Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 June 27

June 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 27, 2017.

Bae Yong
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Bae Yong → Bae Yong-joon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bae_Yong&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bae Joon → Bae Yong-joon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bae_Joon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

In my understanding, it doesn't make any sense to split the hyphenated portion of a Korean name, leaving these redirects as making no sense. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete since they mislead just by existing. These were created by Neelix in 2007 when the article was at Bae Yong Joon. He probably thought each element was a separate name. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 10:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Xezbeth. [[User:PCN02WPS| PCN 02 ]] WPS 20:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. The way it's phrased, Bae is the family name. There's also a Bae Yong-Kyun and there is no person who goes by Baeyong. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:22, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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Big Walnut Middle Dchool
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:06, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Big Walnut Middle Dchool → Sunbury, Ohio (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Walnut_Middle_Dchool&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose deletion. Clear typo, not a plausible misspelling. Shows up in suggested search results for 'Big Walnut.' Ejg930 (talk) 22:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - and I am nominating Big walnut middle school to correct the capitalization. - Richard Cavell (talk) 10:16, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Additional - Actually, the nominated redirect appears to have been created as a mistake, here - Richard Cavell (talk) 10:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as mistaken and unlikely typo. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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DIRECT-MS
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  as unopposed. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * DIRECT-MS → Swank diet (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DIRECT-MS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"DIRECT-MS" is not mentioned at Swank diet. Deli nk (talk) 19:58, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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Best Bet Diet (multiple sclerosis)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Best Bet Diet (multiple sclerosis) → Management of multiple sclerosis (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Best_Bet_Diet_(multiple_sclerosis)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The subject of "best bet diet" is not mentioned at the target article, Management of multiple sclerosis. Deli nk (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete and remove from List of diets. It only has coverage among questionable multiple sclerosis blogs and not in news articles. Should it become notable beyond that then the red link is available to create Best Bet Diet without the modifier. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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MCDONALD'S
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GEOCITIES
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  A source has been provided to show this would pass RCAPS, and all subsequent !votes were in favor of keeping. Even though the numbers may make this seem like a "no consensus", this should be a full "keep". -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * GEOCITIES → Yahoo! GeoCities (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GEOCITIES&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RCAPS. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment this had a small surge of views (90-100 in a month) in April and May 2017. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is no such thing as GEOCITIES. Keep the Geocities redirect and delete this one. - Richard Cavell (talk) 19:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:30, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per it was stylised in all capitals at the end of its life; geocites.ws one of the main geocities archivers is exclusively stylised in all caps, together meaning there is a clear connection between the subject and the capitalisation thus meeting WP:RCAPS. Additionally, the redirect received over 200 views between January and May this year meaning that people clearly find it useful - WP:RFD. Thryduulf (talk) 08:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Thryduulf above. When a topic is (or was) frequently referred to in all caps, WP:RCAPS does not require, or even sugest, that a redirect from such a form be deleted. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, f  e  minist  16:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf. Stylization that is in use would pass RCAPS  Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:35, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf's findings as RCAPS. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:14, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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Hamilton Wyoming High School
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Deryck C. 14:20, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Hamilton Wyoming High School → Wyoming High School (Ohio) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hamilton_Wyoming_High_School&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hamilton W High School → Wyoming High School (Ohio) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hamilton_W_High_School&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I haven't found evidence that Wyoming High School in Ohio has ever used "Hamilton" in its school name. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment The high school is in Hamilton County, Ohio. I'm neutral towards that as the searcher is trying to find that high school. But the second one where it's just Hamlton W can be deleted as not a notable nickname. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:18, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete both. I don't see any usage of "Hamilton Wyoming" and "Hamilton W". There is a neighboring high school called Hamilton High School, so I'm sure they wouldn't want to adopt those names. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete both. As an Ohio native, I became accustomed to hearing Place Name High School as a shorthand for indicating the place in which Name High School is located, e.g. if you don't want to say "Carroll High School, located in Dayton, beat Davidson High School, located in Hilliard", you say "Dayton Carroll High School beat Hilliard Davidson High School".  But I've never heard the county name employed for this purpose, and the use of the city name, combined with the nearby city of Hamilton that Angus notes, makes this quite confusing — one would expect "Hamilton Wyoming High School" to be Wyoming High School in the city of Hamilton.  Nyttend (talk) 23:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * PS, I suppose the county might be used if there were two high schools with the same name (e.g. Oakwood, Cuyahoga County, Ohio had its own high school, and you had to say "Cuyahoga Oakwood HS" to distinguish it from Montgomery Oakwood HS in Oakwood, Montgomery County, Ohio), but first off I'm not aware of any of those, and secondly there's nowhere in Ohio called "Wyoming" except the one where this high school is located, so it's not necessary to distinguish this one from any other. Nyttend (talk) 23:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
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Chinese mars exploration program
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 * The result of the discussion was   Delete/Retarget. Chinese mars exploration program  deleted, Chinese Mars exploration program  retargeted to Chinese space program. Alex ShihTalk 18:09, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Chinese mars exploration program → Yinghuo-1 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_mars_exploration_program&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Chinese Mars exploration program → Mars Global Remote Sensing Orbiter and Small Rover (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_Mars_exploration_program&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  – added 13:06, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization error on Mars, and the correctly-spelled redirect Chinese Mars exploration program points to a different article: confusing when searching. — JFG talk 17:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete the nominated title with lowercase 'm', which exposes the last-mentioned redirect with uppercase 'M'. There isn't a perfect target but Mars Global Remote Sensing Orbiter and Small Rover is the best one available. - Richard Cavell (talk) 21:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Confusing redirect that sends the reader in chaos. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 21:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * DAB the correctly capitalized version between the current target, Mars Global Remote Sensing Orbiter and Small Rover, and anything else relevant, and retarget this there. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Adding Chinese Mars exploration program to nomination as that redirect's fate is being discussed as well.
