one redirect. Normakku (talk) 16:50, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Unless there are other notable bands or ensembles titled "and the Aardvarks", this isn't necessary. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Striking out vote. At this point, I don't see any of the other Aardvark bands being notable. Searches bring up a bunch of local bands from all sorts of areas. However, there's Aardvark Jazz Orchestra (based in Boston) which is mentioned informally in a related headline as the Aardvarks, . So (band) can still be primary topic, and (Michigan band) be redirected there. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:25, 20 October 2016 (UTC) 19:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep as R from unnecessary disambiguation. It doesn't interfere with searches, since no other pages being with "The Aardvarks", and the target page is unlikely to be moved, so it is on balance helpful and isn't WP:COSTLY. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Clearly no rationale for deletion was mentioned. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:47, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * AngusWOOF has provided one. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 17:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as a pretty straight-forward case of R from unnecessary disambiguation. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
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Bangladesh Agricultural Research Council

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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G7. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:42, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Bangladesh Agricultural Research Council → Bangladesh Agricultural Research Institute (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh_Agricultural_Research_Council&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bangladesh_Agricultural_Research_Council stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not the same thing Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't remember why I created this redirect. But, if it's wrong, it should be deleted.—Ketil Trout (&lt;&gt;&lt;!) 18:33, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete G7: Author requests deletion. See my comments below.—Ketil Trout (&lt;&gt;&lt;!) 20:04, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per creator request. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage article creation. I just edited Bangladesh Agricultural Research Institute to change an external link from "Bangladesh Agricultural Research Council" to "Bangladesh Agricultural Research Institute". That had been there since the article was created; no wonder Ketil Trout got the idea they were the same. — Gorthian (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, yeah, that's a great find. Presumably that's the reason I made the link in the first place.  Looking at the links, BARI and BARC are clearly not the same thing.  This redirect can probably be speedied.  Thanks for the catch, Vinegarymass911, and the investigation, Gorthian.—Ketil Trout (&lt;&gt;&lt;!) 20:04, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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Apple pen
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 22

Raffaele Sollecito
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Murder of Meredith Kercher. JohnCD (talk) 17:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Raffaele Sollecito → Amanda Knox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raffaele_Sollecito&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Raffaele_Sollecito stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Retargetted without discussion from Murder of Meredith Kercher. SST flyer  10:58, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, put it back. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:38, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. So, Raffaele murdered someone, who doesn't sometimes commit a nice little murder when nobody is looking, we've all done it. But we don't have any bio on him. We don't have anything on him except he was an accomplice in a murder once. That's not how WP orks, we'd expect a bio. Delete it because apart from the fact he was an accomplice to murder we know nothing about him. The search engine can take care of the rest. Si Trew (talk) 20:15, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the murder case. He was not publicly known prior to the event, and was not family related that he should be tied to Knox's article. The other suspects and related people have bios on that page. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:36, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to murder case, where there looks like there is more coverage. Links to current target exist at the previous target anyway. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
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Amanda Knox s
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Amanda Knox s → Amanda Knox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amanda_Knox_s&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Amanda_Knox_s stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Nonsense. SST flyer  10:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This isn't useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Implausible typo. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:36, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
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St. Hans
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 21%23St. Hans

John in Islam
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 25%23John in Islam

Yum Chums
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Yum Chums → McDonald's (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yum_Chums&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Yum_Chums stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Term is not mentioned at target. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:15, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete or Redirect to Parmalat as they have a yogurt brand called Yum Chums.  McDonalds did have a campaign in the UK for YumChums as shown in the wikia.  They could possibly be redirected to McDonaldland but the yogurt brand is still active and has lasted longer.  Problem is that neither is mentioned in the article, although if it were it would be a bit of WP:NOTCATALOG. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:51, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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Mcmichigan.com
