Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 22

June 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 22, 2017.

Rockstar Films
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  (non-admin closure)   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  06:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Rockstar Films → Rockstar Games (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rockstar_Films&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, unnotable trademark registration. There are also trademarks for "Rockstar East", "Rockstar South", "Rockstar West" in parallel to the actually-existing Rockstar North, but we don'T have redirects for these either. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 19:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. 206 views last year, linked from The Football Factory (film). They've released at least five films and they seem to be primarily referred to as "Rockstar" rather than "Rockstar Games", so "Rockstar Films" seems completely plausible to me. Thryduulf (talk) 07:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - there are at least three different "Rockstar Films" channels on YouTube, all of seem like amateur operations, independent of Rockstar Games. imdb.com lists professional productions by Rockscar Films and Rockstarz Films. I'm not sure whether Rockstar Games has ever published under the trademark "Rockstar Films", but people will search for it, and if they do, the relevant information that we have for them is at Rockstar Games.. - Richard Cavell (talk) 21:05, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * But, if people are searching for the specific channels on YouTube or any of those from IMDb, why would you think they are looking for Rockstar Games? Also, to answer your question, Rockstar has not released any films under that label (they have, though, released films as simply "Rockstar Games"). P.S.: I have updated your YouTube link to list only channels that quote this name. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 21:10, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * Keep primary topic, plus it was a registered as a trademark in 2010.  There it says RockstarFilms.com and Rockstarfilms.net were claimed, and those websites still redirect to Rockstar Games. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:37, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Spherical Worlds
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus for either deleting or keeping it as a redirect, defaulting to restoring the article  . Any further discussion should hapen at WP:AFD as the main issue is the notability of the topic. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 09:36, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Spherical Worlds → Rockstar Vienna (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spherical_Worlds&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

