Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 22

April 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 22, 2017.

Phu-to-ga
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close  to renominate along with Phû-tô-gâ. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Phu-to-ga → Portugal (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phu-to-ga&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete, WP:RFD nonsense, not at target. User:Siuenti is usually our expert on east asian ones, but I cannot find any use of this 'exact term in reliablle sources. Si Trew (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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Goekceada & Bozcaada
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Evidence of usage has been found. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:18, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Goekceada & Bozcaada → Imbros and Tenedos (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goekceada_%26_Bozcaada&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). WP:FIRSTSENTENCE, "known by their official names of Gökçeada and Bozcaada". Not known as Goekceada & Bozcaada". WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Used in plenty of sources, e.g. . Thryduulf (talk) 11:12, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Motorvaeg
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Adams aebler
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nom, me. Si Trew (talk) 05:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC). As User:Sideways713 points out, it DABS to Adams Apple (disambiguation)


 * Adams aebler → Adam's Apples (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adams_aebler&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11, about 1850) I think this might be a bit WP:XY. I can see how it is back-formed, but then why not send it to Adam's Apple and things like that. I think it is best of cut. WP:RFD confusing, not at at target. Si Trew (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep It's the closest approximation of the original Danish title that can be easily typed on an English keyboard (or most other non-Danish keyboards), and thus a plausible search term for the movie. On the other hand, it's not a plausible term for Adam's apple or any of the other similarly named topics since 1) this is the only one with any affinity to Danish and 2) no one searching in Danish and looking for the Adam's apple article would use this term anyway. (They would use the Danish singular, which is adamsæble.) Not to mention that the target page has a hatnote to Adam's apple (disambiguation) anyway. Sideways713 (talk) 18:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps my glasses were dirty, as above, it has the link to the DAB. Perhaps my glasses were dirty because I did check. I can't check every single one every day. Si Trew (talk) 05:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
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Schwyzerduetsch
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . WP:IAR closure due to the ongoing discussion about problmatic nominations and behavior of  User:SimonTrew at ANI. (non-admin closure) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Schwyzerduetsch → Swiss German (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schwyzerduetsch&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). I know I am in a bit of a minority here as a cunning linguist, but I don't think we can go around changing the names of languages. Back-formation from. There are plenty-o-redirects to this that will get people to where they want to go. WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid transliteration. Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Show me wher anywhere it is written "Schwyzerdeutsch". Please. Not a Google Books Search without RS. Where really it is. Results I get are all from German Wikipedia (on a general search, not a Wikipedia search.) Swiss German language is not quite the same as German language. Si Trew (talk) 05:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. reasonable alternative tranaliteration.  DGG ( talk ) 08:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * An alternative transliteration from what'? Si Trew (talk) 04:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, standard transliteration of "Schwyzerdütsch", which is what Swiss German is called in Swiss German. —Kusma (t·c) 06:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Kusma. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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A, Sweden
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . The consensus is to keep this redirect. I'll add the tags momentarily.  (non-admin closure)   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:21, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * A, Sweden → Å, Sweden (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A,_Sweden&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). I know that the consensus is generally to keep redirects for Swedish/Germanic language ones, but since this place is only called "Å" in the first place, this might be somewhat WP:RFD confusing. Si Trew (talk) 15:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - R to diacritics. Si, if Eubot creates a title which is identical to the article title except for diacritics, don't you think you should skip it? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Eubot should not have created them in the first place. Despite my bringing substantial evidence to RfD that Eubot was not given any authorisation to create these, but its author did anyway, I have to make the call. I brought it here in good faith saying I know that we generally keep Germanic/Swedish ones. This is iffy because as Bonadea says below, they are treated as different letters. What if I created A Sweden or A Norway, then, would that be OK? Then you would argue "It's just ? Or that O'Canada is the same thing as Oh, Canada? It only differs in punctuation. I do have some intelligence. I do not think on these onse you can argue either WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS or WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNOTEXIST because they were made by a bot without permission. I'll bet you if I created O'Canada arguing it was just a different spellographicaliness I would be straight up at ANI (and probably not by you, because you would see the point.) My point is this is much the same. If it is a longish name, sure, but this is a single-word name for the village. Å doesn't mention it, probably should in strict Wikipedia terms in a hatnote, but this is what we're up against with this one with very short geographic names, wherever they are. They are kinda the distinguishing mark and you can't bugger about with them in English else we have nothing else to disambiguate them by. Si Trew (talk) 04:24, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - as misleading and factually wrong. It is not identical, since a and å are different letters in the Swedish alphabet. That English (sometimes) treats "å" as a diacritic does not mean that we should have factual errors in article titles. --bonadea contributions talk 08:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not an error in the article title. It's a navigation aid so that the substantial proportion of users who do not have multinational keyboard layouts and/or aren't familiar with typing unicode shortcuts can easily reach the article. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have to copy-paste "Å" too, unless I go to unlengthy lengths to find a different layout. I only have four different layouts, and I prefer to have a physical layoyut in front of me so that my fingers match the screen. Swedish isn't one of them. (The four things printed on different keyboards are Hungarian, English, Belgian/French, and Spanish.) But that is what touch-typing is. My argument is that it makes no sense in English.


