Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 5

December 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 5, 2017.

Tea shops
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Teahouse. Any proposed merge can be discussed separately. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:48, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Tea shops → Teahouse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tea_shops&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  f
 * Tea shop → Tearoom (UK and US) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tea_shop&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Teashop → Tearoom (UK and US) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teashop&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These two redirects have different targets, which is problematic. f eminist 10:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment added teashop. Also possibly of significance to this discussion: is a redirect to teahouse. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 10:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect all to Teahouse since it covers all tea shops, tea houses, and tearooms with the exception of the British and American variant, which seems to be on another page for some reason. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep, and point all redirects to Teahouse.
 * Merge Tearoom (UK and US) into Teahouse. --Ne0 (talk) 07:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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Bhesan
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  as per 's proposal. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:49, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Bhesan → Surat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bhesan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as erroneous and per WP:REDLINK. Bhesan, not Bhestan (which actually does seem to be in Surat), seems to be a city not part of Surat, but rather on the other side of the Gulf of Khambhat. Steel1943 (talk) 02:32, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Junagadh district which mentions a Bhesan taluka. There is a Bhesan Village in Chorasi Tensil, Surat, but it is not mentioned in the article. If it is notable to add, then this can be a two dab. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:43, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment – There are three places in India which are named Bhesan. Bhesan (sub-district) & Bhesan (village) are in Junagadh district, whereas Bhesan, Surat is in Surat district. As all of them are populated place which are legally recognized by the government of India, they meet WP:GEOLAND. So the above page should be converted to disambiguation page as it meets WP:DAB, and the aforementioned three red links should be added to it. BTW, Bhesan (village) & Bhesan, Surat are villages, so their red links can also be added to List of villages in India. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK as there are notable place(s) with the name per WP:GEOLAND. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:47, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete : topic not mentioned anywhere yet, redirect's history contains only a copyvio. – Uanfala 13:49, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment – I've added the links of two village articles to the List of villages in India. BTW, Bhisan sub-district was already mentioned at Junagadh district, and I made it red linked. So now there are three acceptable entries per MOS:DABMENTION. The three DAB entries will look something like the following:
 * Bhesan subdistrict,
 * Bhesan, Surat,
 * Bhesan village, Junagadh,
 * NitinMlk (talk) 20:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I find that solution acceptable. Thanks for your work, -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:19, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * List of villages in India is worse than useless, but the subdistrict is a helpful entry. No objections to turning this into a dab page. – Uanfala (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate – per above discussion. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:18, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Not menu
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List of Pop culture news media events
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * List of Pop culture news media events → Popular culture (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pop_culture_news_media_events&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The current target does not provide a list of this nature. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: This redirect is a R with history. Looks as though it was an article during 2005–2006. Steel1943  (talk) 18:45, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete Based on revision history searches on popular culture around 2006 for phrases from the list, I don't see that anything from the list ever actually got merged, so there's nothing to preserve. Even if we did need to preserve the page history somewhere for attribution purposes, it wouldn't need to be preserved at this particular title; it could go at some talk:popular culture subpage. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:44, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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🏣
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Communications in Japan. Unprot & undelete was near unanimous. Target was not, but this seems the best alternative suggested. Killiondude (talk) 07:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * 🏣 → Japan Post (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%F0%9F%8F%A3&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unprotect and undelete. At the time of the previous RfD, we didn't have the current convention of redirecting from emoji, and some votes were based on how the symbol appeared on certain platforms before it was properly standardized. This is one of the few emoji that can have a useful redirect and currently doesn't. Neon  Merlin  07:10, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support but target to Japanese postal mark instead, which specifically discusses this character. -- N  Y  Kevin   01:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment Wikipedia is not Emojipedia. Has anything suggested since the previous RFDs in 2015 that this icon has become more trendy and needing to be searched more? Has the icon appeared in news articles? There's a unicode on Japanese postal mark that was added in January 2016 ?  