Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 1

July 1
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 1, 2017.

Bp2
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to BP2. I agree with Uanfala's analysis, so I moved the disambiguation page to BP2. I've also removed the Amoco entry for lack of attestation. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 00:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Bp2 → The Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bp2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

BP2 is also an abbreviation for Bipolar II disorder (although BP-II is more common, at least in formal contexts). I'm split as to which article this should point to, but I lean toward retargeting. Since it's a 3-letter string, Google's not as helpful as it might be. However:
 * 1) A simple search for BP2 yields the disorder as the second result and the subject of the Knowledge Graph bar. The following results are a mishmash of topics, but the disorder commands a plurality.
 * 2) The first result is an acronym dictionary that lists both the album and the disorder (although only the album is in the search-results excerpt). However, as best as I can tell, the album is not mentioned again in any of the following 10 pages of results.
 * 3) BP2 mental has 290k GHits to BP2 album's 278k. But I concede this may be within the margin of error.

Thoughts? Ultimately, I'll be happy either way, as long as the end result has a hatnote pointing to the other page.  — PinkAmpers  &#38;  ( Je vous invite à me parler )  22:29, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment there's a bp-II redirect that means Amoco right now. Perhaps a disambiguation page should exist instead at BP2, and bp2 / BP-II / bp-II  should redirect to it, indicating the Amoco topic, bipolar topic, Blueprint 2 topic -- 65.94.42.131 (talk) 05:18, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I handled a request at WP:RM/TR. The redirect of bp-II is now a disambiguation. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Is there any evidence that Amoco was known as BP 2? – Uanfala 23:53, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No idea, it's what the edit history claims when the article there was created. -- 65.94.42.131 (talk) 04:48, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Other uses include South View LRT Station (railcode BP2), the Mazda BP2 engine (see Mazda B engine) -- 65.94.42.131 (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment I think we can safely redirect this to the dab page bp-II now -- 65.94.42.131 (talk) 04:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with the disambiguation done above, but it would seem that given what most of the entries look like Bp-II is a somewhat odd title for it. I think it's better to move it to the simpler and more common BP2 (or something similar). Also, I'm really weary of including the Amoco entry as web search results don't seem to return anything meaningful for the combination of "Amoco" and any variants of "BP2". – Uanfala 11:00, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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Cultural decay
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 24%23Cultural decay

Vikingane
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . as unopposed. I agree that R2 does not apply here. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Vikingane → no:Vikingane (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vikingane&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Useless xwiki soft redirect without incoming links GZWDer (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as R2. Even if there were incoming links, that's what ill is for. — PinkAmpers  &#38;  ( Je vous invite à me parler )  23:06, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:R2 only applies to redirects into project-related namespaces doesn't apply to crosswiki redirects. – Uanfala 23:20, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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Draft:Gele Seckstein
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  as unopposed. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Draft:Gele Seckstein → Gela Seksztajn (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gele_Seckstein&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This draft page has never been anything but a redirect to the same title. It was mistakenly submitted to AfC as well. It serves no purpose and should just be deleted. Legacypac (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think this was an attempt to use the draft process to create a redirect from Gele Seckstein to the article. Peter James (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you are right, and the redirect was malformed until I fixed it. Let's create the redirect correctly and delete the draft page. Legacypac (talk) 23:49, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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Redirects from dates

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 * NOTE: Several people are using these RfDs to propose new redirects at WP:AFC even though we have yet to reach consensus on whether these should exist. And whether they should be created for all dates or not. -- 65.94.42.131 (talk) 05:10, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The AfC proposal was rejected as there is no general consensus on these redirects, per the no consensus closure at