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Mcmichigan.com → McDonald's (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mcmichigan.com&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mcmichigan.com stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Website not mentioned in target. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable website that is just the Michigan regional website for McDonalds. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:53, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Non-notable website. Si Trew (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Rostiks
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Rostiks → KFC (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rostiks&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rostiks stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:10, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I am pretty bloody sure Hungarian KFC uses that. We don't go there much, it's a treat for us, cos it's bloody pricey (bizarrely it is more pricey than a proper restaurant, but "treats" are like that aren't they). I think they are called this in French as well. Same as above, I will check. Si Trew (talk) 13:02, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. A quick search confirms it. Francises in Romania, Armenia, and Hungary, among others, go under the name "Rostix KFC". We do not have Rostix KFC and I am not sure we could say much if we did, beyond it is a brand name and franchise. Thus Delete, no use to an English-speaking audience, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Not at target,, WP:RFD confusing. Si Trew (talk) 13:08, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This doesn't seem to be helpful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to KFC and add a statement about how KFC merged with Rostik's, which had 164 stores at the time of the merge. Otherwise wait until KFC adds a section in Europe about merging Rostik's as per this article.     <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. I noticed above I wrote "Rostix KFC" letter X not "Rostiks KFC". Now I am wondering which term I searched for, even though AngusWOOF has essentially confirmed what I said. Rostix is red so I probably for some reason substituted "x" for "ks" but that is not something I would usually do, so I am doubting myself now. Perhaps I was hypercorrecting, because of the apostrophe S wouldn't be used that way in Hungarian native words (it would be Rostiki), or something like that, as the possessive noun but frequently is found on loanwords, usually without the apostrophe.(Even in English we're losing the apostrophe, e.g Sainsburys, Lloyds Bank have officially dropped the apostrophe). Si Trew (talk) 00:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * If the redirect stays, then the apostrophe and non-apostrophe versions can both be redirected to the same place. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:50, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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Kitchen fresh chicken
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Kitchen fresh chicken → KFC (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kitchen_fresh_chicken&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kitchen_fresh_chicken stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Obscure synonym, term not mentioned in target. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:08, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ohhh that's tricky, Champ. By my own lights Kentucky Fried Chicken rebranded to KFC not to lose the "chicken" but the "fried". Yet they never said so (and I have been on the hunt for an RS for that for years, in my fiing cabinet under K with a family bucket underneath). If you look in your Yellow Pages zou will find many impostors, in the genteel town of Letchworth where I lived there was a Southern Fried Chicken for example, which just sails past the common law of passing off. But certainly KFC was never known by the name Kitchen Fresh; other non-notable companies have been. Delete, WP:RFD: confusing, not at target. Si Trew (talk) 13:33, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete not a slang or acronym guide. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 *  Have you seen this? I just checked and Obama Fried Chicken is red, so is Clinton Friend Chicken, McDonald Trump's Donut Trump etc. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 21:59, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen that, no, but it doesn't entirely surprise me. I heard somewhere, I think this was on the BBC News Channel's "Click" programme, that in China, somewhere, they have built an entirely fake Apple Store to sell fake Apple Computer products. I think it was in Szenzen or soemwhere, sorry they hadn't the good transliteration of where it was. It doesn't surprise me with the rather weak enforcement of copyright law etc in China, one thing the "West" is rather grumbly about. (And why do we Europeans call ourselves the "West" when apart from the majority of the UK, Ireland, and a bit of Portugal, most of us are "East" of the greenwich meridian? I mean, we the British put the bloody line there, you'd think we;d afterwards have got it right what to call ourselves) There was an interesting one the other day because in Romanian the word for "eastern" is "orienti" (I think I have the declension correct there), but "oriented" rarely means "turned to the east" nowadays in English, and one cannot be "disoccidented" if one is knocked off a westward course. I am annoyed also because Richard Osman on Pointless said that "Keleti" is Hungarian for "East" (the clue was Keleti pályaudvar). It's not, it's "Eastern". The -i tends to indicate the posessive noun or means kind "of", so "of the east", "Eastern". Hey-ho. Rambling again. Si Trew (talk) 00:15, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I know, we call this shanzhai, in case you didn't know, I have heard about the fake Apple Stores (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/inside-fake-chinese-apple-store-shenzen-kunming-2015-9?r=UK&IR=T) and if I recall correctly, one of them was called the "Apple Stoer" and there were also products such as the "pPhone" or "gPhone i5" etc. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 00:23, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * hahaha. I would like to know how a Chinese pronounces "Kentucky Fried Chicken". The L-R confusion is not just a stereotype, it does exist. I have the same in Hungarian because to me "O" is just "O" and not "o" with one accent, "O" with an umlaut, "O" with two accents, "O" with a tilde, all of which are distinct sounds in Hungarian and are listed separetly in dictionaries. To me they just sound like "O", and I am led to belive again, Japanese and Chines it's not because they can't say it, but because they can't hear it. From my personal experience I would agree with that, I can write in Hungarian not too badly but sometimes I can't hear it well. I am not deaf, I just don't hear the distinction. But then I come from where it is usuall to have dropped aitches and glottal stops on Ts so when I say "hotel" it is something nearer to, "oh (stop) well", because in English we tend to stop a lot ratther than say French where it is more glissando. English is a really ugly language, Si Trew (talk) 13:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * They have KFC in China so they don't need to sound out the original name. You can google image that. Anyway, here's an article from Time magazine that suggests they tried "Kitchen Fresh Chicken" briefly but it didn't stick. If you want to write that into the history then the redirect could be reconsidered.  <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I found a brief mention from 2004 of KFC trying out the phrase "kitchen fresh chicken" in ads. Nothing else, and it does not confirm that KFC was intentionally attempting to redefine the meaning of the letters in "KFC" http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ad_report_card/2004/05/alphabet_soup.html Meters (talk) 23:42, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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Poulet Frit Kentucky
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 * The result of the discussion was delete'. JohnCD (talk) 17:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Poulet Frit Kentucky → KFC (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poulet_Frit_Kentucky&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Poulet_Frit_Kentucky stats])     [ Closure:  ]

No affinity for French. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll check this. You're probalbly right but McDonalds name the same things in diffent markets. Over here in Hungary we have the "Chicken McBurger" but "Csirke McNuggets", (Csirke being Hungaian for Chicken). If you want to do a double take when you think you know a language, walk ino McDonald's, or as I like to call it "a little local family-owned scottish restaurant". Si Trew (talk) 12:27, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well that was a bollox comment cos we're discussing KFC, but I let it stand because the same reasoning just applies, just the particulars are bollox. Hmmm on my csirke frissen Kentucky... the ingredients... yep.. they are definitely mostly bollox. Si Trew (talk) 12:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not at target, no particular affinity to French. The French for KFC is, or rather isn't, fr:KFC. It isn't because that's a redirect to fr:Kentucky Fried Chicken; fr:Poulet Frit Kentucky is red. WP:RFD nonsense, WP:MADEUP. Si Trew (talk) 12:38, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment There is an inappropriate hatnote at Phosphofructokinase with this term for it is in violation with WP:NOTDIC, so perhaps Retarget to Phosphofructokinase Nah. Here come the removal of the hatnote. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and pushing WP:RFOREIGN This isn't the same as Royale with cheese. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Team Gulp
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Since it's now mentioned at the target, the nominator's concerns have been resolved. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:41, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Team Gulp → 7-Eleven (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Team_Gulp&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Team_Gulp stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Nowhere is this term mentioned. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete or Develop it's a gallon-size Big Gulp., but WP:NOTCATALOG, unless someone wants to write in that history of sizes with the source provided. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:59, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This appears to be a non-notable bit of trivia and nothing more. [Admittedly, though, as a Texan I have a weird sense of pride about this. I suppose some Europeans feel the same way when they hear that their area is coming up with 'the biggest commercially sold block of cheese' or such.] CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:58, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep following development - I have added the information to the article, and think that the redirect is now good. Thanks to AngusWOOF for the sourcing.Tazerdadog (talk) 06:40, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tazerdog. Mentioned at target now. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:44, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
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Australija
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 * The result of the discussion was delete Australija; no consensus to delete Australien, but will be retargeted to Australians as the alternative to deletion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Australija → Australia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australija&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Australija stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Australien → Australia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australien&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Australien stats])     [ Closure:  ]

WP:R4 LOL. Anyway, no affinity for these languages. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, sore loser :) Delete per WP:RFD confusing, not at target, and WP:NOTDIC, Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary. Dutch I imagine for the first and French for the second, but "ij" and "ien" even just on their own are not present at the target. Si Trew (talk) 12:45, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete both - Not worth keeping. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:58, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. Typos that will distract from the proper spelling in searches. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:27, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Australija as a plausible misspelling ("j"s are pronounced like "y"s in many languages) which gets a hit a day. Retarget Australien to Australian as a plausible typo which gets 10 hits a day. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:36, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Australija, this doesn't seem quite plausible enough to me. Retarget Australien to Australian per Patar knight.  Tazerdadog (talk) 22:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Lareal Watt
