Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 26

September 26
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 26, 2016.

MileyWorld

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 15:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * MileyWorld → Miley Cyrus (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MileyWorld&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=MileyWorld stats])     [ Closure:  ]

According to the original version of this redirect, MileyWorld is (was?) a fan club for Miley Cyrus. There's no mention of this club at her article, however, so it should be deleted. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:55, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - I may be wrong, but I think MileyWorld.com and MileyCyrus.com are now connected completely. I'm not sure what the policy is on using offical websites related to people and/or multiperson entities. Toys.com and ToysRUs.com don't go to Toys 'R Us company page, for instance. CNN.com goes to CNN, though. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. mileyworld.com forwards to mileycyrus.com (WARNING: The aforementioned links are "http://".) However, I'm weak delete since it's a redirect to the web site, not the actual name of the web site. Steel1943  (talk) 22:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete websites shouldn't have redirects unless the .com or whatever is notable in itself and is discussed in the article as with CNN.com or Weather.com AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:55, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Wake delete - I suppose the central thing is that this just doesn't seem that helpful. Deletion appears to be the best move, though I'm not sure. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:57, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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Giapponese

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:11, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Giapponese → Japanese people (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giapponese&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Giapponese stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. The Italian language has no particular affiliation with Japan. Gorobay (talk) 17:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete – Besides this, in Italian, "Giapponese" can mean either the Japanese language or Japanese people, so this redirect is even worse than it first looks. Madalibi (talk) 09:09, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:31, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete so it's a bit of an WP:RFOREIGN then? AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:51, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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The Tragedy of Federico Garcia Lorca

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 * The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. Deryck C. 15:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The Tragedy of Federico Garcia Lorca → Federico García Lorca (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Tragedy_of_Federico_Garcia_Lorca&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Tragedy_of_Federico_Garcia_Lorca stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Non-notable play that was redirected after AfD almost 8 years ago, but it's not mentioned there, and it doesn't seem likely that it ever will be. García Lorca himself wrote multiple tragedies, so I don't think we can repurpose this either. BDD (talk) 15:15, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete There's a compilation book called Three Tragedies but I don't see one for this particular title, and a biography one called The Comic Spirit of Federico Garcia Lorca  and The Selected Poems of  but I'm not seeing where there's a book by this particular title. If there is such a title and it is notable, either direct it to the author or add it to the books about Garcia Lorca. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:32, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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Mongolian studies

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 * The result of the discussion was move draft to mainspace. Thanks editors. Deryck C. 15:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Mongolian studies → East Asian studies (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mongolian_studies&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-20&end=2016-09-18&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mongolian_studies stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, since though Mongolia is a part of East Asia, the article on East Asian studies does not mention Mongolian studies at all, meaning that it is impossible to read any info about Mongolian studies from the East Asian studies article. RekishiEJ (talk) 06:17, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Textbook(!) example of WP:REDLINK in redirection studies. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 07:19, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * see, here is what I do not get about this kind of "discussion" -- this is clearly a valid R with possibilities, and it would take you less time to fix the problem than to open this "discussion", let alone the time it takes the four or five people that are going to be involved with it. --dab (𒁳) 12:42, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage article creation should the specific field of study gather Wikipedia-level notability. There's also American Center for Mongolian Studies. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You don't encourage article creation by deleting a topic. Seeing that a topic was previously deleted discourages potential editors to recreate a topic. Also, IPs cannot create articles, but they can turn redirects into articles. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:10, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I see where you're coming from, but WP:RED quite clearly says a redlink can "indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic", and even cites research to that effect. Now, certainly sometimes R with possibilities is a better approach, but from a purely technical standpoint, it's much easier to click "create" on a blank page than to go to the top of an article, click the term you're redirected from, and then click "edit".
 * I'm not commenting on this particular redirect, and I admit that I never considered that seeing a delete log might discourage someone from creating an article. But I do want to firmly emphasize that AngusWOOF's vote isn't just based on some personal whim, but rather a very well established principle. --BDD (talk) 19:27, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep (or refine to #Subfields). Until a dedicated article is created, our readers will still find a paragraph of information on the subject at the target. This is better than giving them search results. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:55, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a valid "catch term" and it makes sense to redirect it to the current target article (as the link is helpful in providing at least related information and likely is the place also for more detailed info in the future) for as long as we don't have a dedicated article about it. Per WP:R, none of the reasons to delete redirects apply, but several of WP:R apply, so deleting it would be counter-productive. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:10, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Lemme go draft something Draft:Mongolian studies. Otherwise it's kind of an WP:XY problem: some universities put (or used to put) Mongolian studies under their Central Asian studies programme, or with Inner Asian studies (too bad, that's red), or with Tibetology and Indology (e.g. Leipzig University ). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 11:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of putting that draft into and catting it – not great because of course these are not studies done in Mongolia but I couldn't find anything better to cat it as, sometimes by putting something wrong it helps others to put it right! Si Trew (talk) 05:03, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: What do editors think of the draft? How likely is it that we'll ever be able to say more about Mongolian studies than that it's the study of Mongolia? If that's all we can say, how do we proceed?