 * The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

April 10, 2011
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  --BDD (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * April 10, 2011 → 2011 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=April_10,_2011&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * September 6, 2003 → 2003 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_6,_2003&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete - The page redirects to the year but the date mentioned in the redirect's name is not mentioned on the year page. 2601:584:100:E310:5C77:12BC:F26F:B4D (talk) 23:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete April. In general there's no reason to have redirects like this, but in the case of the September page an article existed at that title for two years, at which point the content was moved to . For that reason, I'd say to keep September or retarget to the portal page. N.B.: If the September redirect does wind up getting deleted, a list of its contributors will need to be added to that page's edit history via dummy edit. (Actually, the initial merger into that page lacked any attribution whatsoever, which I guess needs to be fixed at some point, but would be quite an undertaking given how many of those mergers occurred at that point in time.) — PinkAmpers  &#38;  ( Je vous invite à me parler )  19:24, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Portal:Current events/2011 April 10 and Portal:Current events/September 2003 respectively per my reasoning at Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 13. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete April per 69.94.169.96's comment on afc. 2601:584:100:E310:146A:4376:FFDC:6463 (talk) 22:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget both per Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017 June 25. 73.1.57.180 (talk) 01:41, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 12:14, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can we delete April per Anthony Appleyard surpassing redirects from dates or keep April per UnitedStatesian? 2602:306:30AC:C1E0:A834:4046:E3D5:75B (talk) 16:06, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget both per Tavix and Feminist. Ssjhowarthisawesome (talk) 15:24, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Do not retarget there's no consensus at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_1 for such redirects to point to the Portal pages -- 65.94.42.131 (talk) 05:17, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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April 9, 2011
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  --BDD (talk) 21:31, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * April 9, 2011 → 2011 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=April_9,_2011&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Portal:Current events/2011 April 9 per Tavix's reasoning at Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 13. Delete if redirects to portal pages from the article namespace is redundant. Ssjhowarthisawesome (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget as nominated. There is nothing wrong with going from article to portal, as both areas are intended for readers. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 12:12, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can we delete per Anthony Appleyard surpassing redirects from dates or keep per UnitedStatesian? 2602:306:30AC:C1E0:A834:4046:E3D5:75B (talk) 16:06, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tavix and Feminist. Ssjhowarthisawesome (talk) 15:24, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Do not retarget there's no consensus at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_1 for such redirects to point to the Portal pages -- 65.94.42.131 (talk) 05:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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October 10, 2010
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  09:56, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * October 10, 2010 → Portal:Current events/2010 October 10 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=October_10,_2010&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirecting dates to portal pages is an unexpected XNR. Retarget to October 2010? – Train2104 (t • c) 03:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget - I agree, redirecting into a portal page is not acceptable. - Richard Cavell (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Further comment - I believe that a calendar day is inherently notable and that to have an article on a day is completely acceptable. But a Portal current events page is not that article. - Richard Cavell (talk) 21:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete. This is like Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_7 and MDY / DMY combinations where the numbers for MM DD and YY are the same. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 11:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Cross namespace redirects are discouraged when the redirect is from a user-facing namespace to one that is not user-facing. The portal namespace is one where we'd like readers to visit, so there's no problem there. The current target provides readers with the most information about the events that happened that day, so I'd say it's a rather useful redirect. Other potential targets, such as October 10 and 2010 only provide readers with one event, the Dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles. That's almost surely the most notable thing to happen that day, but it leaves an incomplete account in case someone is looking for something else. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment We don't have such redirects in place - or anything at all, really - for surrounding dates October 1, 2010, October 2, 2010, October 3, 2010, October 4, 2010, October 5, 2010, October 6, 2010, October 7, 2010, October 8, 2010, October 9, 2010, October 11, 2010, October 12, 2010, October 13, 2010, October 14, 2010, October 15, 2010, October 16, 2010, October 17, 2010, October 18, 2010, or October 19, 2010. October 20, 2010 is the first one I found to be attached to anything, and it anchors in the article for the year 2010. However, in the anchored section nothing is said to have happened on that date, while October 21, 2010 and October 22, 2010 don't link anywhere at the moment. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 02:59, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per 69.94.169.96's comment on afc. 2601:584:100:E310:14DD:733E:8321:17F1 (talk) 01:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 25. 73.1.57.180 (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 12:12, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to 2010. It makes no sense that October 2010 redirects to 2010, but October 10, 2010 is a cross-namespace redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Easily confused words
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Despite two relists, no clear consensus emerged what to do. There is consensus that the redirect should not go to Project-space but whether it should be retargeted or the target being moved back to mainspace is not clear and I doubt any further discussion will help. It seems wiser to take the 2012 AFD to DRV to see whether there is consensus to move it back to mainspace, then this redirect will have a proper target again anyway.  So  Why  14:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Easily confused words → Wikipedia:List of commonly misused English words (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easily_confused_words&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is a header on the target stating that the page "is not meant to be an encyclopedic article about such errors.", so a redirect (and linking, for that matter) from mainspace does not seem appropriate. – Train2104 (t • c) 03:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Common English usage misconceptions. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf. Looking at the project page at first I thought it looked like something useful for readers and wondered why we don't have something similar. That is, before I noticed Articles for deletion/List of commonly misused English words. f  e  minist  16:01, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Do not retarget to Common English usage misconceptions as that article's topic is misconceptions about English grammar and usage, not confusable words. The current target, though in project space, is probably the nearest thing the average user will have in mind when searching for "easily confused words". However, there's no reason for the topic to be restricted to English, and the phrase is vague enough for there to be relevant content in several articles: Homonym, False friends or Paronym (the English wikipedia is was until recently the only major wikipedia without an article on that). – Uanfala 11:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Fwiw, I support moving back to mainspace, as proposed below, as long as it's at a more appropriate title (like Easily confused English words or Easily confused words in English). – Uanfala 09:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Convert to stub - We really have no good article for this, although we ought to. In the meantime, I prefer creating a short stub that lists all the targets mentioned in this discussion. - Richard Cavell (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That's more or less the point of List of commonly misused English words... -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Involved relisting to allow the closing of the daily log.
 * Move List of commonly misused English words back to mainspace. It'll solve this problem and the AfD I read through was pathetic. Instead of moving the list to Wikipedia space, an easier solution would have been to prune the list of unsourced and/or uncommon entries. That can easily be done now. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate - Seems to refer to more than one thing. Also, "Commonly misspelled English words" should be added as the second or third entry. --George Ho (talk) 15:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 12:11, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to new WP:CONCEPTDAB stub Linguistic confusion (or other suggestion, but "Easily confused words" shouldn't be the actual title), which would point to articles such as Homonym, Paronym, False friends, List of commonly misused English words; this would seem to satisfy the suggestions of, , and , so I was considering closing the discussion with this outcome, but I feel this is just different enough from any of the existing propositions that I worry it might fall into WP:SUPERVOTE territory. (Alternatively I could also support mainspacing List of commonly misused English words.)   Ben – Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  00:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If such an article is created (and I can only see that as a WP:SIA), then "Linguistic confusion" will be too confusing as a title. – Uanfala 10:01, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Move back to mainspace per Tavix. The idea that the page is some sort of writing guide instead of a linguistics article seems like a silly fiction. --BDD (talk) 21:31, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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364 (film)
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete all except for Spy vs. Spy (film), where I'll call that one no consensus. After being open for over a month, I'm going to go ahead and nuke all those that have not been objected to. (Someone else might call the Spy vs. Spy one as "delete", but I'll be conservative as it's my own nomination, keeping WP:INVOLVED in mind.)  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="364 (film)">364 (film) → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=364_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * All I've Got → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_I%27ve_Got&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="All I've Got (film)">All I've Got (film) → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_I%27ve_Got_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="B-Minor (film)">B-Minor (film) → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B-Minor_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Blood Brothers (TV series)">Blood Brothers (TV series) → Fox 21 Television Studios (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blood_Brothers_(TV_series)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Blood Mountain (film)">Blood Mountain (film) → Sergei Bodrov (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blood_Mountain_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Blood Wars (film)">Blood Wars (film) → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blood_Wars_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Blood Wars (film)">The Blood Wars (film) → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Blood_Wars_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Bloody Benders (film)">The Bloody Benders (film) → Guillermo del Toro (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Bloody_Benders_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Booth (film)">Booth (film) → Christopher McQuarrie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Booth_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Booth (film)">The Booth (film) → Christopher McQuarrie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Booth_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Colossus (film)">The Colossus (film) → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Colossus_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Counter Clockwise (film)">Counter Clockwise (film) → Jennifer Aniston (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Counter_Clockwise_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Flag Day (film)">Flag Day (film) → Alejandro González Iñárritu (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flag_Day_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Flamingo Thief → Craig Gillespie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Flamingo_Thief&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Flamingo Thief (film)">The Flamingo Thief (film) → Craig Gillespie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Flamingo_Thief_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fucking Engaged → Jessica Biel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fucking_Engaged&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Fucking Engaged (film)">Fucking Engaged (film) → Jessica Biel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fucking_Engaged_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * A Magnificent Death from a Shattered Hand → Thomas Jane (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Magnificent_Death_from_a_Shattered_Hand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="A Magnificent Death from a Shattered Hand (film)">A Magnificent Death from a Shattered Hand (film) → Thomas Jane (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Magnificent_Death_from_a_Shattered_Hand_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="My Stroke of Insight (film)">My Stroke of Insight (film) → My Stroke of Insight (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=My_Stroke_of_Insight_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="No Exit (upcoming film)">No Exit (upcoming film) → Joseph Kosinski (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit_(upcoming_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="One of the Guys (film)">One of the Guys (film) → Sandra Bullock (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_of_the_Guys_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Originals (film)">The Originals (film) → Bryce Dallas Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Originals_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pitz & Joe">Pitz & Joe → Josh Brolin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pitz_%26_Joe&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pitz & Joe (film)">Pitz & Joe (film) → Josh Brolin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pitz_%26_Joe_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pitz and Joe → Josh Brolin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pitz_and_Joe&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pitz and