Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 23

July 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 23, 2017.

War itself
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 00:05, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * War itself → Katherine Kelly (actress) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_itself&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Apparently based on a quote by a character played by the actress, this is way too generic to really be worth having such a specific target. And I think it's too generic and vague to have a target at all. – Uanfala 23:48, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete this is not a useful redirect for any page I can think of - I agree that it is too generic. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete too generic Legacypac (talk) 01:55, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete unless Katherine Kelly (actress) is the problem of all wars. Anyways, joking aside, this is a non-notable quote connection to its target and is so vague/unnotable thar keeping this redirect targeting the actress can almost be considered a WP:BLP issue; readers not knowing where this phrase comes from could crazily enough believe that she's associated with all wars. Steel1943  (talk) 16:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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Spooksletsky
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  .  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  09:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Spooksletsky → Ass (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spooksletsky&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Created by the same user who created Reidstick (see a few lines below) and the redirect immediately above. Appears to have been just them having fun learning to edit. – Uanfala 23:48, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a meaningful redirect for the target article. Appears to be a prank or a spoof. Not useful for anything in the English language. Steve Quinn (talk) 01:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete made up Legacypac (talk) 01:55, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete someone's username, not notable, and disparages the user WP:G10 too. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:01, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per R D3 and G10 comment. Tagging as such. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 00:49, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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Langotia Yaars
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Langotia Yaars → Friendship (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Langotia_Yaars&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. According to the original revision, the language is Hindi. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Could also redirect to BFF but neither article has any writeup of this particular phrase. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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Nattpu
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 August 8%23Nattpu

Reidstick
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Reidstick → Friendship (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reidstick&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I was unable to determine a connection between the redirect and the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete not a meaningful redirect for the target page. Looks like a test edit. Not a useful redirect for anything in the English language. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 01:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete non-notable username AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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Bukekela
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Bukekela → wiktionary:Special:Search/bukekela (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukekela&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. This word is Xhosa, not English. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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Cognoscente
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 August 8%23Cognoscente

EThekwini
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate.  No consensus primary topic. wbm1058 (talk) 07:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

EThekwini is the Zulu name for Durban and on that basis redirects to Durban. However, since 2000 there has been an administrative region, the eThekwini Metropolitan Municipality that is larger than Durban. Most wikilinks to EThekwini mean the municipality, not the city of Durban. (Also the alt cap version Ethekwini). MB 17:46, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * EThekwini → Durban (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EThekwini&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ethekwini → Durban (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethekwini&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (added on relisting – Uanfala 20:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC))


 * Comment That it has a hatnote right away about "eThekwini" (lower-case first letter, upper-case second letter) suggests this is a useful search term. Having EThekwini metro area or EThekwini municipality or EThekwini region might help. What I haven't seen is whether those in the Durban area make a difference between referering to Durban and Ethekwini. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Note also that the page on the Municipality was at eThekwini until 11/2014 before it was moved to eThekwini Metropolitan Municipality and the redirect at ethekwini has been changed and reverted. I see no prior discussion of this issue on the talk pages. MB</b> 21:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 20:50, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Move eThekwini Metropolitan Municipality to eThekwini and send the alternative capitalizations there. Legacypac (talk) 01:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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Rashtriya Hindu Sena
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 August 6%23Rashtriya Hindu Sena

Alexander ALX 200
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  --BDD (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Alexander ALX 200 → Alexander ALX200 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_ALX_200&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

IMHO pointless category - When you search "Alexander ALX" you then get a whole list to select from and when you search "Alexander ALX 200" the "Alexander ALX200" is the first result so I don't really see the need to keep this around, "Alexander ALX 200" brings up 1,150 results where as "Alexander ALX200" brings up 58,700 results, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 23:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Prior to this RFD I had amended the wikilinks so nothing links to the above redirect, ALX300, 400 and 500 all don't have the "Alexander" bit at the front either, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 23:29, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  09:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment no other similar redirects like ALX 300 for the other ALX models. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The variant with the space does seem to get some usage elsewhere. It's unambiguous and harmless, so I see no reason to delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia talk:Itnc
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget  to Wikipedia talk:In the news, noting that Wikipedia talk:ITNC was created during the course of this discussion. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 16:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia talk:Itnc → Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Itnc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect redirects to the wrong page. It should redirect to Wikipedia talk:In the news just as Wikipedia talk:In the news/Candidates does. It's also common practice to have redirects of this type (shortcuts) capitalized (WP:AN, WP:ACC, WP:CHU, etc.), unlike this one, which is why I either deleting this page and creating WT:ITNC to redirect to Wikipedia talk:In the news or moving it without leaving a redirect (There are currently no pages that link to it except for this discussion.) t WT:ITNC and modifying it to redirect to Wikipedia talk:In the news. The only difference between the two options is that one would preserve page history (1 author, 1 revision) and the other would not. Personally, I prefer the deletion option, but I'm ok with either. The former would require admin action, whereas the latter would only require Page Mover action.  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 06:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Wikipedia talk:In the news per nom. f  e  minist  13:51, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  13:55, 9 July 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Has potential to cause confusion and is not consistent with other project space redirects. Triptothecottage (talk) 01:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 09:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing and inconsistent. Legacypac (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Wikipedia talk:In the news as the most relevant talk page. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Move and retarget per nom. – Uanfala 19:25, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
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Average Call Hold Time
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Call centre. Essentially no consensus, but no support at all for the status quo. --BDD (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Average Call Hold Time → Erlang (unit) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Average_Call_Hold_Time&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While this phrase is certainly used in calculating the amount of switching capability in a phone system, I think it's more often used to measure how long a customer must wait on hold before talking to a rep. I think a retarget is in order. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: to discuss a potential retarget
 * Delete as misleading. The phrase, in plain English, means the amount of time a caller must hold on average. It does not need an explanation and is an unlikely search term. Legacypac (talk) 02:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - I also don't think that it's a likely search term. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Call_centre as the term Average Hold Time or Average Handling Time is discussed there as well as Erlang. The Erlang article itself is a bit too technical and talks more about loading of networks rather than the time it takes to wait on hold. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Call centre where the term is defined. — JFG talk 08:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 09:17, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete an unlikely search term in the first place. It is also grammatically clunky, and I don't think most people would refer to this in this way. And it is currently misleading. Steve Quinn (talk) 02:53, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per AngusWOOF. The most relevant information can be found there. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. If kept or retargeted, I think this redirect should be moved (without leaving a redirect) to the properly capitalised title Average call hold time. – Uanfala 09:00, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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