List entry where no further information exists apart from publisher, year, platforms. No other such redirect exists for Rockstar North and as such should probably be deleted. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 19:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Restore article without prejudice to AfD. If AfD determines that it is not notable then a redirect to the list entry is exactly what we should have. Thryduulf (talk) 07:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - I also think deletion is the right call. This doesn't seem to be notable even in the limited context of looking specifically at the company. It's a minor release that's hard to find well-sourced information about. (No clue if the game itself is fun or not, although the name alone seems to make it 'not my thing'.) CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * Pinging Cunard who is good at rescuing marginally notable topics. Do you think this topic is worth restoring as an article? Deryck C. 16:54, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know . I have commented below. Cunard (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Restore article. Here are three reviews I found about the game: The review notes: Spherical Worlds, as the name doesn’t imply, is a two-dimensional adventure in which you take control of a spherical droid whose mission it is to roam the various sectors of a space station. Quite why isn’t clear - there are no printed instructions, and the only “readme” included on the CD merely talks of 68040 data caches and other technical gubbins. There is a brief animated intro to the game, but it doesn’t really help to explain matters, so getting stuck in is the order of the day. ... There’s not much in Spherical Worlds to get you hooked - yes, you can upgrade your weapons and you get to do all sorts of exciting things like use teleports and collect keys - but the graphics are small and uneventful, as is the gameplay. It’s okay in a sub Alien Breed 1 and 2 sort of way, and there are a few marginally distracting moments, but it doesn’t hold your attention for long.   The article notes: "Primo (e ultimo almeno in campo Amiga) lavoro di un gruppo di croati riconoscibili dal nome dei 4-Matted, Spherical Worlds è prodotto dalla Neo Software allo scadere del 1996. Questo gioco riporta sui nostri monitor l’azione vecchia e per certi versi stantia dei gloriosi AlienBreed con visuale a volo d’uccello, rivelandosi però un’interessante novità, portando una leggera ventata d’aria fresca ad un concetto di gioco accumunabile anche all’ancor più anziano Gauntlet. ... Esempio perfetto di programmazione pulita, questo Spherical Worlds è manifesto di una progettazione studiata a puntino atta al solo divertimento dell’utente che ne usufruisce. Povero dal lato grafico/sonoro, ribatte con una giocabilità geniale e priva di difetti. Consigliato soprattutto a chi a casa possiede un vero Amiga, magari proprio la vecchia 500 cui il gioco è più dedicato, vedrete che i dischetti rimarranno inseriti nel drive finché la nave aliena non sarà praticamente distrutta. Grafica o giocabilità? Immagine o sostanza? Voi da che parte state?" From Google Translate: "First (and last at least in the Amiga field) work of a group of recognizable 4-Matted Croatian names, Spherical Worlds is produced by the Neo Software at the end of 1996. This game reports on our monitors the old and in some respects Of the glorious AlienBreed with a bird's eye view, revealing an interesting novelty, bringing a slight breath of fresh air to a concept of gameplay, even to the oldest Gauntlet anchor. ... Perfect example of clean programming, this Spherical Worlds is a design of a dot designed for the fun of the user who uses it. Poor on the graphic / sound side, replicates with a brilliant playfulness and no defects. At home owns a true Amiga, maybe the old 500 game where the game is more dedicated, you will see that the floppy disks will remain in the drive until the alien ship is practically destroyed, graphics or playability, image or substance, what are you from?" The author, Maurizio Tirone, is listed as a staff member on Retrogaming History's "Staff" page, which also lists an editor, Gianluca "musehead" Santilio, indicating there is editorial oversight.  The article notes: "Enter Spherical Worlds, from the 4Matted development team, produced by NEO of Austria. ... Graphically, the game is not a stunning tour-de-force but the action is at least very crisp. Music and sound is acceptable. The game is not AGA-enhanced but at the very least seems to be compatible on just about any configuration you can throw at it (no problems whatsoever installing to hard drive and playing off of 040 machines). It even works on the Cyberstorm 1260, providing you disable the special 060 caches. ... My only complaints are few. The control system may be clumsy for a reason, but it makes getting started very difficult. Having only three lives is pretty harsh considering you can easily lose them all before reaching the third level, just by falling to your death around various corners. But Spherical Worlds is a job well done." From http://www.amigareport.com/: "Amiga Report Magazine was published between March 1993 and April 1998. As one of the first regularly-published online magazines, it broke new ground for the information revolution to come in the Internet age. Amiga Report published over 100 issues, overseen by three editors. The first, Robert Glover, modeled the publication after the long-running Atari-focused STReport, and quickly migrated the magazine from a text format to the pioneering AmigaGuide hypertext language. As Commodore struggled and the Amiga commercial market deteriorated in early 1994, Glover handed off the magazine to assistant editor Robert Niles. Niles, along with regular contributor Jason Compton, used Amiga Report as a platform to update Amiga users on the Commodore bankruptcy proceedings. Compton became the third and final editor in late 1994." This establishes that the magazine had editorial oversight. Cunard (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)</ul>
 * I agree with that "If AfD determines that it is not notable then a redirect to the list entry is exactly what we should have", so I would support keeping the redirect. Cunard (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep but encourage article restoration with new info per Cunard. Deryck C. 18:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Deep Silver Vienna
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  without prejudice against future article creation; or redirect recreation when relevant information is re-added to a related article. Deryck C. 16:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Deep Silver Vienna → Rockstar Vienna (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deep_Silver_Vienna&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deep Silver Vienna is a later name of Games that Matter Productions, the most notable successor of Rockstar Vienna, but neither title is directly realted to Rockstar Vienna and no significant information is included in the article. Delete. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 19:08, 8 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment there was plenty of information in the target article about Deep Silver Vienna, until it was removed in October by the nominator with the summary "Heavy cleanup" . There is no discussion related to this, so I'm tempted to say "restore content and keep" but I'll await any reasons not to. Thryduulf (talk) 07:26, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Withunder in that heavy cleanup was removal of uncited material, which covered everything of Deep Silver Vienna. As stated above a successor to the company was Games that Matter Productions, which was acquired and renamed Deep Silver Vienna, however, the latter part has nothing to do anymore with Rockstar Vienna, wherefore we shouldn't redirect it there. If was that notable, we could make a new article out of it. The foundation of Games that Matter Productions itself, which was also sourced before, is still in the article with the same source and as such covered in the infobox. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 07:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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Cyclobothra elegans (disambiguation)
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List of Sorcerous Stabber Orphen Episodes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)


