Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 30

December 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 30, 2017.

Capital of Israel
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Aervanath (talk) 21:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Capital of Israel → Jerusalem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capital_of_Israel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect targets Jerusalem#Jerusalem as capital of Israel. I'm surprised this doesn't have its own article. There is an ongoing dispute about what this title refers to ("It's Jerusalem!" "No, it's Tel Aviv!" "No, it's just West Jerusalem!" "No, there is no capital of Israel because Israel is not a country!"). It just seems POV to have this page redirect to Jerusalem, even if it does go to an appropriate section, because it still suggests that Wikipedia thinks that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Shouldn't this become an article or something? &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 16:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment this redirect was at Positions on Jerusalem from 2011 until this month. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:19, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was redirected to the "positions" article in June 2010. wbm1058 (talk) 00:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Positions on Jerusalem per WP:SPECIFICLINK. This more focused and detailed content was split from article Jerusalem in 2006. This is "its own article". If that content is redundant (it sure does take a lot of text to answer a deceptively simple question like "what it the capital of Israel?") then merge that article back into the parent article on Jerusalem. The appropriate section in the parent article is, as that's where the hatnote to the sub-article is. The section summary shouldn't be significantly different than the sub-article lead section. Capital of Palestine also redirects to Positions on Jerusalem. On the other hand, the "positions" article could be split into separate "capitals of" articles, as Capital of Germany and Capital of Japan. – wbm1058 (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep this redirect was to Jerusalem, the paragraph containing a neutral POV on the issue. It is mentioning the UN Resolutions and condemnations, it also stated there is no Embassies in Jerusalem. Any other redirect would suggest that Israel has no capital city. The redirect should refer to the article of the city and not to external one. The "Jerusalem as capital of Israel" paragraph is fine. Sokuya (talk) 08:03, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Jerusalem already amply discusses issues other countries have with Israel's designation.Icewhiz (talk) 09:32, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:07, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. As Icewhiz said above me. The article itself already disscusts the given conflicts. דוב (talk) 11:55, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect back to the Positions on Jerusalem per Wbm1058: redirects should go the most specific relevant article. Also, this has been the redirect's most stable target over the years. – Uanfala (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect back to the 'Positions on Jerusalem' article since that seems to give the most context and provide the most specific, stable target. It should be pointed out once again that 'Capital of Palestine' also goes to that page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep – I approve the rationale given by when they  in December: Though it exists as a controversy, redirection to the "Positions of Jerusalem" article does not characterize the disagreement as well as the "Capital of Israel" section does in the Jerusalem article. A country's choice of its own capital should be the natural target of "Capital of Country X". Because of the disputes and lack of international recognition, we, aptly called "Jerusalem as capital of Israel". Meanwhile, the article "Positions on Jerusalem" lists what various nations think of Jerusalem, not only as capital of Israel, but also as capital of a future Palestinian state, with historical details on the East/West divide, and much more. This complex article does not directly answer the question "what is the capital of Israel?" The section Jerusalem does answer properly and neutrally. — JFG talk 22:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per JFG. I suppose it's easy to feel distant when you're on the other side of the world, but the fact of the matter is we have a sovereign state who exercises control over a city and calls it its capital. It feels silly, then, if a reader effectively asks us "What's the capital of Israel?" to answer "Well, um, you see, there are a lot of different positions countries have taken about Jerusalem, and..." I appreciate that there are further complexities there, but this seems the most useful configuration for readers. --BDD (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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"Z" Is for Zero
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 04:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * "Z" Is for Zero → Kinsey Millhone (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%22Z%22_Is_for_Zero&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Z Is for Zero → Kinsey Millhone (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Z_Is_for_Zero&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deletion of both. Author of expected novel has died without starting it and family will not complete the series nor allow ghostwriting.  Wylie pedia  16:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:R they aid searches on certain terms. The statistics demonstrate that these are enormously plausible search terms (the version with "Z" gets a dozen hits per day and then suddenly spiked to 2000 on news of her death). Since the novel will never be completed, it is very unlikely to ever get its own article, so the logical place for content about it is at the current target (unless someone can suggest a better one). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment There is a section in the series article that discusses Z is for Zero. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:15, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per 59.149.— PinkAmpers  &#38;  ( Je vous invite à me parler )  16:00, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per 59.149 and per AngusWOOF who I assume is referring to the current target, as there does not seem to be a separate article for the "alphabet series". Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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安倍晋三