 * Keep per . Steel1943  (talk) 13:46, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag with and  due to all above comments.--Mr. Guye (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * 'Keep and tag per Mr. Guye. Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag per above. Although Å and A are different letters in Swedish, on this occasion there is no ambiguity so WP:DIACRITICS applies. Thryduulf (talk) 11:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Kestal/Goeltepe
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Kestal/Goeltepe → Kestel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kestal/Goeltepe&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11). I think this is pushing it a bit when the target is primary anyway, I think this is WP:RFD nonsense to take the Turkish at the back end, turn the "oe" as Germanic language. I can understand the misspelling but this, I think, is too far out. NOTE: The target is "Kestel" not "Kestal". Kestal is a different place in Turkey, and not to be confused with a Kestral or a Kestrel. Your humble knave as always. Si Trew (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. Three misspellings plus a special character is a little too implausible for me. I know redirects are cheap, but it still needs to have value.--Mr. Guye (talk) 00:07, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, since we have and  already I am wondering if it is just downright misleading. It also has a slash in it which is an unlikely search term, but I was being nice. No evidence for it being called "Goeltepe" with that spelling beyond Eubot backlinks. Si Trew (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. While "Kestel/Göltepe" is frequently encountered in sources, and individually "Kestal" and "Goeltepe" are good redirects, the two together are not used in any sources I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 11:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Template:R to common name
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator, User:Mr. Guye. (non-admin closure) by me, Si Trew (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Template:R to common name → Template:R from scientific name (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_to_common_name&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:R, WP:SURPRISE, WP:XY. Redirect could also refer to a more common name for any subject. I understand the biology justification for this redirect, but still. . . Mr. Guye (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedily Keep. This is used in thousands of articles, and is the Wikipedia standard form as User:Plantdrew for example will tell you, he more on the biological side than I. It is the standard form if I may put it that way for saying what the common name of something (let's say, a black rat) with a scientific name . It is just absolutely fine, nothing wrong with it. It's not a redirect, anyway, so this is WP:WRONGFORUM. Take it to WP:TFD if you want. Si Trew (talk) 14:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * User: Mr. Guye, were you thinking of something else? Si Trew (talk) 14:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Withdrawl.--Mr. Guye (talk) 14:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Will do User:Mr. Guye. Have forgotten how to do this. Nice to see you back. Si Trew (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Si Trew, Template:R to common name is a redirect and has always been a redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 04:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * See above. This is a redirect. Letting you know in case that was the reason you withdrew. Steel1943  (talk) 04:37, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No that wasn't the reason. It was because I saw Si Trew's common name/scientific name explanation and realized that there was not a better phrasing of the redirect. Thanks for notifying me, though. Mr. Guye (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are technically one is a redirect to the other. They serve the same purpose and that was what I was trying to convery briefly. Like we have and  and one (I forget which) is an R to the other, but it depends semantically which makes more sense. I didn't want to labour the details. Si Trew (talk) 04:38, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Main Page Test
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Superior venae cavae
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedily withdrawn by nominator. I changed my mind.


 * Superior venae cavae → Superior vena cava (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Superior_venae_cavae&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot). Well, um,this is odd. Back-formed from which I shall mark as  if not already done. But it's a bit of a mixed-language redirect when we are then having the back end in a latin plural but the front end... I dunno. Probably a keep but it just seems odd to me. It is a bit mixed-language but probably OK as a medical term. Listing quickly before I check, I do not have access to medical journals. Si Trew (talk) 12:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Have thus marked. Actually, kinda speedily withdrawn by myself. Si Trew (talk) 12:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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Diosgyoer
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:16, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Diosgyoer → Diósgyőr (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diosgyoer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot). Diósgyőr may be a historical town in Hungary. Dioesgyoer is not. WP:RFD nonsense. Not Germanic language. Si Trew (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid, if dated, transliteration.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Please stop listing Google Canada Chrome books searches so that I have to look them up, and as far as I can tell it is only in the index because it is only an excerpt from the book, not where it is used in the text.
 * As I told you, I live here. I know that is only primary sources but I speak Hungarian and English on the street every day. I might have some faint clue of what a transliteration is from Hungarian English to Modern English when I go out to the dohányasbolt and converse in the vernacular mindig napi over a transictio. I might just know what I am talking about occasionally when I say this. If the best you can do is a Google Books Chrome Search in the index of some old book that does not have a date, reference, or whatever, instead of a WP:RS, when I have sitting on my bookshelves the official dictionaries of the Hungarian Academy, the Virag Irodam Lexixon in twelve volumes, two landlords next door who I can ask and say (in Hungarian) have I written that correctly and they will say no that makes no sense. They will genuinely not understannd it. You just cannot do Hungarian accents that wayl; and you can't do it in English that way. I need the dates of the books you list, I should not be expected to look them up on a Google Chrome Canada Search to do your own homework, your own WP:BEFORE. Real-life uses of real instances please.