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete, (SNOW). -- GB fan 12:12, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Lareal Watt → Mauldin High School (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lareal_Watt&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lareal_Watt stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect created after a clear AFD to delete article. Concensus in the AfD was close to speedy deletion as an attack page. There is no content in the redirect target regarding the title person. John from Idegon (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:23, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, until the target covers the incident that Watt is known for. Vanamonde (talk) 09:25, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - it most likely won't as it was a BLP1E/BLPCRIME event. John from Idegon (talk) 10:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete No mention of her at the target article. The AFD is Articles_for_deletion/Lareal_Watt Meters (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. Going to CSD as WP:SNOW. Si Trew (talk) 00:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:03, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Australocentric
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:25, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Australocentric → Australia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australocentric&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Australocentric stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Australocentrist → Australia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australocentrist&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Australocentrist stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Australocentrism → Australia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australocentrism&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Australocentrism stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I thought these were ****** redirects, but no. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You mean Neelix? Si Trew (talk) 00:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, who else? It might just be me, but I'd prefer not to mention the name, I don't care if you do, or anyone else, for that matter, although I know that we are WP:NOTCENSORED. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 00:24, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I can understand that. I have had quite a campaign about saying "Neelix redirect" when listing here of being somehow anti-Neelix, even though the guidelines for admins closing Neelix redirecs is specifically to say "Neelix redirect" in their closing rationale. I can go into that more fully but I can understand why you would prefer not to, and exactly why of course I did. I've had the flak already so I don't mind saying it. And to reiterate, I don't think at all that Neelix acted in bad faith, the search engine was not as good then as it is now, and I genuinely believe Neelix was trying to make Wikipedia better with all his redirects. he was wrong but not bad. Show me a man who has never made a mistake and I shall show you a liar. Neelix is not even banned from WP, although I think he is banned from creating redirects, but otherwise is free to edit and even that ban has probably expired by now. He has himself paid enough penance and he made very many great contributions to Wikipedia, real genuinely good articles and well researched, it is very much a pity that he is not still editing. Si Trew (talk) 00:34, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Lol, I have received a few RfD nominations myself, but have just ignored them (ie. not commented) because I believe that I'm also doing it in good faith. I don't know if someone will check this if I decide to go to RfA sooner or later, but not anytime in the near future. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 00:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well I am not an admin and do not want to be, but I would fully support your being one, you are a good editor and contribute enormously to RfD, I don;t know what other stuff you do because I see you mainly through RfD. Admittedly... you told me off for something that you saw as being hostile to User:AngusWOOF, when I meant it ironically, but you should have done just as another friendly editor because I genuinely could not have seen that it would have been taken seriously, so now I now am a bit more careful in how I put things (though not too careful, I do push it a bit sometimes). I would be a terrible admin because I would be making spot decisions to make Wikipedia into my world-view rather than being dispassive, it is quite hard both to be enthusiastic and passionate about the Wikipedia project and at the same time stand back and say nah, WP:IDONTLIKEIT but it is right. I can do it most of the time but you can do it all of the time. You'd make a great admin. Go for it. Si Trew (talk) 00:54, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Technically I would like user rights to be a bit more refined than just "admin" and "non-admin" essentially. It is an encumbrance to tie up admins with deletion requests, for example, which is why we end up having to have WP:X1 and now WP:X2 and stuff like that, and there was a discussion about allowing non-admins to delete things at RfD, I forget where, but is closed, it went on while I was on my self-imposed Wikibreak over the summer and having read it I can see the pros and cons, but really what the problem is, is that user rights are too coarse-grained and should be enabled more finely so that "poor old trew is allowed to do what he likes on these kinds of things which he knows about, but not on these which he knows nothing about". Si Trew (talk) 00:58, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all. There might be something to be said about Australocentrism (like Eurocentrism or US-centrism and so on) and I was going to start to knock up a stub at Australocentrism but beyond a WP:DICDEF and some usages on non-RS such as Twitter feeds I can't find much. There are some references in books but always "in quotes" as "Australocentrism" i.e. that it is not an established word, in those books, but kinda what we would say WP:MADEUP. It's not madeup, it does exist in the wild (or the bush?), but as far as I can see its use in RS is usually simply a mention of the term and not much more, from its obvious meaning of being "Someone who regards Australia as the centre of the Universe" or whatever you want, i.e. a WP:DICDEF. That's fine for Wiktionary but I don't think any good for here. WP:NOTDIC. Wiktionary doesn't have it. It probably should, but that's a job for Wiktionary and I usually cock it up there when I try to add something there. Someone more competent than me can maybe put a request in to have an entry added? Si Trew (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The etymology will be fun at the dicdef. Southern centred? a bit of an oxymoron. Si Trew (talk) 01:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all If there's something to be written about -centric for that country, then an article can be created. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all - these do not look plausible. Tazerdadog (talk) 22:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Text editor support