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 04:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * 安倍晋三 → Shinzō Abe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E5%AE%89%E5%80%8D%E6%99%8B%E4%B8%89&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:USEENGLISH. Implausible redirect from Japanese original Chinese translation of Japanese name. Equivalent article exists in Japanese and Chinese Wikipedia. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 16:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, as nom says it's hard to see what purpose this might be serving. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per WP:FORRED, numerous past RFD precedents and the thousands of other similar redirects in Category:Redirects from Japanese-language terms. This is not a "Chinese translation of Japanese", this is correct Japanese. (If the wrong character variants are showing up on your system and 安倍 looks like the Chinese version, "thank" Han unification and your OS designer; in any case the underlying codepoints are the same.) 59.149.124.29 (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per IP. Unless our Wikipedia article is wrong, this is his Japanese name. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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迷宮組曲
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 04:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * 迷宮組曲 → Milon's Secret Castle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%BF%B7%E5%AE%AE%E7%B5%84%E6%9B%B2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:USEENGLISH. Implausible redirect from Japanese original Chinese title. Equivalent article exists in Japanese Wikipedia. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 16:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, as nom says it's hard to see what purpose this might be serving. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Original language of the subject can redirect as 台北 redirect to TaipeiUY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk) 16:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * True, however this applies to original language of the subject. The titles introduced are actually Chinese and redirect to Japanese topics. In such case, cross wikipedia language links are better (which exist for both topics.pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 16:52, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, this is the short name in Japanese, without the subtitle. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 16:59, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per WP:FORRED, numerous past RFD precedents and the thousands of other similar redirects in Category:Redirects from Japanese-language terms. This is not a "Chinese translation of Japanese", this is correct Japanese. (If the wrong character variants are showing up on your system and 宮 and 組 look like the Chinese versions, "thank" Han unification and your OS designer; in any case the underlying codepoints are the same.) 59.149.124.29 (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per IP above. This is the base title in Japanese kanji, which uses the Chinese script, but is not Chinese. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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Black Republican
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 09:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Black Republican → List of African-American Republicans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Republican&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suggest retargeting to Black Republicans. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment the dab page should probably be at Black Republican rather than Black Republicans per WP:DABNAME (Singulars are preferred to plurals). Though I'm not exactly sure what there is to disambiguate. Negro Republican Party? Black-and-tan faction? A bunch of WP:DABMENTIONs like Black Republican PAC and Black Republican (song) and Black Republican cherry (see Bing cherry)? OTOH the redirect seems to have a bit of a WP:INUSA problem, though I'm not sure if other countries also have other notable groups called "Black Republicans". 59.149.124.29 (talk) 04:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that the dab should be at Black Republican per WP:DABNAME. It's not a proper dab as it is, though. One blue link per line in disambiguation, per WP:DDD and it needs a better link to the most specific article on the topic, plus additional line items as mentioned by the IP. This is a bit complicated, and not easy to discuss, so I'm going to make some bold changes, including merging the singular and plural version histories, trusting that my changes will be accepted. wbm1058 (talk) 23:50, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I've created a proper dab at Black Republican (disambiguation). This may be moved over the top of Black Republican. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I also support moving the contents of 'Black Republican (disambiguation)' over to 'Black Republican' itself. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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Christmas in the United States
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 6%23Christmas in the United States

Eesti Merelevandus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 23:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Eesti Merelevandus → Estonian Shipping Company (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eesti_Merelevandus&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

requesting deletion as the redirect is based on a typo - the correct phrase is "Eesti Merelaevandus", which has been correctly redirected. should not qualify for speedy deletion under R3 as the redirect is five years old. Ashela (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Searches for this term show mainly wikipedia shadow sites with no notable news articles confusing this as a typo. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Yeah delete, nothing really outside of mirrors of wikipedia. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:45, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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