 * is of course fine as a, but this is WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per Patar knight and the CIA. Thryduulf (talk) 11:42, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Senats
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Bacardi Limon
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  11:01, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Bacardi Limon → Bacardi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bacardi_Limon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Hmmm.... As a straight R from diacritics it is fine, but this is also kinda and it may be pushing it, since it just goes to the top of the article, and not to a section, and we don't seem to have any information on this particular subbrand, that I can find, I think this is a Weak delete. Bacardi Lemon is red. We have Bacardi Breezer and so on. from which (unless I have mistyped) is red. There is just nothing at the article about it and I couldn't find any encyclopaeidic article about it. know it is a well-know brand and so on but this is not encyclopaeidic. Si Trew (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have mistyped. I will leave it here because I think it makes the point. Si Trew (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think it is known as Bacardi Límon in Hungary... that has never been created, but that is just branding. That doesn't make sense the "Límon" in Hungarian, companies deliberately brand things like that (otherwise it would be "Bacardi Citrom", thw word for "lemon"). We have, from which this was created. But basically it is marketing speak. Si Trew (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. While Bacardi Limón exists this should reach the same target. If you don't think that redirects should exist, nominate it for deletion and list this one together with it (I've not formulated an opinion about it currently). Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and add AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:36, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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Celal Sengoer
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Celal Sengoer → Celâl Şengör (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celal_Sengoer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11 at about 1450) Not germanic but Turkish. WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Used by such reliable sources as the Natural History Museum and Agenzia Nazionale Stampa Associata . Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Boerzsoeny
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Boerzsoeny → Börzsöny (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boerzsoeny&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11 at about 1500). Not Germanic but Hungarian, WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 12:14, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep recognised as a transliteration by the Library of Congress . Thryduulf (talk) 11:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Spoering Island
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Spoering Island → Pourewa Island (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spoering_Island&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, at list 11 about 1425). This is a toughie. This New Zealand island was named by Cook after the Finnish explorer, Herman Spöring. I think this makes this a bit WP:RFD nonsense, when we already have the aboriginal name (if you'll allow me that). I can't seem to find a "WikiProject New Zealand" to ping for advice. WP:BEFORE coming here I tried external sources, and I can't see that it is used externally at all, but my search sometimes gets different results from other editors'. Si Trew (talk) 11:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * , the New Zealand Wikiproject is hiding in a secret-squirrel location: WikiProject New Zealand  Schwede 66  08:39, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: As I get the impression that the italicized Finnishness of Spöring forms at least part of the basis for the argument above, I need to point out that Spöring was Swedish and from a family of German origin. --Hegvald (talk) 06:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * , . You're on the same lines as me. It is not italicised at least as not as I see but that User:Eubot, a well-known bot creator of thousands of rather queer redirects back in 2008, has back-formed Finnish "Spöring" into Engish "Spoering". It is not Germanic language, which we tend to accept (myself reluctantly), but Finnish language, the surname. However, we are now juggling four different balls with the redirect, Finnish for "Spöring", nonsense for "Spoering", English for "Island" and I am not familiar with aboriginal languages of NZ but "Pourewa", presummably a transliteration for when they beat us wee bits at Rugby. Could be Maori but could be many others. For a bot' to add another into the mix strikes me as nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 05:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you insist that the surname is Finnish. There is nothing Finnish about it. Most Finns would have a problem even pronouncing it. Spöring, for all we know, may never have spoken a word of Finnish in his life. --Hegvald (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:RFD confusing, not at target. Nothing at the target says it was or has ever been known as "Spoering island". Si Trew (talk) 05:11, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. This is a standard translisteration of the Swedish surname, and most English speakers would render it as "Sporing" or "Spoering" regardless of the etymology. I do see a few uses in google search results but I can't verify them on the actual pages. Thryduulf (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Redirects from spellings without diacritics are harmless at worst and useful at best, and they really only need to be deleted if they come into conflict with a better use of the page title. In this case, there is another issue, which I have tried to point out briefly above. SiTrew claims that the name Spöring should not come under the Scandinavian or German "exception" because it is a Finnish name. This argument is flawed, because the name is not Finnish. Anybody even superficially familiar with Finnish names can see that this is not a Finnish name. For one thing, the Finnish language has a problem with initial consonantal clusters and tend to drop part of them in names or words borrowed from e.g. Swedish (see Finnish phonology). It is debatable whether even describing Spöring himself as Finnish is correct. He came from a Swedish-speaking town in a Swedish-speaking region in Finland, which in the 18th century had been part of Sweden for several centuries. Both his parents were born in current-day Sweden. His father, the elder Herman Diderich Spöring, was baptized in 1701 in the German Church in Stockholm, and one can assume that his parents or some earlier generation were immigrants from German-speaking parts of Europe. (I have googled in vain for an etymology of "Spöring", but it seems safe to call it a German name.) --Hegvald (talk) 23:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Pruefer rank
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Evidence of usage has been found. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:14, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Pruefer rank → Prüfer rank (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pruefer_rank&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11 at 1421). Normally the consensus for these is for keepsies, on Germanic ones, as a straight. I am not sure on this one because of the technical nature of the subject. It is probably all right. As far as I can see from a bit of WP:BEFORE, most roads lead back to Wikipedia where we have "Prufer rank" in several articles. I can't see it being used as "Pruefer" in external sources, but other editors are better at searching than I am. Si Trew (talk) 11:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lots of uses in academic sources, e.g. (PDF page 6),  and  (PDF page 8). Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Buzios game
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Wood e Stock: Sexo, Oregano e Rock'n'Roll
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:31, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Wood e Stock: Sexo, Oregano e Rock'n'Roll">Wood e Stock: Sexo, Oregano e Rock'n'Roll → Wood & Stock: Sexo, Orégano e Rock'n'Roll (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wood_e_Stock:_Sexo,_Oregano_e_Rock%27n%27Roll&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) I haven't worked out how it has turned the ampersand into a "e". I know that means "and" (or abbreviated) in many languages, but I haven't worked out how it has got from there to here. It came via, created by a user in 2006, perhaps in error. I will check but the internet just dropped, sorry.