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Move draft into mainspace. In terms of notabiliy, Mongolian studies isn't much different from other broad areas of scholarly enquiry. Uanfala (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Move draft into mainspace. Thanks for taking the time to draft this! -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:46, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Move draft as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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Interstate 13 in California
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 5%23Interstate 13 in California

Republic of China (1949–2000)

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to History of the Republic of China. --BDD (talk) 16:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Republic of China (1949–2000) → Government of the Republic of China (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republic_of_China_(1949%E2%80%932000)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-18&end=2016-09-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Republic_of_China_%281949%E2%80%932000%29 stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Republic of China (1949-2000) → Government of the Republic of China (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republic_of_China_(1949-2000)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-18&end=2016-09-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Republic_of_China_%281949-2000%29 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:33, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Possibly related to "In 2005, the National Assembly permanently abolished itself by ratifying a constitution amendment passed by the Legislative Yuan." but even if that's the case, still wrong year, and fails WP:NPOV in that the editor is saying that Taiwan no longer exists. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 09:39, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If this redirect is to work, it should lead to Politics of the Republic of China, which is almost all about Taiwan (where the Republic of China has been established since 1949) and not Government of the Republic of China, which concerns mostly the pre-1949 period. Madalibi (talk) 12:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * History of the Republic of China might be the best target, since it has a sub section break at History_of_the_Republic_of_China to discuss events after the 2000 election which saw the DPP defeat the KMT – essentially 1949–2000 is the period in ROC history between their defeat in the Chinese Civil War/retreat to Taiwan and the first electoral defeat of the Kuomintang. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:57, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * This is an awkward situation, but I'm going to agree that a redirect to History of the Republic of China is the right call as well. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of the Republic of China, per CoffeeWithMarkets and Patar knight. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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Ts'ao Hsueeh-Ch'in

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Ts'ao Hsueeh-Ch'in → Cao Xueqin (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ts%27ao_Hsueeh-Ch%27in&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ts%27ao_Hsueeh-Ch%27in stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ching-hua Ta-hsueeh → Tsinghua University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ching-hua_Ta-hsueeh&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ching-hua_Ta-hsueeh stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ching-Hua Ta-Hsueeh → Tsinghua University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ching-Hua_Ta-Hsueeh&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ching-Hua_Ta-Hsueeh stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ch'inghua Tahsueeh → Tsinghua University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ch%27inghua_Tahsueeh&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ch%27inghua_Tahsueeh stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ch'ing-Hua Ta-Hsueeh → Tsinghua University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ch%27ing-Hua_Ta-Hsueeh&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ch%27ing-Hua_Ta-Hsueeh stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Chinghua Tahsueeh → Tsinghua University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinghua_Tahsueeh&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Chinghua_Tahsueeh stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ch'ing-hua Ta-hsueeh → Tsinghua University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ch%27ing-hua_Ta-hsueeh&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ch%27ing-hua_Ta-hsueeh stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not a valid alternative romanization (hsueeh, what is this supposed to mean? Its not pinyin, Wade-Giles, Tongyong Pinyin, Gwoyeu Romatzyh etc). A quick google for any of these reveal nothing but Wikipedia mirrors, keeping redirects like these would encourage nothing but more external links to these incorrect terms. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:37, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not used in journals and news articles with those spellings. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete – The spelling "hsueeh" is not attested anywhere. The closest correct Romanization is "Ch'ing-hua Ta-hsueh" ("hsüeh" for the purist) in Wade–Giles. Accepting this misspelled redirect would potentially open the door to a flurry of other incorrect Romanizations for any page in Chinese, from "Chink-wa ta-suey" to "Jing-hwa dasway". Madalibi (talk) 09:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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University Center Patio