 * List of Sorcerous Stabber Orphen Episodes → List of Sorcerous Stabber Orphen episodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Sorcerous_Stabber_Orphen_Episodes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

CSD G6 was undone recently. Episodes shouldn't be in caps. Article has moved to List of Sorcerous Stabber Orphen episodes already per MOS standards, and links to "Episodes" version have been removed. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't see anyone triggering this redirect. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:42, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
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Worst team ever
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete.  One of a series of dubious redirects created by NHL49. Nick (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Worst team ever → 2008 Detroit Lions season (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Worst_team_ever&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ] PRehse (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - because it's not clear where this redirect should go. There are sources for the 2008 Detroit Lions being the worst team in NFL history, so it's not vandalism. - Richard Cavell (talk) 12:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt until some media title is officially named as such. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt: Wait until other internet news coverage show up. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 16:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete "Worst team ever" is very subjective. Some people think, for example, that the Redskins are the worst team ever.  (I'm not saying they are or aren't.  I'm simply making a point.)  —   Gestrid  ( talk ) 20:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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You blew it
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete.  One of a series of dubious redirects created by NHL49. Nick (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * You blew it → Atlanta Falcons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=You_blew_it&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ] PRehse (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - the only source I can find is here. The South Park thing is something different. This redirect seems to have been created as a commentary. - Richard Cavell (talk) 12:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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28-3
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete.  One of a series of dubious redirects created by NHL49. Nick (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * 28-3 → Atlanta Falcons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=28-3&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless PRehse (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. It's comparable to 3-1, and isn't a memorable slogan. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Fat Granny Shaggar
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete.  BLP violation, even if such a redirect was plausible, BLP would take precedence and it is not appropriate to have such a redirect on the project. Nick (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Fat Granny Shaggar → Wayne Rooney (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fat_Granny_Shaggar&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ] PRehse (talk) 08:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - the chant "You're just a fat granny shagger" has existed for years and is specific to Wayne Rooney. This is a plausible misspelling of it. See here for its origin. - Richard Cavell (talk) 12:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 *  Conditional Move to Fat Granny Shagger and delete the Shaggar version. Add non-neutral name. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC) updated 16:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong conditional delete. This is a WP:BLP, a topic area where Wikipedia is understandably strict with sourcing. If this redirect is to be kept, there will need to be mention of the nickname at the target with a reliable source. Until then, deletion is the best course of action (and this really should be a WP:G10 deletion). I also oppose moving around redirects that weren't clearly created in error. If wanted the redirect to be Fat Granny Shagger, they would have created the redirect at that title. If the WP:BLP concern can be satisfied, creating Fat Granny Shagger should be a separate action left to editorial discretion. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That's true. This would have to be covered in some RS articles as a nickname first and not just memes and chants. Added conditional to my comment. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Musics
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 * The result of the discussion was dabify  . Will add the specified pages immediately and others can be added later. (non-admin closure)   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  07:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Musics → Musics (album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Musics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Music after move - musics is the plural form of music according to Wiktionary. Ssjhowarthisawesome (talk) 00:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Music, musics is a noun as above. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Music, Musics (album), Musics (magazine). - Richard Cavell (talk) 12:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Dab Those looking for Musics are looking for media that are titled as such. Its use as a plural is not feasible as music is a common word and would be WP:OVERLINKING. Compare Suns. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC) updated 17:32, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I also support creating a disambiguation page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:59, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Dabify per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - Traditionally, music is a mass noun, meaning it has no plural. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 17:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Dabify per above. Noting that there are meanings in which music can have a plural, for example when referring to the musical traditions of places ("the musics of England and France"). – Uanfala 11:59, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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