 * The original from which this was created was made by an indefinitely banned editor as a sockpuppet. Perhaps we should delete both. I of course have no idea of the reason for that, I am not an admin and can't checkhist like that. But this was in 2006 about two years before this one was created by eubot. Another fine mess we've got we into. Si Trew (talk) 11:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. "Wood e Stock: Sexo, Orégano e Rock'n'Roll" is the original name of the film, so this is fine per WP:DIACRITICS. The original redirect was created in 2006, four years before it's creator was first blocked or suspected of sockpuppetry so there is no WP:CSD possibility here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Kjolen Mountains
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:31, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Kjolen Mountains → Scandinavian Mountains (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kjolen_Mountains&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot). This is probably all right, if useless. It was back-formed from .. but considering we already have the target in English, I can't really mark it as and the marking for  doesn't make sense because it doesn't have any on either side. Weak delete as clutter, although I imagine other editors will disagree with me on this one. Si Trew (talk) 11:12, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. While Kjølen Mountains exists (and I think it should) this should also exist pointing to the same target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Nigueelas
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Nigueelas → Nigüelas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nigueelas&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Not Germanic but Spanish. Si Trew (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * weak delete. Google is very reluctant to show me results for "Nigueelas" (rather than "Niguelas", with or without diacritic) but those I can find seem to be procedually generated rather than human uses. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hluess
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hluess → Tékumel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hluess&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). I am no expert on fictional books on discovery worlds and stuff, I just read newspapers which is about the same, come to think of it. The spelling in the article is "Hlǘss" and I imagine that people who enjoy these kinds of books are very particular about what these kinds of things are called. Since it's obviously not a, just possibly a , but I am going Delete, WP:RFD nonsense on this one. Si Trew (talk) 11:08, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per WP:DIACRITICS while Hlüss exists, this should also exist. If you think that redirect shouldn't exist (I have no opinion at the moment) then nominate it for deletion and list this in the same discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Szent-Gyoergyi
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Evidence of usage has been found. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:29, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Szent-Gyoergyi → Albert Szent-Györgyi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Szent-Gyoergyi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot). Not Germanic but Hungarian. It is a bit of WP:RFD nonsense really. "" or "" etc would make sense if we were translating, but patently we do not translate this name of this Nobel prizewinner. excuse me while I strangle my cat. Si Trew (talk) 11:04, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lots of uses, e.g., , and  (although that last one is rather odd). Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Mottoelae
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Mottoelae → Hanno Möttölä (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mottoelae&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11 at about 1150) American basketball player but surname is Finnish, not Germanic Language. Si Trew (talk) 11:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsurprisingly for a redirect that translisterates ö → o on the first occasion but ö → oe on the second this doesn't get any actual uses. Thryduulf (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Ta Yue
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Ta Yue → Ta Yü (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ta_Yue&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). Not sure. This board game is based on the legendary (Chinese) Yu the Great, according to the article. Eubot has turned the "ü" into "ue", as usual. I think Weak delete, unless the game is called in real life "Ta Yue". My external search gives me various companies in different places that are not related to this board game, as far as I can tell. It might be a bit WP:RFD confusing. Not at target. Considering we haven't Yue the Great, for example, it might be a bit iffy. Si Trew (talk) 10:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am finding plenty of hits, but they all seem to be for either a manufacturing company we don't have an article for or the Chinese name for the Tadjiks (which would fall foul of WP:FORRED). We do have Tajiks of Xinjiang (redirect from Tajiks in China) but this term is not mentioned in that article so wouldn't make a good redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Joenkoeping Airport
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Joenkoeping Airport → Jönköping Airport (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joenkoeping_Airport&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11, at about 1150). On the whole, we tend to keep Swedish ones, but the doubling of "oe" "oe" may be a bit too far out. Probably all right, absolutely straight but nobody searching for this airport is going to search this way. Not even the pilots. At least, I hope, not the pilots :) Si Trew (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Perfectly standard transliteration of Swedish. I'm not sure what you are on about re "doubling" as "oeoe" is not present in this redirect, and ö → oe is consistent. Thryduulf (talk) 13:24, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as consistent transliteration of Swedish into plain English characters. Deryck C. 17:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
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Neord
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Neord → Njörðr (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neord&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11). This is back-formed from. In that sense it makes sense, but I can also see it being a likely typo for many other things and not necessarily a Norse god. Not sure. Si Trew (talk) 10:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per WP:DIACRITICS while Neorð exists this should also, unless it is ambiguous but I can't find any evidence for it being. If you have any specific suggestions for things it might be typo for, please share them. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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America-Freedom to Fascism
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Nevenoiou
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . No prejudice against speedy renomination to also include Nevenoioù. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:23, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Nevenoiou → Nominoe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nevenoiou&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11) I can't see (according to Wikipedia) that he was even known by this name ever. Nobody neve niou him by this name. Back-formed from, which is not at the target either. WP:RFD confusing. Bréton French (I am supprised we don't have that link). Si Trew (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per WP:DIACRITICS while Nevenoioù exists, this should too. If you think that should be deleted (I have no opinion at the moment), nominate it together with this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Baay Nas