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:11, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * University Center Patio → University of Miami (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=University_Center_Patio&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=University_Center_Patio stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Generic name, not mentioned at the target article. Searching the phrase on Google, I'm seeing results for various universities, but not for Miami. BDD (talk) 02:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: I created this redirect as a direct replacement for an equivalent piped link ( University Center Patio ) in the article Born to Run tours. There's no doubt about its accuracy, despite it not being mentioned in the target article - I've just done a Google search which brings up "Lakeside Patio Stage | University of Miami" as the first entry, plus several images from UM. I agree that it's a fairly generic term, but it's not clashing with anything else or misleading anyone. Colonies Chris (talk) 08:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - While the Florida college does indeed have such an area, I'm seeing analogously named areas in multiple other educational institutions around the U.S. I'm concerned that we're basically privileging one specific university at the expense of a bunch of other ones. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:42, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete NOTTRAVEL San Diego also has a University Center Patio . <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * However, the one at SD is named the "Hahn University Center Patio", so no confusion is likely. Colonies Chris (talk) 08:31, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. After reviewing a number of sources, I can't find any evidence that the location at the University of Miami is the primary topic. Maybe we can dabify if other articles discuss similar locations. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There are currently no other links to this redirect, so why not just leave it in place now and make it more specific in the future if necessary? Removing it would cause a redlink in Born to Run tours without any matching benefit elsewhere. Colonies Chris (talk) 08:31, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * But what benefit is there to that link in the first place, especially compared to just piping it to the University of Miami? Presumably the point of the link is to show where the canceled concert was, and not to provide specific information about a patio. --BDD (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The usual benefit of a redirect - perhaps I should have tagged it as a 'redirect wth possibilities' - it's a concert venue, and someone might write an article, or a section of a larger article, on this venue, just as there are articles on many many other concert venues. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:41, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:FRIENDLY
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Twinkle and keep, respectively. --BDD (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * FRIENDLY → Wikipedia:Maintaining a friendly space (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FRIENDLY&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3AFRIENDLY stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Friendly → Wikipedia:Twinkle (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Friendly&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-08-27&end=2016-09-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3AFriendly stats])     [ Closure:  ]  (added 13:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC) )

Should this point to Twinkle instead, as Friendly redirects there and Friendly was merged into Twinkle 5 years ago? GeoffreyT2000 ( talk,  contribs ) 01:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong keep There are over 500 links to this redirect, retargeting will break those links. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 06:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, turns out that retargeting the redirect will fix a majority the links. See my comments below for information. Steel1943  (talk) 13:30, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per Champion. Hatnote at target if required. SST  flyer  09:45, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 *  Retarget Friendly to Maintaining a friendly space. Looking at the incoming links to Friendly, probably 98% of the incoming links are the result of one specific editor (Ioeth) using it in their signature a few years ago (most of the incoming links are in the "User talk:" namespace.) If anything, yes, I do agree that the targets should match, but I also agree per Champion that it should not be at the expense of breaking incoming links; since I saw that the majority of incoming links to Friendly were created as a result of an editor's signature, we can hatnote Maintaining a friendly space to point towards Twinkle if necessary. Steel1943  (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Turms out that the situation is more complicated than that. Most incoming links for FRIENDLY are intended for the tool that was replaced by Twinkle; FRIENDLY has been targeting Maintaining a friendly space only since editor Harej retargeted the redirect in 2015 seemingly WP:BOLD-ly, but the redirect never had a formal RfD discussion. As stated in my crossed-out statement, probably 98% of the incoming links are the result of one specific editor using it in their signature a few years ago (most of the incoming links are in the "User talk:" namespace) prior to the 2015 change.  Steel1943  (talk) 13:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have merged Friendly into this discussion. Steel1943  (talk) 13:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * WEAK retarget FRIENDLY to Twinkle per nom and my comment/research regarding the redirect's history (since this seems to be the intended target of the majority of its incoming links.) Steel1943  (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * (Changed from "retarget" to "weak retarget" since I agree with Pppery's comment below. Steel1943  (talk) 18:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC))


 * Retarget both to Maintaining a friendly space as a more obvious target that does not depend on the name of a gadget that was merged five years ago. P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 02:07, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Restore Friendly to this version, mark it as historical and alter it to reflect that it has been merged with twinkle, then retarget FRIENDLY there. I prefer maintaining useful history, as opposed to retargeting both of these to an essay. WP:FRIENDLY was created as a redirect to Friendly, pointing there until 2011 when it was redirected to Twinkle. This has only targeted Maintaining a friendly space since 2015. The majority of the links seem to be from the signature of Ioeth (as Steel1943 points out above) [before the retarget]. Those could be replaced with WP:MFS (which I just created) fairly easily. —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 13:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Restore per Godsy. Friendly, was a prominent script for a long time, and maintaining it has historical value, more so than a newish essay. Hatnotes can serves readers well here. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
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