Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 August 6

August 6
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 6, 2017.

Sweden in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  as G7. The author has requested deletion and there's no other substantial edit history. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:45, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Sweden in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015 → Sweden in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sweden_in_the_Junior_Eurovision_Song_Contest_2015&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects for "Country in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest Year" articles are not made if the country did not participate that year. This is because the existence of these redirects affects the infoboxes of the country's participation in other years. Take Sweden in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2014 for example. If the 2015 redirect didn't exist, the infobox wouldn't provide a link to the supposed 2015 participation that never happened. — Tuxipεdia ( talk ) 21:17, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: I only made the redirect because at the time Sweden had confirmed participation, they later withdrew afterwards. No need for it now. { [ ( jjj   1238 ) ] }  21:39, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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Paul Donovan (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 02:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Paul Donovan (film) → Paul Donovan (writer) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Donovan_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Confusing and implausible disambiguator, not useful to maintain as a redirect. "Film" is for things that are films, not things that are people who make films; he already has a redirect from the more appropriate disambiguator "filmmaker" as well, so this isn't necessary. The article wasn't started at this title, which instead results from somebody trying to move the "filmmaker" version of the title to this on the obviously incorrect grounds that "filmmaker" isn't a word, so there's no GFDL-based reason to keep it for attribution of the original edits. Bearcat (talk) 18:25, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I agree that this redirect gives the impression that there is a film titled "Paul Donovan." Also, it looks like this only received minimal traffic in the 90 days prior to this nomination. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
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Spähpanzer Ru 251
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 02:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Spähpanzer Ru 251 → Kanonenjagdpanzer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A4hpanzer_Ru_251&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete This was the subject of an article deletion (discussion) and the target does not discuss the thing, because there are no sources other than a gaming site— at least, nothing we found usable. There was an actual Spähpanzer SP I.C. which is somewhat like the description that this redirect overwrites, but again it isn't clear that they were thought by anyone to be the same thing in the real world. Mangoe (talk) 16:38, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete closest I could find was a suggestion that a vehicle with that name was designed as variant of the Kannonejadgpanzer - hence the redirect when article was recreated - but that turned into a fools errand to find a reliable enough source. Is there a way to keep an eye on a non-existent article name to be aware if article is recreated? GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If you leave it on your watchlist it will show up there if it is recreated. Mangoe (talk) 23:01, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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Template:PermissionOTRSOnly
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . It doesn't seem like any OTRS folks care. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 02:24, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Template:PermissionOTRSOnly → Template:OTRS permission (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:PermissionOTRSOnly&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

unused, implausible, needlessly confusing  F ASTILY   05:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Highly unlikely template redirect. KGirlTrucker81  (Wanna chat?) 12:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep unless the OTRS folks want it to be deleted. Maybe it gets used temporarily and then removed, so you wouldn't see it in use if you looked at the wrong time.  I'll leave them a note.  Nyttend (talk) 04:09, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

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Jewish progressivism
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to Jewish left.


 * Jewish progressivism → Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_progressivism&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible, misleading redirect; unrelated to article. Please delete. AddMore-III (talk) 11:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Just tried to correct a submission - I have no idea whether this is justified or not.PRehse (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --George AKA Caliburn &middot; (Talk &middot; Contribs &middot; CentralAuth &middot; Log) 12:05, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete or redirect to Jewish left. While Reform Judaism is sometimes called Progressive Judaism, to my ears "Jewish progressivism" evokes political progressivism among Jews, not Progressive Judaism. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. May legitimately refer to either Reform Judaism or Jewish left. Also, you may want to see this discussion: Talk:Reform Judaism.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 00:10, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per Mr. Guye. f  e  minist  09:53, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not censored.
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  per CSD G7 and the below request. G7 allows deletion if people other than the creator have edited the page as long as the alterations aren't significant, they weren't in this case.  Hut 8.5  20:16, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not censored. → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_censored.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