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  (non-admin closure)   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Baay Nas → Ibrahim Niass (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baay_Nas&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot). Not sure. In the lede, he is "affectionately known as Baay", but he is not known as "Baay nas". That is an affectionate name with the wrong surname. WP:RFD weakly, delete. It doesn't make too much sense to me to put an affectionate name together with the wrong surname. Back-formed from. Si Trew (talk) 10:32, 22 April 2017 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 10:32, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid transliterations according to the lede of the article. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:13, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, used in this PhD dissertation and works that cite it among others. Thryduulf (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Youssef El Osri
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Already deleted (see below). -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Youssef El Osri → 2017 shooting of Paris police officers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Youssef_El_Osri&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The subject is not mentioned in the article to which his name is redirected. WWGB (talk) 02:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete: I created the redirect under the impression that the identification of Youssef El Osri as a second suspect would lead somewhere, but given the recent events, it obviously won't anymore. Cyrus the Penner (talk) 03:11, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've taken this to WP:CSD, User:Cyrus the Penner. Under WP:CSD, author requests deletion. Hope that's OK. (We don't seem to have "penner requests deletion"). Si Trew (talk) 08:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. --Shirt58 (talk) 09:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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Goeta aelv
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Goeta aelv → Göta älv (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goeta_aelv&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11) I think this is all right, but may be a bit too far away (Swedish) Si Trew (talk) 01:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Perfectly standard transliteration from Swedish, no "too far away" from anything as far as I can tell. Thryduulf (talk) 15:01, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf. Deryck C. 17:19, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
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?El Concepto?
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  11:02, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="?El Concepto?">?El Concepto? → ¿El Concepto? (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%3FEl_Concepto%3F&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11). Despite previous discussions I don't think we ever quite achieved consensus on thes with the reverse question marks. This is probably OK, but klisting only to establish consensus. (I'll fo the same with reverse exclamation marks if I find any and interrobangs and things like that, but haven't found any yet in all the months of trogging through eubot Si Trew (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Upside-down question marks are not on an English keyboard. Deleting this redirect greatly impairs the ability to navigate to the article. Steel1943  (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. I wonder if it greatly impairs them from finding them in the first place. User:Steel1943, you are better at this than me, can you list some of the previous discussions? I am sure we had them. I don't think there was an entirely clear result, though it was generally in favour of keeping them, if I recall. But I think it was a case-by-case basis, perhaps. Si Trew (talk) 06:56, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per Steel1943. Thryduulf (talk) 15:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Turkiye Izcilik Federasyonu
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator, Si Trew (talk) 05:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC)}}

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 * Turkiye Izcilik Federasyonu → Scouting and Guiding Federation of Turkey (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkiye_Izcilik_Federasyonu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11) this is probably all right but is a bit off. I can't find any RS using this exact term, but other editors may do better. Weak delete. Si Trew (talk) 01:14, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep-it's the name of the org on Turkish--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:11, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Thankyou, User:Kintetsubuffalo. My search is not "blocked" on WP in any kind of censorship sense, but it does give me different results from others in different countries.I can generally handle the Hungarian ones and others related to Hungarian, and so can handle Turkik ones sometimes, but this seemed just on the crescent. Thanks for confirming it's OK. Si Trew (talk) 05:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Turist Omer duemenciler krali
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Deryck C. 17:19, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Turist Omer duemenciler krali → Turist Ömer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turist_Omer_duemenciler_krali&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). Turkish. Eubot hasn't cocked up the accents, for a change, well probably has at the back end. The full name is not at the target. Created from, and then there would be a cock-up on the "duemenciler", so I'm inclined to say delete, but we should probably delete that one too, if it is not at the target. This is nonsense without the accents, but I am not sure what to do with the one it was created from, because that is probably, but not at target Si Trew (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as very implausible, given Eubot's inconsistent treatment of the Turkish letters (converting Ö to O, but ü to ue) and previous outcomes for similarly mixed redirects. Sideways713 (talk) 18:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. This was created from Turist Ömer dümenciler krali, which is the original name of the subject. Turist Omer dumenciler krali is a good redirect, but this transliterates Ö → O but ü → ue and I can find nothing that doesn't originate with this redirect doing the same. Thryduulf (talk) 15:20, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Motoerhead (album)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Deryck C. 17:19, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Motoerhead (album)">Motoerhead (album) → Motörhead (album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Motoerhead_(album)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11). This is fairly obviously a eubot back-formation from a metal umlaut. Not a Germanic umlaut Si Trew (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Metal umlauts are not translisterated in this manner. Thryduulf (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Dëlëtë per nöm. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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Laeaenemeri
