Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 29

July 29
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 29, 2017.

Dawn men
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate.  wbm1058 (talk) 12:06, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Dawn men → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawn_men&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dawn humans → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawn_humans&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dawn human → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawn_human&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dawnmen → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawnmen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dawnman → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawnman&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dawn-men → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawn-men&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dawn-man → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawn-man&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

According to Mirriam Webster, Dawn Man can refer to early humans or specifically to Piltdown man. So, keep, retarget, disambig, or something else? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:57, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Dawn man → Archaic humans (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dawn_man&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * I've added Dawn man to the nomination. – Uanfala 17:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Create disambiguation page at Dawn man. Given how similar the two meanings are, it seems best to handle the disambiguation in the clearest way possible – with a dedicated dab page, rather than hatnotes. That page could then contain see also links to Dawn Man theory and Dawn's Men. As for the plurals and the versions with "human" – I don't know, although I imagine they should probably only refer to Archaic humans. – Uanfala 17:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambig seems to be the best solution. FunkMonk (talk) 17:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Dab is okay. There's also Dawn of man but I think that redirects to one of the already mentioned redirect targets. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:06, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambig to Piltdown Man, Dawn's Men, human evolution, etc. Clearly there are multiple topics here, and as with ancient humans, the creator of these redirects seems to have thought that the archaic in archaic humans is just a synonym for old, when in fact it refers to a specific clade of Homo. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 08:33, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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Fucking
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Regency Acts
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:29, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Regency Act 1831 → Regency Acts (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Regency_Act_1831&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Minority of Successor to Crown Act 1750 → Regency Acts (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minority_of_Successor_to_Crown_Act_1750&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Incorrect years. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 21:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading if the wrong years. Legacypac (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
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The Prince of Wales
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Prince of Wales.  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  12:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The Prince of Wales → Charles, Prince of Wales (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Prince_of_Wales&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Prince Of Wales → Charles, Prince of Wales (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Prince_Of_Wales&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Having Charles as the primary topic is probably WP:RECENTISM. George IV is arguably the more historically important Prince, as he served as Regent. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 21:21, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Retarget to Prince of Wales, an article about the title, which clearly lists Charles as the current holder. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I expect the thought behind this redirect is that HRH The Prince of Wales is his formal title. I imagine The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, The Duchess of Cornwall, The Duke of York &c. are redirected similarly. DBD 12:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy Retarget any and all "the xyz" to "xyz". No need to discuss this. Legacypac (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Prince of Wales as coverage of the title. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
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William & Mary
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:24, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * William & Mary → William and Mary (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_%26_Mary&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Readers searching with the ampersand are probably looking for the College of William & Mary rather than the couple. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 21:17, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep William & Mary College can take care of the college-related ones. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "William & Mary" AND "College" renders about 148,000 results versus "William & Mary" -"College" which renders 142,000. The former is not primary.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 20:28, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I have nominated the target at WP:AFD. Comments are very welcome.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 19:30, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ as there is no primary topic.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 17:10, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The target appears to be a dab page masquerading as an article. – Uanfala 19:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
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The Princess of Wales
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  12:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The Princess of Wales → Princess of Wales (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Princess_of_Wales&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Diana, Princess of Wales is probably the primary topic. Note that redirects to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, so there is a precedent. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 21:13, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This makes the most sense as currently titles, an article about the title rather than a specific person. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep "the XYZ" should target "XYZ" Legacypac (talk) 16:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep should direct to the title, not the current or most famous title holder. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:03, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
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Emma Rivera
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:24, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Emma Rivera → List of 7th Heaven characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emma_Rivera&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible redirect.  Dr Strauss   talk   17:43, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Who is she and why is this implausible? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. No mention of her except as a cashier? Sounds very much like a guest role. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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Cummins China
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Template:TLS/SSL support history of web browsers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:23, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Template:TLS/SSL support history of web browsers → Transport_Layer_Security (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:TLS/SSL_support_history_of_web_browsers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. P p p er y 15:31, 21 July 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * delete, this history-preserving redirect is TLS/SSL support history of web browsers. Frietjes (talk) 15:34, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  02:50, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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CERCIDIPHYLLACEAE
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .    Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  06:23, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * CERCIDIPHYLLACEAE → Cercidiphyllum (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CERCIDIPHYLLACEAE&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * DAPHNIPHYLLACEAE → Daphniphyllum (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DAPHNIPHYLLACEAE&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is there any point to these all caps redirects? Cercidiphyllaceae and Daphniphyllaceae exist and show up in the search bar when typing all caps. Plantdrew (talk) 00:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all-caps versions <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: RCAPS violation. KGirl  (Wanna chat?) 16:05, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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