 * Retarget to Chinese_space_program and add Mars Global Remote Sensing Orbiter and Small Rover and other programs to that section. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mars Global Remote Sensing Orbiter and Small Rover, the same target as Chinese Mars exploration program. There's no reason for the two redirects to point to different articles, but also no confusion if they point to the same one, so no cause to delete. (Retargeting to Chinese space program per AngusWoof or dabifying per Patar knight would also be better than deleting). – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 13:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 13:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget "Mars" and Delete "mars" – Agree that Chinese space program would be a better target for the generic descriptive title "Chinese Mars exploration program". Then, I don't see the point of keeping an equivalent redirect with only "mars" spelled lowercase, so delete that one. — JFG talk 16:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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SpaceX reusable orbital taxi
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * SpaceX reusable orbital taxi → SpaceX Dragon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SpaceX_reusable_orbital_taxi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mainstream use of this term to designate the SpaceX Dragon capsule. Term is no longer mentioned in target article (apparently it was in 2014 when this redirect was created). Misleading for readers who search for "SpaceX reusable…" — JFG talk 12:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - the word "taxi" is problematic here. It's not up to us to legitimize the word being used in this way. - Richard Cavell (talk) 13:59, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- agree. This term has not come into widespread use, even though it was in the article cited in the section this redierct pointed at when the redirect was created.  I was the original creator of the redirect.  Think it is no longer useful.  N2e (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete at this point taxi is used in SpaceX Dragon 2, but it's not a common Wikipedia-notable term. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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Jimmy Nalls
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn   – nominator has turned the redirect into an article. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 21:46, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Jimmy Nalls → Sea Level (band) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Nalls&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A new article should be created for Jimmy Nalls as his contribution is in no way limited to Sea Level. <b style="color:#c00">Яed</b> G✪lpe 🎤 12:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Then be bold and create it!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Would love to if I had at least a couple of vital information (like his birth date). Edit: found it, attempting to create article. <b style="color:#c00">Яed</b> G✪lpe 🎤 12:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Article created. Not sure if the whole section should be removed. <b style="color:#c00">Яed</b> G✪lpe 🎤 12:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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Lists of reptiles of the Dominican Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  as G6 by . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Lists of reptiles of the Dominican Republic → List of amphibians and reptiles of Dominica (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_reptiles_of_the_Dominican_Republic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Points to a completely different geographic location - obvious error. PRehse (talk) 12:11, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete. This was obviously created in error by somebody who confused the two countries.  As such, surely it meets db-error? — Smjg (talk) 12:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Pinging in case he wants to respond. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 14:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete - I'm not sure that db-error applies, but WP:SNOW does. This redirect is factually plainly incorrect and misleading. - Richard Cavell (talk) 14:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as obviously created in error. Also, I'm not seeing any suitable targets in either Category:Fauna of the Dominican Republic or Category:Lists of biota of the Dominican Republic. – Uanfala 15:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment No explanation has been given for the removal of db-error from this redirect.   How is there any doubt about it? — Smjg (talk) 16:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply - I believe that db-error applies to pages that were created inconsistently with the intention of the creator, due to technical error/language error/etc. If a well-meaning editor creates a page that is consistent with his intention, db-error does not apply. - Richard Cavell (talk) 17:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you have evidence of this? Neither the wording of db-error nor of WP:G6 makes a distinction between an inherent error in an editor's intention and an error in the execution of an intention, as far as I can see.... — Smjg (talk) 12:22, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Deleted; G6 is indeed meant for this purpose. Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
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Non-freeware
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . While both the arguments for retargetting and for deletion seemed reasonable, the fact this has no mainspace incoming links and that even amongst those advocating retargetting there is no consensus as to what the target should be, I do believe consensus in this RfD is for deletion of non-freeware. Additionally, this does not conflict much with the !votes to retarget to freeware to "help people searching", because freeware is going to be the first result for a "non-freeware" title search anyways once the redirect is deleted.  Ben—Salvidrim!   &#9993;  20:48, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Non-freeware → Business software (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Non-freeware&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retarget to Commercial software --37.126.12.130 (talk) 00:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget per nomination as Business software is not an antonym of freeware. Thryduulf (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - vague. Non-freeware is a large galaxy of things that are not commercial software. What about shareware, adware, FOSS, postcardware, .... Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment should this go to Freeware as an, as with unfriend? <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:08, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to freeware - I agree with AngusWOOF. No other target is a definition of "non-freeware", so let's give them what freeware is. - Richard Cavell (talk) 20:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarget to Commercial software. If a person is searching for "non-freeware", I think it's more likely they are actually wanting to read about commercial software. That coupled with the fact that non-freeware very closely matches the idea of Commercial software convinces me. I see nominator had already retargeted. Jason Quinn (talk) 14:55, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 19:08, 12 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Retargeting to Freeware seems to have received the most traction so far, but there seems to be room for further discussion.
 * I'm fine with either a retarget to Freeware per Angus or deletion per Ivanvector. Shareware is a good example of non-freeware that's not (necessarily) commercial. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:51, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I also think that going to 'Freeware' makes sense as that article goes into detail about what does and doesn't qualify. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 11:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – Useless and not well-specified in the industry. Readers can use "freeware", "shareware", "free software", "business software", etc. Why should we have "Non-X" for every "X" when the "Non-X" term is not widely used in WP:RS? — JFG talk 13:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per JFG. Deryck C. 10:19, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not mentioned anywhere, and its meaning is unclear and ambiguous - does it mean software that is not freeware, or that is not free software? Peter James (talk) 23:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I recently created wikt:non-freeware. --George Ho (talk) 00:45, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hater Shit
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