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Deryck C. 17:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Laeaenemeri → Baltic Sea (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laeaenemeri&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11) Back-formed from "". I think this is a very unlikely search term. English speakers are more likely to search, in whatever way they do, for "Baltic Sea". WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:48, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, While Laanemeri is undoubtedly a good redirect, I can find no evidence that this transliteration is ever used. Thryduulf (talk) 15:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hinnoey
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Huesnue Cakirgil
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Deryck C. 17:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Huesnue Cakirgil → Hüsnü Çakırgil (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Huesnue_Cakirgil&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11) not Germanic but Turkish Si Trew (talk) 00:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of use. Thryduulf (talk) 16:42, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Templo de A-Ma
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . The delete rationales make no sense to me. The Keep rationales, on the other hand, do make sense so I'm closing it as such. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Templo de A-Ma → A-Ma Temple (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Templo_de_A-Ma&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot). That's a bit half-and-half. It is of course marked as R from dias but there are no dias in the target, anyway.... It could be but I would say a Weak delete. Si Trew (talk) 00:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I presume (eubot) is supposed to mean this is some sort of mistake by user:eubot (a bot)? I wish Si Trew was clearer... It looks like one. *If* kept the correct template seems to be (pt, Portuguese; not ar, Arabic). It could be kept, because Portuguese is a official language in Macau. But I doubt we need such redirects, having the original official language names - in this case Portuguese and Mandarin(?) - in the article and letting the search engine find it should be enough. I'll add it next. See the diff, the Portuguese name ("Templo de A-Má" with a diacritic, which might explain the bots mixup) was already there but it had a wrong parameter name. So, weak delete. - Nabla (talk) 00:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, User:Nabla, because I list so many going through these stupid or not-so-stupid Eubot redirects I have to be quick in listing (I am not a bot) or we should never get done. I mean by (eubot) to give an indication that this comes from an enormous set of lists, totalling roughly thirty thousand, created by User:Eubot back in 2008.
 * For comparison, see WP:X1 for User:Neelix bur we haven't these concessions here, but if I may give you a standard kinda stupidity redirect from Neelix not Eubot, the deleted.
 * So sincerely excuse me for going quickly, if anything I am normally told off for being too verbose, but I sift, and along the way I think, I do WP:BEFORE, I keep a lot, and when I am not sure I list them at RfD because that is the only mechanism currently at RfD for me or anyone else to take some of the more stupid User:Eubot redirects out. On this one I was not sure, because I could se the Arabic, "A-Ma", and then the "Temple" being not very Arabic, and not very Portuguese, and so thought it was all a bit WP:NONSENSE really to put the three together (from, which I forgot to say).
 * They get you like that sometimes, you forget what language they were even intended to be, though I do check internally within Wikipedia, on a lot of occasions all roads lead back to Rome or maybe Lisbon. At that point I list, although having my wrist slapped, because my jjob as I see it is to sift and sort and say delete, keep, (very occasionally) boldly retarget. I cannot be expected, in my reasonable view, to find out it was used somewhere on Facebook once. (Not by you) and then say "oh, keep it then." I deliberately' do not look up any cultural backgrounds, languages etc of other editors because that would prejudice my going through these language redirects.
 * You asked for a longer answer, you got it :) Strongly delete. Now four different tongues in the sausage. Si Trew (talk) 05:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I just checked in my copy of English as She is Spoke. Apparently it is Portuguese. Not Arabic after all. :) Si Trew (talk) 05:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I lookedup your user page after I wrote that. I ususally wouldn't. It's good to have a Portuguese speaker here at RfD, because we haven't any others. I would not have recognised that as portuguese, at all (and I speak other Latinate languages. But most from Eubot are well I think actually this is the first I have found that has had a vague stab at Portuguese.) Si Trew (talk) 05:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Nothing in the article says that Macau is in China. I may have been influenced a little by listening to a very interesting programme as always, Word of Mouth, rebroadcast on the BBC World Service at about 3am this morning, at which the topic today was the names people give to other geographical areas, I listed this well before that but made me wonder. A few experts together in a quiet talk saying something they know about. There was some very quiet disagreement of why America was called America. The general consensus among the experts is that "-ia" is just what we call countries because, I am putting words in their mouths, it adds legitimacy, makes it a country. Fascinating programme, my toy monkey and I much enjoyed it. I recommed it to you. After that we had More for Less, which even though I can do graphs is explained in such a simple way. Ir ia very aoporific the BBC world service at that time of night. They slpped and said in Britain it is six minutes past three; I am only an hour ahead. They usually say "on this hour". Gone are the days of Lillibullero and "Twenty-three hundred hours Greenwich Mean Time". Gone are the days of the Radio 4 UK Theme, written by a German. Fritzs Spiegl. I suppose we have to modernise bt WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I like that tens of thousands of editors can give, and tens of billions of readers can take, the knowledge of this project Jmbo started. It will never be finished. But we can make it better, other people run marathons. I edit Wikipedia. I can't run a marathon, I can't run a bath without getting out of breadth. But I can add my knowledge and learning to Wikipedia. I cam't to the fiddles on articles any more, it takes me ages to get from my head to my fingers and I make mistakes, but I can stilll say no this is what it is. It is in my head it is just hard to get it to the keys right now. I don't want to put this on my edit page etc because it's too hard and I want regulars at RfD to know that, not I can't fiddle with RS and click of mouses and have seventeen tabs open. I can do the Eubot R's and let me do those, I can get those done. My bones hurt my back hurts i cough up blood my wife wont let me go to a hospital. My wife wont evem semd me any money to go to a hospital or the insurance details to do so but I would not get there without her and she is in salsyburg having her new career. So please excuse me for listing these eubot redirects but I am not sure how much energy is in me. I want to survive for a bit because the wife then gets an inheritance if i manage to survive a bit. I should not be saying this but you are my friends over the years. Please excuse lowercase it is not my style. 07:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

i do not have a phone or whatever she does not give me any money she can fix her teeth i have to work most of the time. to keep her in the manner she has become accomplished to. I am losing my words I know they are the wrong words accustomed to. Spending all my money. I am not stupid. I have lived in four different countries. She is a control freak and I am a depressive. It is not a good mix.