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Text editor support → Text editor (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Text_editor_support&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Text_editor_support stats])     [ Closure:  ]

WP:NOTHOWTO We are not a tech support provider, I can safely say. Note:This has previously went to Text editor support but was subsequently retargeted. Text editor support exists outside of Wikipedia, and I don't think even the hatnote would get what readers are looking for. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 07:59, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I wasn't even thinking in that direction, I was thinking as a reader what would "Text editor support" mean. It might mean Syntax colouring or online help or indentation or n IntelliSense or various other things modern text editors provide, converting my good code into gibberish which I am perfectly capable of doing for myself, but prefer to farm it out to underlings to do that for me, so I don't need to have all these plugins. I hate them because they always get it wrong which is why I always turn them off. WP:XY as Q. E. D.. Genuinely, I still use vi (text editor), it's just quicker and easier. I have also used it on a teletype when screens were in short supply. I am a Real Programmer. :) Si Trew (talk) 08:11, 13 ckiOctober 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - If someone's looking for some kind of support, then he or she needs to go elsewhere. When people look for general information about text editing, then they'll just type 'text editor' or have the term auto-completed for them. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. XY indeed. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
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Barbarity
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Barbarous
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Hindi version
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hindi version → Hindi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindi_version&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hindi_version stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Vague as to what this means, Hindi version of what? - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:47, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unhelpful vagueness. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Too vague for any specific target (Hindi version of some new movie or book? Of Wikipedia? of whatever article the user was looking at previously?). But the Wikipedia article about the Hindi language almost certainly isn't what anyone wants when they type in this phrase. Search results are the best thing we can offer. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 06:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's getting hits at three or four a day, above bot noise level. There's nothing that links to it, so it rhey be coming from an external link. But it's for external websites to maintain their links, it is for us to maintain ours, and we're entitled thus to say. Si Trew (talk) 06:37, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:06, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I think it's WP:SNOWing but I can't take it, having been involved in the discussion. Si Trew (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Barabic /blanguage
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Barabic /blanguage">Barabic /blanguage → Arabic (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barabic_/blanguage&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Barabic_%2Fblanguage stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as nonsense. Barabic? Blanguage? -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:37, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * /bDelete Can't see how this is plausible. Must be some term someone coined one day. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:40, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I could understand it if it was Barbaric language, i.e. etymologically the language spoken by people with beards, those who are -> Barbarian]s i.e. outside the Roman Empire (as folk etymology has it, I don't know what that target says, because it is a bit of a myth, might have been people from Barbary). It is all a bit WP:RFD nonsense, this one, with the slash and so on. Was it just me that spotted that the creator may have been aiming for "barbaric" not "arabic"? Who knows, but it's a fairly obviously delete because either way it wouldn't get them there. Si Trew (talk) 06:30, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * We have Barbarism_(linguistics), but not sure if "Barbaric language" is a plausible search term for that. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:50, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice call, thinking about that. I think Fowler uses the exact term "Barbaric language" but I can't remember where (it certainly won't be under a headword, Fowler didn't do it that way). Let me check the woodware. Si Trew (talk) 07:20, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * My Fowler (first edition) has "Barbarian, Barbaric, Barbarous" as one headword with two cols including in second para Barbarism, barbarity, barbarousness. All of which Fowler distinguishes in meaning. The next headword is for Barbarism which starts "it is a hard word to fling about, apt to wound feelings; though it may break no bones"... I think best off deleted. WP:NOTDIC after all. The two entries take up three columns so I think Fowler was really rather miffed about these. Si Trew (talk) 07:25, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I found several usages of this term, especially relating to Slavic languages and a few English references. I'm not going to boldly create the R. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 07:27, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Righty ho User:Champion: let me know when you're done and I'll do second pass, gladly. You mean create the article, I hope: the R's fall out of that. Si Trew (talk) 07:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