R for implausible spelling mistake. Who on Earth types a period at the end of a WP query? At the same time not seeing the non-period one suggested? Gaioa (talk) 10:47, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete What can I say? I was a moron back in 2007 and made a lot of pointless redirects. And this is one of them. I would speedy delete it myself, but since I wasn't the only one who edited I don't think it would qualify. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 03:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
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Rashtriya Hindu Sena
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 19:48, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Rashtriya Hindu Sena → Sri Ram Sena (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rashtriya_Hindu_Sena&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No evidence that this is actually an alternative term for the target. Vanamonde (talk) 10:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment are they the same organization? Rashtriya Hindu Sena seems to be led by Pramod Muthalik     and so does Sri Ram Sena  .  Whether or not it's really a parent organization of Sri Ram Sena would require further research. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment: It's cited at Pramod Muthalik that Rashtriya Hindu Sena is the parent organisation of the Sri Ram Sena. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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Virginia shooting
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget both to Category:Deaths by firearm in Virginia. Ruslik_ Zero 20:04, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Virginia shooting → Virginia Tech shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virginia_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Virginia shootings → Virginia Tech shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virginia_shootings&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is vague, the Virginia Tech shooting isn't the only notable Virginia shooting. I found some examples in Category:Murder in Virginia. A few states do have a list, such as List of shootings in Colorado, but I was unable to find one for Virginia. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:24, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation page and move - The 2017 Congressional baseball shooting has a significant claim to being an alternative target of this redirect. Add New_River_Community_College and First Battle of Saltville, and a see also to List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States. Virginia is now catching up to other US states in blockbuster shootings, so move the list to List of Virginia shootings. - Richard Cavell (talk) 09:42, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Are there similar pages for other states, though, I wonder? CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * I also support the creation of a disambiguation page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete or retarget to a content category, the category being something such as Category:Deaths by firearm in Virginia. Why mention First Saltville but not Second, or any other battles for that matter?  Most land battles in the Eastern Theater of the American Civil War were fought here (plus some battles in the American Revolution), and "Virginia shooting" would cover any of those, with the possible exception of the occasional sabres-only cavalry battle.  Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Category redirect per Nyttend. f  e  minist  04:55, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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ِAt-Turtushi
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 * The result of the discussion was keep At-Turtushi, AlRay AlAam, and Anbaralum; delete the rest. (WP:NPASR, individually)  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 02:19, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="ِAt-Turtushi">ِAt-Turtushi → At-Turtushi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%90At-Turtushi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="َAnbaralum">%D9%8EAnbaralum → Anbar Olum (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%8EAnbaralum&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="%D9%90Dariush_Farziaei">%D9%90Dariush_Farziaei → Dariush Farziaei      [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="%D9%90Ahmed_Saleh">%D9%90Ahmed_Saleh → Ahmed Saleh (table tennis)      [ Closure:  ]
 * %D9%90AlRay AlAam → AlRay AlAam      [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="%D9%8DSayf_al-Daula">%D9%8DSayf_al-Daula → Sayf al-Dawla      [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="%D9%8DEbrahim_Abadi">%D9%8DEbrahim_Abadi → Ebrahim Abadi      [ Closure:  ]

Delete implausible redirects. 78.95.69.28 (talk) 05:22, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete most. In all cases, the redirects combine Latin letters with Arabic diacritics (either kasra, fatḥah or kasratan). These are all likely typos and very improbable as such. Ultimately, all these redirects should be deleted. However, for the time being I think the following should be kept as recent R from move's: ِAt-Turtushi (article at this title from 2013 until 2017), ِAlRay AlAam (between 2015 and 2016), and possibly َAnbaralum (article at this title between 2009 and 2011). The rest should be deleted as they have been the pre-move titles of articles for only a couple of weeks (ِDariush Farziaei back in 2015) or hours (the rest). – Uanfala 08:55, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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Desert Archaic Culture
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'Murica
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of U.S. nicknames.  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  04:24, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * 'Murica → wiktionary:'Murica (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%27Murica&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suggestion from WP:RFPP (see Rolling Archive when applicable), redirect to United States per WP:NCPLACE. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:01, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. Murica is currently a redirect to Murcia as a R from misspelling per multiple WP:RFD discussions with similar results (3 discussions to be exact: see Talk:Murica for the list of discussions.) Steel1943  (talk) 02:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Question Does the apostrophe at the beginning cause technical problems? I vaguely remember some earlier redirect noms that started with apostrophes and were deleted because they screwed up searching or something like that. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:14, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem to be causing any problems for me. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:16, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * See Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 20. In a nutshell, you are probably thinking of consecutive apostrophes since they unintentionally cause wiki markup. Steel1943  (talk) 04:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, looks like this isn't the same problem. I'd say retarget like all the others. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment should it go to List of U.S. nicknames with and  ? . <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:45, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support retarget; it's the term one often uses when portraying simple but patriotic 'muricans. The apostrophe is important because it signifies the omission of the "A", and as noted above, one of them by itself won't cause markup problems.  Nyttend (talk) 00:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of U.S. nicknames, which can be expanded with info about the usage of the term. The term is too specific and apparently loaded with connotations to be redirected to United States. – Uanfala 20:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The current target is where someone can get the most information about the nickname. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:08, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: South Park makes no mention of the nickname at all. I ran a Google search for it and it turned up nothing. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * That's an easy fix, it has been removed. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The one-line entry at wiktionary can easily be copied (and expanded upon) to List of U.S. nicknames, which currently only has a mention of the term. Redirects should be targeted to wiktionary only if there doesn't exist relevant content on wikipedia. – Uanfala 12:32, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on when to target to Wiktionary, but it's hard to imagine what's currently at List of U.S. nicknames being considered "content". -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:15, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to List of U.S. nicknames, which includes this term. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:20, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget - I agree with AngusWOOF. It's easy to believe that someone will type this in, not being sure what it refers to. - Richard Cavell (talk) 14:13, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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