 * (I collapsed the last section of your reply because it looks long and only tangentially related - I hope that is OK. If not, hey, it's a wiki, undo it :)
 * The Portuguese part is only "Templo" (I guess the same exist is Spanish and maybe a few other Latin languages), "A-Má" is a Portuguese looking soundalike of the original Mandarin (?) name. (there surely is some technical name for that but I don't even know where to start looking for it :) Such a short word, I guess it looks like many things in many languages. - Nabla (talk) 13:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. Straight application of WP:DIACRITICS via the Portuguese name listed in the article.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:12, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. per Pater knight and WP:DIACRITICS. Thryduulf (talk) 16:44, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Marten Trotzigs Graend
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn as 'keep by nom, thanks to User:Hegvald for confirming that. (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 05:59, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Marten Trotzigs Graend → Mårten Trotzigs Gränd (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marten_Trotzigs_Graend&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11) Again, normally I would keep this as as a straight R from dia, but I am not sure we should mess around with surnames like this. Graend is red, Si Trew (talk) 00:39, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Harmless and possibly helpful. In any case, no surname has been messed with here, as the surname in question includes no diacritics. --Hegvald (talk) 06:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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Caitiff (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Keep and restore disambiguation page at target. (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  11:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Caitiff (disambiguation)">Caitiff (disambiguation) → Caitiff (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caitiff_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target is not a disambiguation page. I'm unsure if WP:G6 or WP:G8 apply here, and at any rate I'm the one that replaced the former dab page at the target so it would be inappropriate for me to also delete the redirect without a discussion. No pages link to this, and the only pages that link to the former dab are userspace drafts. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:23, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and restore DAB. The first two entries are valid DAB entries per WP:DABMENTION and the last two can be in a "See also" section. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:14, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * 'Re-DAB as above. This is blocking me, I think there is Kaitiff and Kaliph and [Caliph]] and so on in the see also section, but you may feel they're tooo far out. I think in typographyer's slang there is a "cut if", essentially a top ascender taken out of an ffs ligature, but not sure. Just trying to add to the dab. A good 80% if them will be nonsense. Just trying to think of things we could add to build the DAB. Si Trew (talk) 06:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep and restore dab per Patar knight. Thryduulf (talk) 16:47, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Gyoergy Martinuzzi
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:14, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Gyoergy Martinuzzi → George Martinuzzi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gyoergy_Martinuzzi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). He was known by many names but this wasn't one of them. This is a back-formation from Hungarian by Eubot. Si Trew (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, the source redirect György Martinuzzi is good because the article states in the first line that this is one of the names he was known by, and Gyorgy Martinuzzi is desirable per WP:DIACRITICS. However, I can find no uses of "Gyoergy Martinuzzi" that don't originate with this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Kroev
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  (non-admin closure)   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Kroev → Kröv (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kroev&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot list 11). Consensus is usually to keep creations by eubot in Germanic language, and indeed this is; a place in Germany in fact, but I am not sure when it comes to place names we should make them up. Without anything I can find this is used in real life except backlinks to WP, I am going WP:RFD, not at target. Si Trew (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The only other article to mention a Krov is linked from the current page. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd be with you in general, but I dunno, something sticks in my gullet about this. I don't think we should be making up place-names. WP:NOTATLAS, but I dunno, just something doesn't sit right with me with this one. Krakov and so on are too far a way to be easily mistaken (I mean on the keyboard, not geographically), something just feels wrong to me with this. Were it not for Eubot creating it we would not have it. Nobody has gone "oh, let's overwrite that with some content". But some editors get a bit scared to overwrite thse kinds of things even though it is positively encouraged. Something just doesn't sit right with me. But it's probably a keep, but for now, I'm staying with delete. Si Trew (talk) 08:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, standard German way to avoid typing an ö. Sadly, we don't have an article about the world's best named vineyards, Kröver Nacktarsch. —Kusma (t·c) 06:45, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Kusma and Patar knight. Thryduulf (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Varosi es Elovarosi Kozlekedesi Egyesulet
