Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 29

April 29
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 29, 2017.

History of Iberia
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate as proposed  .  Deryck C. 11:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * History of Iberia → History of Iberia (airline) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Iberia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As can be seen in a recent discussion at WP:RDH ( and ), this redirect leads to awkwardnesses as people expect History of Iberia to cover the history of Iberia, not the history of a company that operates flying machines. At the same time, I'm slightly uncomfortable retargeting this to Iberian Peninsula, since it's just a section and not an entire article, and equally uncomfortable creating a disambiguation page for the airline and the peninsula. So which of these three options is best: keep, retarget, or disambiguate? Nyttend (talk) 10:49, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, there's one more Iberia with a history, this time in the Caucasus, and the relevant content is spread across several articles, all listed at Iberia (disambiguation). – Uanfala (talk) 14:52, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It might be okay to redirect to Iberia (disambiguation) as it presents readers with different options concerning histories of Iberia. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:56, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I suppose I should have, but I don't remember ever hearing of the Iberia in the Caucasus.  Nyttend (talk) 17:10, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: A draft dab page could help resolve this discussion. Would it be different enough from Iberia (disambiguation)?
 * Create dab page in the manner of History of America. The proposed disambiguation page will by necessity include quite a motley of article titles, which is unlikely to please those who take MOS:DAB to heart, but I don't see a better way of serving our readers. – Uanfala (talk) 22:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Create dab In a rational world, this would go directly to an article or section on the history of the peninsula, and certainly not the airline (which is absurd). But the Iberia article has no unified history section (actually, I see it does now), and Uanfala has a very good point about Caucasian Iberia. μηδείς (talk) 01:51, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per above and link from Iberia (disambiguation). Many possible uses. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:39, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * There is precious little at History of Iberia (airline) (and even less that is sourced) that should not/could not be better or more appropriately covered within the main article about the airline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.31 (talk) 00:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:49, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, the new dab page would have the same content as the first section of Iberia (disambiguation) plus the airline. I was tempted to think that deletion would be best, to encourage the creation of an article about the primary topic of the history of the Iberian peninsula, but then the search results wouldn't be of much help. – Uanfala (talk) 09:23, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I've been ambivalent between the three choices, personally. I do agree that a separate disambiguation would allow a more direct link to History of Iberia (airline). I'll try drafting a dab myself and go from there. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've drafted one. There's a lot of overlap as I basically copy-and-pasted the relevant entries and piped to the relevant sections. I do see how that would be more helpful than a straight retarget though, most of the noise has been reduced. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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Abu Ivanka
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus, default to "do nothing".  We've established in this discussion that the phrase is a positive one, so it doesn't meet WP:G10 and isn't a WP:BLP violation. It's also been established that there are plenty of sources to attest the nickname. However, the phrase still isn't mentioned at the nickname list, and from glancing at the history and talk page of the list, I'm unsure whether it would stick. There isn't consensus to delete it, so that leaves the status quo. This is without prejudice against retargeting if someone wants to try to add the phrase to the nickname list. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Abu Ivanka → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abu_Ivanka&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Non-notable nickname, if this was mentioned at List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States (it currently isn't), it should point there, but many editors have inserted names on that article and had removed, unsure if this is a deragatory name (i.e. WP:G10). -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. It's been reported on by reliable sources., ,  Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Which still isn't helpful for it isn't mentioned in the target, or in fact anywhere else in the mainspace aside from this redirect, I'd be wary of inserting a mention in an article due to the WP:WEIGHT concerns and could largely be WP:TRIVIA, see Talk:List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States for similar discussion. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 02:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * So add it to List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States and retarget it to the Trump section. The term gets a lot of mention in news sources, and it seems the use of the term itself is positive.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Curious though that the sources provided are all from UK? AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * All reliable though. Other countries do mention it as well, The Times of India, and Daily Beast/RealClearPolitics.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Zambian Americans
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 00:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Zambian Americans → Category:American people of Zambian descent (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zambian_Americans&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Non-notable ethnic group. No reliable or significant coverage. Alexander Iskandar (talk) 07:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note I created this from rationale at Articles for deletion/Zambian Americans as this is a redirect not an article. ~ GB fan a "frantic, furious ball of anger" 10:04, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The nomination seems more like a rationale to delete the category than the redirect. I have no opinion about whether the category should exist, but while it does the redirect is fine. Thryduulf (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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The Lake (2016 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 23:29, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The Lake (2016 film) → Renegades (2017 film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Lake_(2016_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Film not released in 2016. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * According to the article, this was the provisional title, and the originally announced release year. I really don't know how the meshwork of film redirects operates, but I'm wondering if this isn't enough of a reason to keep. – Uanfala (talk) 20:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If this helps any, The Lake (2017 film) also exists as a redirect to Renegades (2017 film). Steel1943  (talk) 21:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, in the past, there have been a few related RFD discussions where the redirect was deleted since the disambiguator contained a year which the media item (usually "film" or "video game") was not released and could not be released in that year anymore since that year was in the past. Steel1943  (talk) 23:54, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete the issue is that it was a working title for both 2016 and 2017 and never manifested as an actual release or even a film festival screening under such title. So this would be a failed crystal. The entry could be added to The Lake (disambiguation) as: The Lake, the working title of the film Renegades (2017 film). AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:08, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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