Should similar tables be created for all the other Emojis? AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:18, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * It may be based on the postal mark, but it's a post office emoji. It's mentioned in both articles, (see Japan Post) and in Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs, and should redirect somewhere. Japan Post is probably the most relevant, although there is currently more information at Japanese postal mark. WP:XY isn't a reason to delete here as this is one thing, although mentioned in more than one article, and there are no search results. Peter James (talk) 18:40, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I support the recreation somewhere, but I'm not sure where that would be. The emoji is Japanese Post Office, but I do not think there is an obvious article that fits the description. Japan Post was in service from 2003–2007. Japan Post Holdings is the current Japanese postal company, but the article doesn't provide much. It does mention that Japan Post Network runs the post offices, which is technically the closest to the emoji definition. However, that article is a one sentence stub. I'm thinking what needs to happen is to create an overview article (eg: Postal services in the United Kingdom as the closest current article that I can find). Anything from Japan Post not directly related to the 2003–2007 company would go there (including the section on the Japanese postal mark), along with the history (I can't find anything pre-2003 so that would need to be researched). Thoughts? -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Create then Retarget to Japan Post due to relevancy and then add a hatnote to Japanese postal mark which seems to be the next most relevant target -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Create and target to Japanese postal mark per NYKevin. —  Scott  •  talk  13:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I realize that I'm making things worse as far as opinions go, but this seems like a clear-cut situation where we should go to Postage_stamps_and_postal_history_of_Japan. It's a broad article, albeit one needing a lot of work, that discusses the postal service of Japan generally as well as goes into the history. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:19, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I also created a section Communications_in_Japan that might work. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Create at Postage stamps and postal history of Japan per CWM, which is more or less the article I was thinking about during my long-winded comment above. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:08, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep deleted In most systems, this emoji does not appear as a postal mark, but as a post office (with said mark distinguishing it from a regular building). See the Emojipedia page. If it is recreated, Japan Post should be the target, not the postal mark itself. I don't want a redirect that's basically an Easter egg for those who already know what it is. --BDD (talk) 15:33, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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Plumbus
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Affluenza in Australia
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🙃
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List of newly-formed bus routes in Brooklyn
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 * The result of the discussion was delete , by moving without redirect to Tavix's suggested destination. --BDD (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * List of newly-formed bus routes in Brooklyn → List of bus routes in Brooklyn (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_newly-formed_bus_routes_in_Brooklyn&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a useful search term as we do not have a time frame for "newly formed." Also, we do not have a similar redirect name to other bus route list articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.33.239 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 18 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Keep Keep it somewhere, necessary for attribution. See Administrators%27 noticeboard/IncidentArchive634. – Train2104 (t • c) 03:13, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment the history needs to be preserved somewhere for attribution; it doesn't necessarily need to be preserved at this specific mainspace title. For example, we could move this redirect and its history to Talk:List of bus routes in Brooklyn/Some subpage or wherever without leaving behind a redirect, thus preserving the history without having a title that promises but fails to deliver. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:56, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete "newly-formed" is vague and unhelpful. I did some investigating, and I'm not seeing any content from the redirect history at the target? If I'm wrong, it shouldn't be difficult to move it to a plausible and unused title. List of bus routes in Brooklyn, New York is available, for example. -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete - As stated above, "newly formed" is exactly the sort of poor wording that we don't want here. I also support deletion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Barophobia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 07:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Barophobia → List of phobias (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barophobia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not listed or mentioned in target article. ... disco spinster   talk  20:25, 11 November 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. This term was on the list of phobias and was cited from here (deemed an unreliable source by an involved editor) and here, p. 157 (although reliable, this turned out to be a vague reference, so barophobia ). I was unsure whether this was a "" (related to basophobia), an "" (of basophobia) or a "", and finally categorized it as a related term, perhaps incorrectly. After looking at it again, I suggest we keep this redirect, focus the target to the "B" section of the list of phobias, where basophobia is entered, and recategorize it as an "alternative spelling". Good search term.  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  17:29, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Keep and treat as proposed by User:Paine Ellsworth. Good analysis. bd2412  T 18:47, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep It is perfectly fine the way it is. Yes one can take any word and attach phobia to it. So? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:37, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete unless a mention of it is reinstated in the list. If there's no mention there, then the redirect is just confusing: I can't see how it can be an alternative spelling for Basophobia: s and r don't really alternate in such contexts, and the concepts are quite different: the imagined fear that gravity might go wonky is different from the inborn fear of falling. – Uanfala 11:55, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per Uanfala. The term is not mentioned at the target, so someone searching it will not be helped by the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:27, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a gentle reminder that redirects from misspellings and some alt spellings are often not mentioned at their targets. This does not negate their value as search terms.  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  05:40, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree that it's a misspelling or alt spelling. When I search the term, it comes back as a "fear of gravity", which is distinct from a "fear of falling", which is what's listed at the List of phobias page. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 14:32, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes you are right to question that, and yet I've also considered that the distinction between "fear of falling" and "fear of gravity" is a very thin line indeed. If we keep in mind that there is little or nothing in the official, "expert" sources about the fear of gravity, then perhaps its not such a grand leap at all?  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  00:37, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete per Tavix. I'm not convinced by the idea that this is just a misspelling; I suspect a user would be searching for something by this name specifically, and don't think the target article is very hard to find generally. --BDD (talk) 16:51, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete to let readers know we really don't have any useful information about the specific title they're searching for. Deryck C. 14:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete According to the (not very reliable sources online) they have two different origins - baro meaning atmosphere, baso meaning base or stepping. So not convinced they're misspellings; delete unless reinstated. Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:26, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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Antlophobia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Antlophobia → List of phobias (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antlophobia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Article deleted via AfD, redirect is useless because it's not even mentioned there. ... disco spinster   talk  20:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I lean towards deleting the redirect as not many people would search for 'antlophobia' in Wikipedia search bar as it is not a commonly known term. Though there is the article on antlophobia I wrote in Phobia Wiki. Planet  Star  06:10, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment There's this article which lists antlophobia. also some random newspaper articles.   And someone wrote something called Antlophobic Hymn:   How would WP:NOTDICTIONARY apply? <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:55, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * kudes to you for the excellent research! The first link you give spells it differently... ANTIOPHOBIA (typo?), and while the other links may or may not be reliable, the editors involved with the phobia list seem to prefer at least some mention in expert literature about any given phobia name and definition. It does appear that such a reference should exist, because the people in your news links and such are getting the phobia name from somewhere. The question is 'Where?'  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  20:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, just fyi, WP:NOTDICTIONARY was cited at the AfD, which just means that the deleted article was believed to have failed that test.   Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  20:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, lots of phobia lists in the books such as  but there are hundreds of entries and no detailed research on it, well, it might need further digging. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Keep It is perfectly fine the way it is. Yes one can take any word and attach phobia to it. So? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:37, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Archconservative
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Archconservative → Conservatism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Archconservative&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Arch-conservative → Reactionary (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arch-conservative&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  Added by -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ultra-Conservative → Conservatism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultra-Conservative&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ultra-conservative → Conservatism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultra-conservative&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ultraconservatism → Conservatism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultraconservatism&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ultraconservative → Conservatism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultraconservative&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Ultra conservative → Conservatism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultra_conservative&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Weak retarget to respective Wiktionary entries, but I'm not really sure about these, are they mentioned in a broad sense because the terms seem dubious to me. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 02:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * delete - the terms are not covered in Conservatism, and the implied relationships may be considered offensive. Batternut (talk) 09:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't think these terms are dubious, I've heard "ultra-conservative" used quite a few times. There are a few articles that source the term "ultra-conservative" in reference to a group or movement, including: Wahhabism, Salafism, and Iranian Principlists. Arch-conservative didn't sound familiar to me, but a quick search shows it to be well-used. I found targeting Reactionary, and I've added it to the discussion. Dumping these to Wiktionary is okay I guess, but I do not think someone searching this would be satisfied with what Wiktionary has to offer (ultraconservative means "extremely conservative"—if you are familiar the prefix ultra- you already knew that...). WP:REDLINK deletion is probably the better option as I can easily see scope for an article on ultraconservatism, describing the history, politics and groups associated with it. In the meantime, search results catch the few articles where the term is mentioned. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Radical conservative also exists and that points to Far-right politics, not sure if it should be nominated separately because radical right seems a good target. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 22:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete "Arch-conservative" doesn't seem to have a fixed meaning beyond "conservative politician who is famous/powerful"; there's really no way to add encyclopedic content about it anywhere, so we have nothing to offer the reader besides disappointment. "Ultra-conservatism" seems to be more of a coherent concept, and perhaps deserves its own article; hence it should also be deleted per WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 04:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Added Ultra conservative. 165.91.12.221 (talk) 10:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Both "arch-conservative" and "ultra-conservative" (as well as their derivations) are frustratingly vague labels that don't seem to have coherent meanings. Yes, we often have articles that touch on unclear, difficult concepts, but those draw on groups of reliable sources that don't seem to exist here. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Dell/EMC
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Dell EMC. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Dell/EMC">Dell/EMC → Dell (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dell/EMC&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Possible targets: Dell, Dell EMC or Dell Technologies. f eminist 06:46, 22 November 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Dell Technologies, which is the company that resulted from the merger. It's also easy to find the Dell EMC subsidiary page from that parent company article anyway. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:27, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Classic WP:XY. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 10:44, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Dell EMC, which is the closest match and makes the most sense to me (EMC, as a subsidiary of Dell). Either way, a link to the other is going to be prominent. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Dell EMC as most sensible target. It would be different if there were other EMCs in the general Dell article where it would apply. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:59, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
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The Hitachi
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Hitachi (disambiguation). (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The Hitachi → Hitachi Magic Wand (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hitachi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does not specifically refer to the product. f eminist 06:37, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep Plausible redirect. PeterTheFourth (talk) 07:08, 22 November 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget, probably Hitachi (disambiguation). Suffice to say I've known some folks who own a Magic Wand, and while they'll frequently refer to them as a Hitachi, they don't say "the Hitachi". The only thing on the dab I can see that would definitely be called "The Hitachi" in normal conversation is Hitachi (Japanese train), so I could also support pointing there. My first thought was just plain Hitachi, but I couldn't think of a good reason for that. --BDD (talk) 18:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to dab, since that mentions a more plausible use. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to dab Searches for "The Hitachi is" or "The Hitachi was" show a bunch of different topics. The current target shows up in those search results reasonably often, but not to the extent of being "more likely than all the other topics combined". 59.149.124.29 (talk) 04:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to dab. If the context has specifically foregrounded vibrators, then the Magic Wand is the logical referent, but in most contexts the logical response to reading or hearing "the Hitachi" is "the Hitachi what?" Depending on the context, it could be a copier, a lathe, a medical MRI machine, or even a backhoe. —Syrenka V (talk) 09:11, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I also support a retarget change. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Baol Bardot Bulsara (singer)
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Baol Bardot Bulsara (singer)">Baol Bardot Bulsara (singer) → Baol Bardot Bulsara (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baol_Bardot_Bulsara_(singer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary disamb page. Home Lander (talk) 03:15, 25 November 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. This is not a disambiguation page, but a redirect from unnecessary disambiguation. – Uanfala 13:45, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete in the case that the AfD for this redirect's target reaches its current consensus: a redirect to TNT (band). Notability is not inherited, plus it doesn't seem appropriate to have more than one redirect for a single subject. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk &bull;&#32;contribs) 00:06, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Reasonable, normal R from unnecessary disambiguation regardless of whether or not the musician has a standalone article. --BDD (talk) 16:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Azerbaijan (wine)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . General consensus that it is not misleading. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:35, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Azerbaijan (wine)">Azerbaijan (wine) → Azerbaijani wine (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azerbaijan_(wine)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading redirect. With such a parenthetical disambiguator it creates the expectation that it will lead to an article about a brand of wine called "Azerbaijan", or maybe a grape cultivar. Instead, it leads to the generic article about wine from Azerbaijan: this is upside down from the usual relation that is expressed by parenthetical disambiguators. The redirect had two incoming links, which I've fixed. Similar redirects were discussed last month. – Uanfala 14:11, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * These exist for other countries. Wine has regions as well as brands and cultivars, and it can be labelled with the name of a country instead of a specific region, so this isn't misleading. "Country (wine)" is wine with the name of that country on the label, regardless of where it is sold; "Wine (Country)" would be that country's definition of wine - what can be produced or sold as wine there, regardless of where it is produced. Peter James (talk) 11:14, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, from that point of view, yes, it seems less misleading. And yes, there are quite a few redirects like this but they have all been created by a single editor, and from what I've seen so far, their purpose has been to make it easier for them to produce links using the WP:Pipe trick: typing  to create a link displayed as the country name and pointing to the article about the wine from that country. – Uanfala 11:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Keep. I feel like Peter James makes a good point. At wine stores, the labels for sections are often just the names of countries (e.g. Australia, South Africa, France, etc.) And unless there is a brand of wine that goes by the country's name, these would unambiguously point to the correct target. Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment it may be suitable as an WP:ATDAB alternative. If a particular brand that goes by the country name is present, then it can be further discussed whether the (wine brand) is needed or what scheme the hatnotes should be to accommodate it. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
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Harrie Jekkers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:46, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Harrie Jekkers → Uitgeverij De Harmonie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harrie_Jekkers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No longer mentioned in the target. Originally targeted Herman Brood, which was implausible; no other suitable target exists. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk &bull;&#32;contribs) 02:23, 27 November 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete appears to be a Dutch music artist. I don't see any suitable targets though. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:01, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nominator. Wikipedia has no information about her, so we have nowhere to send the reader. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:45, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
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Szechuan sauce
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Sichuan cuisine. Hatnote added. (non-admin closure)  f eminist 13:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Szechuan sauce → Teriyaki (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Szechuan_sauce&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think Szechuan sauce mean Teriyaki.....?? C933103 (talk) 16:55, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: Seems like the Szechuan sauce available in American McDonald's is Teriyaki but then I don't think that is the case for most Szechuan sauce outside American McDonalds. C933103 (talk) 17:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Boldly retargeting to List_of_McDonald%27s_products as some editors have recently written up a section on it along with the Rick and Morty reference. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:04, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Sichuan cuisine where there's a list of various sauces. Szechuan is just an old spelling of Sichuan. Not teriyaki, and was known in the US long before McDonald's started using it . 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The section would need to be expanded if it is to be serve as a redirect target. It introduced Doubanjiang but not Mala sauce which is more commonly known as a Sichuan sauce, and then after some googling, seems like some also use the same word sichuan sauce to describe stir-fried sauce and dan dan noodle sauces, however they are only introduced as a cooking method and a food in the article, and their sauces are not mentioned. There could also be other sauces that are being named as sichuan sauce or szechuan sauce that need further research. C933103 (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It serves perfectly well as a redirect target right now: it discusses sauces in Sichuan cuisine and is the most obvious place where people will add more content in the future about such sauces. The deficiencies you mention neither make any other article the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT nor serve a justification for deletion. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:16, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What about convert into a disambiguation page?C933103 (talk) 13:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Sichuan cuisine per 59.149.124.29. —  Scott  •  talk  13:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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Andover Townsman
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of newspapers published by Community Newspaper Holdings. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:30, 16 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Andover Townsman → Community Newspaper Holdings (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andover_Townsman&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. AFAIK, the newspaper is owned by North of Boston Media Group. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 19:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * It's in List of newspapers published by Community Newspaper Holdings. Community Newspaper Holdings has owned North of Boston Media Group since 2005 (according to Townsman owner merges with broadcast company, Andover Townsman, Sep 28, 2017). Peter James (talk) 20:37, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * So should it be directed there instead? If so, additional redirect s The Andover Townsman (proper title of the magazine), The Andover Townsman Online (title of the website) and Andover Townsman Online (title of the website when searched for without the preceding "The") should also be created equal to this one. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 20:44, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have "The" in the list at http://www.eagletribune.com/site/about-us.html. I think that the additional redirects are unnecessary (it's a list of newspapers, not of websites); I don't object to them either - Redirects are cheap. Peter James (talk) 20:56, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, the "The" is still in the logo, so deffinetly applicable, and should be created if this one is kept. Online-suffixed are optional, of course. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 21:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree about "The", it's been in the name before (https://www.mhl.org/sites/default/files/images/AndoverTownsmanimage.PNG) and it's in the logo; looking at others in the list use of "The" isn't consistent with their own websites. Peter James (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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