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:14, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Varosi es Elovarosi Kozlekedesi Egyesulet → Urban and Suburban Transit Association (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Varosi_es_Elovarosi_Kozlekedesi_Egyesulet&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) This kind of makes sense, except without the accents in Hungarian it doesn't. We can't really mark it as because it makes no sense in Hungarian, where accents are important ("es" and "és" mean different things, the latter means "and") The rest of it well to be honest it is nonsense. It is not a R from title without diacritics, it is R from foreign language, but eye-wateringly wrong in that language. Delete Si Trew (talk) 00:04, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want an off-the-cuff translation "Town and country transport provider", but it is a very bad back-formation. The accents in Hungarian are important, without them, it is nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. WP:DIACRITICS. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:18, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not that, really, User:Patar knight. I know in some languages diacritics might be seen as just little fiddly niceties at the tops of letters, but in others such as Hungarian (and Turkish, as in the classic case of Turkish dotless I) they make a substantial difference in meaning. If you looked up Hungarian alphabet you would find these are not considered even diacritics but separate letters. For that reason I say delete. It would be like, in English, redirecting "Ford" to "Fjord", to give an analogy (probably not a good one). It is kinda nonsense in Hungarian and nonsense in English. Considering its length, I can't see someone typing or searching this way. WP doesn't have it, but it wouldn't because it is far more particular about diacritics (for the reasons I have just stated). Si Trew (talk) 08:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, redirects are harmless and I see this all the time when English speakers, clueless about diacritics and their meaning or purpose, simply remove them (often in directory listings and such) leaving nonsense behind. I agree it's non-sense and unlikely search term, but it does no harm. Renata (talk) 17:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Right. Let's assume your name is Renata. So "Reenata" in Spanish makes sense, even though it is a bit iffy, and in Italian "Reenata" makes sense, even though it is a bit iffy. It is not a question of diacritics. These are not diacritics these are different letters, as per Hungarian alphabet. They do not just have fiddly bits on the top for decoration. They not only sound different but mean different, so it is a question of turning something into nonsense.
 * I'm going to rephrase this. I owe an aplogy to User:Renata, who is Edinborgeouise. This is purely from a linguistic background of finno-ugric language. I will say the same thing, but not quite as nastily. I should not have been so nasty, excuse my nem tudom beszélek estiaul.
 * I know I don't put much on my talk page because I have been hurt before. Badly. I am English and live in Hungary. I know they are only distantly related. I should like to give you an analogy. Were I to turn in English, "" into " or into, would that be OK? No it wouldn't.
 * Were I to start making Lallans redirects into Hungarian and translating them back to my Cockney accent, dropping all my Ts and Hs on the floor, would that be OK, Just because you hear people say it every day does not make it right. Many people come here to learn English. It is not fair on them to be given crappy Hungarian that is not Hungarian.
 * Transliterations, fine, but this isn't one. You can't do that. You can do that with a reasonable search term, but this is too far out. That is like saying that "Thighs" is the same as "Tights". You can't do that. The "Th" sound ((front dental plostive) is especially difficult for Hungarians, just like the various back vowel sounds and rhotic front vowel sounds are hard for me with my rather cockney accent. It does not make sense written'. For if not, since I rarely pronounce a T, let's have a glottal stop and take out every T or TT out of Wikipedia just because I don't say them. We can take out all the aitches as well because I drop them, they're scattered all over the floor. No need for em.
 * I am sorry to be rude if you check the history. I was trying to explain but can explain quite a bit too vigorously sometimes. Si Trew (talk) 06:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * delete, the Hungarian name is in the article, the search engine can find it, no need to confuse readers/searches, giving them apparentlly two targets which are actually only one. - Nabla (talk) 13:23, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. While Városi és Elovárosi Közlekedési Egyesület exists as a redirect (and as the native name it should) this should also exist to assist people searching for the article. Thryduulf (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Eoers Szathmary
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:12, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Eoers Szathmary → Eörs Szathmáry (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eoers_Szathmary&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Not Germanic but Hungarian. Si Trew (talk) 00:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep gets uses, e.g. and .  uses the mixed "Eoers Szathmáry" which would definitely be rendered as "Eoers Szathmary" by many non-native speakers. Thryduulf (talk) 17:00, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Pi1 Booetis
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:11, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Pi1 Booetis → Pi Boötis (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pi1_Booetis&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot, list 11). We have had a recent discussion I think on a different target, but I imagine that "Boeetis" would not be kind on astronomers. Si Trew (talk) 00:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 February 20, Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 February 11, Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 25 and other similar discussions. Sideways713 (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment One was kept (or perhaps recreated?) from first discussion, two from the second, none from the third. Thanks for finding then, User:Sideways713. Si Trew (talk) 06:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
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