Joe (film)">Pitz and Joe (film) → Josh Brolin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pitz_and_Joe_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Pom Pom Massacre → Shirly Brener (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Pom_Pom_Massacre&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pumas (film)">Pumas (film) → Jennifer Aniston (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pumas_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Room and Board (film)">Room and Board (film) → Julia Davis (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Room_and_Board_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Rubicon (film)">Rubicon (film) → Christopher McQuarrie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rubicon_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Rubicon (film)">The Rubicon (film) → Christopher McQuarrie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Rubicon_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Spy vs. Spy (film)">Spy vs. Spy (film) → Spy vs. Spy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spy_vs._Spy_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Strange Adventures of H.P. Lovecraft → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Strange_Adventures_of_H.P._Lovecraft&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Strange Adventures of H.P. Lovecraft (film)">The Strange Adventures of H.P. Lovecraft (film) → Ron Howard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Strange_Adventures_of_H.P._Lovecraft_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="TMI (film)">TMI (film) → Ryan Reynolds (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TMI_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Unbound Captives → Madeleine Stowe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unbound_Captives&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Unbound Captives (film)">Unbound Captives (film) → Madeleine Stowe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unbound_Captives_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Without Ward → Harold Perrineau (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Without_Ward&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Without Ward (film)">Without Ward (film) → Harold Perrineau (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Without_Ward_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * You Were Once Called Queen City → Addison Timlin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=You_Were_Once_Called_Queen_City&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Discussion
Here's my next batch of problematic film redirects. These redirects target a director, actor, etc. that was rumored to be a part of a potential film. The problem, however, is that there is zero mention of such a film at the target, so anybody who wants to know more about these potential films will end up confused or disappointed. Most of these films are in development hell. They may or may not progress to production, and the director, actors, production studio, etc. could all change before then. Therefore, these redirects need to be red for now. If any of these enter production, then an article on the film can be created. Until then, these redirects aren't helpful. (raw list available on talk page) -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:44, 9 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There is a clear outcome in sight, but I believe the opportunity should be given for more editors to weigh in before such a high number of redirects are deleted.
 * Comment - deleting the Spy vs Spy one bothers me. There have been several shorts (usually broadcast on TV, of course) based on Spy vs Spy, which represent valid conversions of the Mad comic strip, which is a widely known reference point in comedy/youth culture/American publishing history/etc. - Richard Cavell (talk) 16:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all WP:TNT. Items can be re-created when films meet WP:NFF on their own. If they're the producer's pet project, then it would have a writeup on their article, but there's nothing. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 12:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. I've looked at these batches before and the nom is doing a good job with them. Legacypac (talk) 23:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Daedelus catalog
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  Experience (Daedelus song) and keep the other ones.   Ben – Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  22:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Impending Doom / Just Briefly">Impending Doom / Just Briefly → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Impending_Doom_/_Just_Briefly&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Household EP → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Household_EP&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rethinking the Weather → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rethinking_the_Weather&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * A Gent Agent → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Gent_Agent&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Of Snowdonia → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Of_Snowdonia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Experience (Daedelus song)">Experience (Daedelus song) → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Experience_(Daedelus_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Labyrinths (Daedelus album)">Labyrinths (Daedelus album) → Daedelus (musician) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Labyrinths_(Daedelus_album)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete: Unnotable WP:CATALOG item. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 15:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The discussion is moving towards a clear outcome, but I'm relisting it to enable the closing of the day's log.
 * Keep at least some. I don't think WP:CATALOG applies to redirects. If it did, we could feasibly delete every single redirect that has ever existed for something that is not an article. Redirects are WP:CHEAP and there is no valid reason to delete most of these.  Ss 112  16:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Other than WP:CATALOG, a redirect would require that a user looking for the item he is searching for finds valuable information on the subject, but in all of these cases, we would redirect the reader to a page where it is only included in a list, maybe sealed with a release year, but nothing the reader would actually want to know (development, release, length, genre, etc.), which makes these redirects rather confusing. This reasoning was with a lot of good deletions recently. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 16:08, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * A user may actually create the article(s) in future, and I don't think the redirects are confusing anybody because it's directing readers to the artist who made it/them, i.e. a more general topic (the reason why Template:R from album exists to place on redirects, is it not?) There just seems to be no real point to deleting redirects when they only appear to help and not hinder. These redirects are like placeholders until/if somebody wishes to expand them beyond that.  Ss 112  16:25, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep those that are mentioned in the list. Generally, redirecting non-notable topics to a list in which they appear is encouraged (if there is no more in-depth coverage elsewhere) as it gives people some information and discourages the creation of articles on non-notable topics (see also ). It sounds to me that the best way to address your concerns is to add more information (e.g. length, genre) to the target list. Thryduulf (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Here's my mix: Delete Experience (Daedelus song). It's not mentioned at the target article, nor at any of his album articles. Keep the rest. If you were to follow WP:CATALOG, it would inform you that Wikipedia is not a sales catalog. There's no pricing at play here, so WP:CATALOG does not apply. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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