Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 11

December 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 11, 2017.

Problem Solvers
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 11:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Problem Solvers → The Problem Solverz (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Problem_Solvers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A quick Google search for “problem solvers” indicates that problem solving is closer. Problem solving is a universal skill while The Problem Solverz is a TV show. 165.91.13.168 (talk) 19:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak retarget to The Problem Solvers episode of 30 Rock which also hatnotes to The Problem Solverz. If that's not notable then delete, but the capital S in Solvers implies the user is looking for media of such names instead of problem solving in general. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:27, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Between the TV episode and the series.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per Zxcvbnm, but also add Problem solving to the page. ToThAc (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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Earth (Ace Combat)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 20%23Earth (Ace Combat)

Elena, Maria
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G7, by .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:23, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Elena, Maria → María Elena (song) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elena,_Maria&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article, moved from Maria Elena which is where the redirect originally pointed to, is about a song, so I don't think it would be a sort name. Peter James (talk) 18:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedied, not a sort name. bd2412  T 19:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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Why women hate me
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Why women hate me → Misandry (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Why_women_hate_me&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Completely unlikely target of a search, and inflammatory to boot –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 18:46, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought it does actually partially direct to at least hate (as a male target for hatred) and considering the possibility of someone at a future time typing the exact words into the search, would be a functional and effective redirect; as a similar function, to a search engine, but with an exact return. 23h112e (talk) 18:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_December_11#Why_Abraham_Lincoln_won 23h112e (talk) 18:54, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * c.f. the Buddha shows the way http://www.buddhanet.net/dhammapada/d_path.htm Verse 276. Buddhas Only Shows The Way - both redirects don't really answer the question, but they indicate a possible way to the truth (i.e. navigation), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Buddhism/Selected_quote/8 23h112e (talk) 19:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * is though gender biased to male, does show misogyny at the first heading 23h112e (talk) 19:07, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete as nonsense. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  19:09, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Redirect implies the only reason women hate men is because they are misandrist. Misleading and confusing, biased to boot.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:16, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete by ZXCVBNM's reasoning, plus there's no reason to assume the reader is male. Raymond1922 (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Keep in mind that this isn't CSD eligible for it does not WP:G1, however delete per WP:R 5 nonsense. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:34, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Militaries of Ace Combat
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Militaries of Ace Combat → Ace Combat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Militaries_of_Ace_Combat&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The main article says nothing about any of the militaries of the Ace Combat countries. Therefore, the redirect is misleading and unnecessary. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I don't see anything in the setting that describes the military groups or governments. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:28, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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United States 2008 Presidential Election'
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * United States 2008 Presidential Election' → United States presidential election, 2008 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_2008_Presidential_Election%27&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Given the apostrophe at the end. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 10:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - As implausible redirect.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Likely created in error.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete '  Implausible. Note that United States 2008 Presidential Election does not exist, but someone could create it. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
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United State presidential campaign 2008
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * United State presidential campaign 2008 → United States presidential election, 2008 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_State_presidential_campaign_2008&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per WP:RTYPO. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 10:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete As implausible redirect.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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Why Abraham Lincoln won
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Why Abraham Lincoln won → United States presidential election, 1860 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Why_Abraham_Lincoln_won&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I may be wrong but aren't redirects that pose questions usually deleted? Not sure whether this one is very helpful. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 10:18, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "Why did Abraham Lincoln win?" would be a question. "Why Abraham Lincoln won" is a statement answering it. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course, scratch that part.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 10:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable media title, not seen in book or song. This isn't If I Did It. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:15, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think this title is significant enough to mandate a redirect.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:09, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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U...ntial election, 1960
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * U...ntial election, 1960 → United States presidential election, 1960 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=U...ntial_election,_1960&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Quite an unlikely search term. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 10:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete As highly implausible redirect.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * D...e per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:16, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Hi..ly imp.....ble; w.y w...d an..ne se..ch f.r t..s? Seriously though, including dots and dashes in a redirect isn't very plausible. ToThAc (talk) 16:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and DAFTify as a ridiculous redirect, indeed. 165.91.13.28 (talk) 17:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - It's nonsense. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
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丁
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:23, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


 * 丁 → 一 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E4%B8%81&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

丁 or ding which is one of the four heavenly stems, has a different meaning than "一“ yi which means one. This redirect should be deleted. Goveganplease (talk) 15:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate as Chinese title disambiguation for Ding (surname) and Celestial stems (either of which would be a valid R from alternative language if the other didn't exist). I agree with nominator that redirecting Chinese characters to their radical is unhelpful to readers. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 00:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget I didn't realize that Ding (surname) was a page. This particular 汉字 should just be redirected to that surname page instead. Goveganplease (talk) 19:06, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Couldn't this be targeted to Ding (surname) and that article expanded with a mention of the character being a Celestial stem, thus accommodating both possible targets? Or are both topics equally likely to be sought by readers? – Uanfala (talk) 00:56, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Good question; not sure. Celestial stem gets about 2-3x as many views as Ding (surname), though of course not all viewers of celestial stem went there looking for 丁. FWIW, zh:丁 is a disambiguation page for the surname, the stem, and Vietnam's Đinh Dynasty; ja:丁 is an article about the stem, with a hatnote for a dab page (though both zh and ja have separate articles for each stem, whereas en doesn't). We also have other minor topics for 丁, e.g. its use in kanbun. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:13, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate with Ding (surname) and Celestial stem as targets. f eminist 15:45, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, add a Wiktionary link. f eminist 13:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Dabify and add wiktionary link per feminist -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate with Ding (surname) and Celestial stem, maybe also Dinh (surname) and Đinh dynasty. -Zanhe (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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V2 (Ace Combat)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="V2 (Ace Combat)">V2 (Ace Combat) → Ace Combat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=V2_(Ace_Combat)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention of anything V2 related in the target page. Unnecessary redirect. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * delete Is this really going to be a search parameter anyone will use?Slatersteven (talk) 09:57, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete this was one of the missiles or something in the game. Too detailed for here as it isn't mentioned as a notable item for the franchise article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable gameplay feature -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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Ace Combat Controls
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Ace Combat Controls → Ace Combat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ace_Combat_Controls&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The controls of the game are not listed in the page, therefore the redirect serves no purpose. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:09, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * delete Is this really going to be a search parameter anyone will use?Slatersteven (talk) 09:57, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete not a game guide. Not described on the franchise page. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:19, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree. Wikipedia is not a game guide. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
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