：：：I guess you're right. I just thought the same, I started typing before you saved that edit (I just thought to myself that it might be better to create an actual article on Barbaric language. Nuf said for now, because this discussion is clearly getting off topic). - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 07:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Quite right. I an rather a prescriptive grammarian meself, bu I couldn't see an article on Barbaric language being anything but WP:NOTDIC or WP:NOTGUIDE. Now I need to follow up where all the ones I linked go, I bet there are a couple of suprises, so expect a couple here. We have Berber and Berber language, but I think that is too far astray. Many people think that moderners have interpreted "Barbar" i.e. someone with a beard as a misinterpretation of "Berber" from the Roman conquests of North Africa. I would spend ages to source that of course but that is a prime source of the confusion. The folk etymology that it meant "People with beards", barbed, I think is largely discounted, it was just a bad translation really. Si Trew (talk) 07:41, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Wandering towards off-topic, User:Champion, but not quite there yet, because we unearth some other strange Rs that have not had a shave yet. Some good has come of it. Si Trew (talk) 08:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and multiple typos per WP:RTYPO. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Digital Highway
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Misuse of the Internet
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Internet abuse. --BDD (talk) 17:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Misuse of the Internet → Internet (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Misuse_of_the_Internet&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Misuse_of_the_Internet stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This is clearly a misuse of the redirect-creating facilities on Wikipedia. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:33, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is getting a steady 1 or 2 hits a day, just about above what I think the consensus is here for what is "bot noise". But if they are coming from an external site, it is for those sites to maintain their weblinks, just as we maintain ours. (at least, I think that's one of the things we are doing here). "Maintain" does not mean "Keep he weeds forever while they rot", it means "We must cultivate our own garden", as the good Dr. Pangloss said. Si Trew (talk) 06:41, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Internet abuse as it was created way back in 2004. Common enough term in searches. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:12, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect per AngusWOOF. Sounds like a reasonable target for this to point to. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:45, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
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The Way the Internet is used or abused
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The Way the Internet is used or abused → Internet (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Way_the_Internet_is_used_or_abused&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Way_the_Internet_is_used_or_abused stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect and its history as an essay I reckon is a perfect example of a way that Wikipedia is used and abused. One, it is abused because someone created a essay. Two, it should have been deleted rather than redirected. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:27, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete wih special prejudice because it should be as an essay "The Way the Internet is Used or Abused", at least according to my style guide Usage and Abusage. Si Trew (talk) 06:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete this isn't a notable book title, song, or term in that format or spelling. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:13, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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The international network
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The international network → Internet (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_international_network&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_international_network stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * International network → Internet (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_network&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=International_network stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not a valid synonym, no need for disambiguation due to they are all WP:PTM's. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:30, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Blimey User:Champion you are good at finding these outliers. Si Trew (talk) 06:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:05, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Designated Public Places Orders
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep #1 (WP:SCLOSE) (non-admin closure) —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 17:55, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Designated Public Places Orders → Designated Public Places Order (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Designated_Public_Places_Orders&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Designated_Public_Places_Orders stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(neelix redirect). Nope, one order, not several. Delete of course. Si Trew (talk) 02:44, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep R from plural. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:44, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You would think, wouldn't you, but I don't think that really anyone would talk about "They were issued with seventeen Designated Public Places Orders." The places are already plural, the orders aren'. They won't be and they aren't. For if you will, we might as well have Assault and Battery Against the Persons or Refusing to Supply a Breath Tests. These things are just not plural. Si Trew (talk) 10:02, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm obviously not gunna create anything like that, but if you want to, go ahead. I still support my decision on this one. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * hmm, I guess the constabulary may hus file, but i have a healthy disregard of the constabulary, as any freethinking English person should. I had the police around here once because I got a deep cut and refused an ambulance and asked the police what they were arresting me for. It is illegal in Hungary to refuse to go into an ambulance, appparently. So when I still refused, they called the police out. It was just a minor cut that needed a bit of Superglue. I had a fun four hours waiting for a doctor to say, in Hungarian, "it is just a minor cut, it needs a bit of superglue". I told you that four hours ago. These things on forms are always WP:SINGULAR and there is no good in pluralising them unless you work at the Department of Adminstrative Affairs or somesuch. Si Trew (talk) 10:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This term is clearly used in this form, see . Still don't get why anyone would vote to delete this. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Whatever. So are DPPs but we don't have that. I think it should go WP:RFD Keep someone finds it useful. Champ does. Closer, please mark as as suggested and no argument about that. Si Trew (talk) 10:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've already marked it. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:37, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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Štefan
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 * The result of the discussion was Procedurally closed by (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC). User:Tavix has converted the redirect to a WP:SIA after full discussion at RfD. No longer a redirect, and thanks to Tavix for doing it


 * <span id="Štefan">Štefan → Stephen (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C5%A0tefan&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-09-13&end=2016-10-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%C5%A0tefan stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I was holding off on this one becaue of the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion. Well, now, this is a foreign-language word and it could go
 * to Stephen, its current target, catted as
 * to Stefan, a (DAB that should be inzstead a but isn't), as

Messieurs et mesdames, faites vos jeux. M'sieur le croupier, User:Ivanvector, vous voulez regarder-les? (le 10% actuallle, vous comprenez) Si Trew (talk) 01:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC) I move not to. What about István and all the litle Steves and Stephens who will be left behind? Si Trew (talk) 02:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've drafted an anthroponymy index at the title. I move to close this discussion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:24, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * What about them? -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:36, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * they're cognate. Which language do you want to have "Stephen" in> English or every language? {[ec}} but I move not to, the SIA you made below the first redirect is scraped from search results, I imagine. So just let the search engine do it. You let the search engine do it to scrape into the SIA. Believe me, I have about 19 variants of "Stephanie" on Neelix list 4 coming your way. Si Trew (talk) 02:41, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a name, so an article on the name is standard procedure per MOS:APO. Similar/cognate names go in the see also. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:47, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't see al but two at the "See also" at yorr draft SIA below the redirect. Doesn't say see also István, Istvan, Stephen, Steven, Stephan, Steffen, Stefan. Don't see any of those others in the "see also" section. I also don't see "Štefa" listed in any of the ones I said, in their "see also" sections. Surely, Tavix, you could have added a see also sexction to the other seven and did forty-nine more links to make it nice and neat. I mean, that combinatorial explosion is not beyond a good editor's talents. But I have another thirteen stevens coming your way, so I hope you are ready to make the explosian over a thousand in the "see also"s. Your policy, you do it. Si Trew (talk) 03:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And we also have . Your bet is that way. I shall wait for others. Your motion is declined by me. Let's get WP:CONSENSUS shall we, that's what we usually try to do. User:BDD, are you up for the gamble? You were gambling on FORREDs earlier but I think I won at the CSD discussion to get them all to RfD. What's your bet, ties pays the dealer. Si Trew (talk) 02:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not a redirect from a foreign language, it's a name. Here's the difference: if someone's name is Štefan, that's their name no matter what the language. They don't become Stephen or Istvan or Estaban depending on the language. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * So this is why my friend Karoly in English is known as Charlie? Yes of course names are translated. 06:20, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) There is a see also section. Here's a link for you: Štefan. 2) If you want those other names listed, go ahead and add them, it's really not that hard. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:11, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Right so you want me to add essentually a List of cognates of Stephen to the "see also" section every cognate of Stephen? I can, it's not hard, it's just makework and stupid to do that. Presumably you should then like me to do the same for John, David, Peter, Paul.... Si Trew (talk) 07:13, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, please. That seems useful to me, I'd love for someone to help out with anthroponymy articles. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd love someone to help me out with the Neelix redirects. I'd also love to win ten billion quid. I still think that adding these to the see alsos is just making it worse, not better. Try combining Steven, Steven, Stephan, Stefan, István into one DAB. Do that, that makes more sense. Not splitting them but combing them. Si Trew (talk) 05:59, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * {{{ping|Tavix}} that was fun, I really enjoy arguing with you. I am going to close this now because you have made the SIA and it's no longer a redirect, so out of the scope of RfD. It was good fun arguing it though, and I think valuable because we now have a kinda WP:CONSENSUS on what we do with "foreign" name redirects (your saying "It's not a foreign name"). I still disagree, nobody is going in English to write it that way, my wife Mónika in Hungarian is Monika without the accent when she is anywhere other than Hungary, but I lost, you won, on this one, others might feel, but I don't mind that I lose, we have made Wikipedia better. Isn't that what we're all trying to do? Si Trew (talk) 12:16, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Strictly
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