Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 May 8

May 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 8, 2017.

Tanya Adams
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Tanya Adams → Command & Conquer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tanya_Adams&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect does not point to any information. I traced its history. It appears the information this redirect targeted was moved/merged into different articles and was ultimately erased into oblivion. Codename Lisa (talk) 10:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete we do not appear to have any information about this character (sometimes it seems just called "Tanya" or "Agent Tanya") on Wikipedia and there is no other notable person or character with this name. Note that if this is deleted the entry should be removed from Tanya (disambiguation). Thryduulf (talk) 10:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't see any news articles that list her last name, however, she is a character as Tanya or Agent Tanya in the Command & Conquer: Red Alert series. If desired this could move to Tanya (Red Alert) and redirect to the franchise. Also there used to be a List of Command & Conquer characters article,  but it's been redirected to the main franchise. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:25, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, so now you are saying the last name is totally made-up? All the more reason to delete it and don't look back. If you want to risk restoring the old deleted revision, I won't stop you. Just a warning: Editors working the video game's area can be very mean and abusive. I myself think that revision is ... to put it politely... very unencyclopedic. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 05:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The last name is probably real, but sources would need to be dug up to prove it. The given name however has sources that can be used right away.  And no, I'm not proposing the old characters article be restored, that's a can of worms. ;) AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:29, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, concerning it might be true, but needed to prove, I suggest to ask the official if they could help. Anyone got the contact or working in Electronic Arts or used to work there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devil-lightening (talk • contribs) 14:55, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That would count as original research and is forbidden. (Futile too, because none of the old Westwood employees work for EA anymore.) Redundant too, because there isn't anything encyclopedic to be said about this character. Codename Lisa (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If it helps, the Red Alert, Red Alert 2, and Red Alert 3 manuals refer to her either as Tanya or Agent Tanya. Also checked some videos on the net, there is one where they refer to her in-game as Tanya Adams. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:03, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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Mark (singer)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Mark (name).  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  11:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Mark (singer) → Mark Lee (singer) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_(singer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect is ambiguous as to what it should be targeting as there are several Marks in the world who are singers other than Mark Lee. Marky Mark comes to mind, for instance.

Note that I declined a speedy deletion proposal that didn't specify a valid criteria and fixed the redirect that, after a series of page moves, had somehow ended up targeting itself. –Grondemar 04:46, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I moved the page from Mark (singer) to Mark Lee (singer) (obviously because the surname had to be included), but the intended target redirected back to Mark (singer). Hence, I performed a page swap. I didn't think the left over redirect at Mark (singer) was a plausible/nessecary redirect so I marked it for speedy deletion with words to this effect. Sorry for any confusion. —Frosty ☃ 05:00, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. He appears to be sufficiently well-known by his (albeit ambiguous) first name as a South Korean boy-band member, but his article should include his other name (as it currently does per user:Frosty). See WP:NICKNAME and WP:MONONYM. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Not the only singer called Mark, and clearly not the primary topic for the term "Mark", so this redirect serves no purpose. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mark (name) which lists a bunch of notable Marks involved in music. I agree the boy band member isn't primary topic. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:26, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per AngusWOOF. Thryduulf (talk) 10:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per AngusWOOF. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:24, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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Fürst, Bibl. Jud.
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 19:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Fürst, Bibl. Jud. → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%BCrst,_Bibl._Jud.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Furst, Bibl. Jud. → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furst,_Bibl._Jud.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fuerst, Bibl. Judaica → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuerst,_Bibl._Judaica&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fuerst, Bibl. Jud. → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuerst,_Bibl._Jud.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Julius Fuerst → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Julius_Fuerst&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Bibl. Jud. → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bibl._Jud.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fürst, Bibl. Judaica → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%BCrst,_Bibl._Judaica&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Furst, Bibl. Judaica → Julius Fürst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furst,_Bibl._Judaica&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Wew are not a concordance, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. When deleted as I strongly suggest there will be two redirects left to this very notable scholar, but not seven hundred variations that don't conform to WP:ARTICLETITLE. I know we don't have to for redirects, but we could maybe have a stab at it for making people to be able to find what they are looking for. less is more. Just, we are not a concordance, Talmud, Bible, Koran or otherwise. Si Trew (talk) 09:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Shalom, I have a feeling the author of User:Eubot was Jewish. Like User:Neelix was Christian. Neelix apologised for his sins and I think we all said you don't have to apologise to us you have to apologise to yourself, find your own peace. I feel the same with the author of this bot. I can be pissed off with the bot but I am not pissed off with he or she. They did what they thought right. That is what we all have to do. Sometimes we get it wrong. But that doesn't make you a bad person. I can have a go at the bot because it has no feelings. I would have a pint with the person who created them and say what were you thinking of? You're wrong but you're not bad. The creator only made about fifty edits. Dutch it seems from the name. Well, someone has to clear up the shit. Still, I would have a pint. I am never angry with a person. I am only angry with what they do. Those are different things. Si Trew (talk) 09:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The admins who 'let iUser:Eubot run after a trial of forty, yes, forty'' edits never got it wrong? You don't see them here apologising do you? They are probably still admins. Si Trew (talk) 09:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Take RfD today for "". I will quote exactly what i said there:
 * I can be pissed off with the bot but I am not pissed off with he or she. They did what they thought right. That is what we all have to do. Sometimes we get it wrong. But that doesn't make you a bad person. I can have a go at the bot because it has no feelings. I would have a pint with the person who created them and say what were you thinking of? You're wrong but you're not bad. The creator only made about fifty edits. Dutch it seems from the name. Well, someone has to clear up the shit. Still, I would have a pint. I am never angry with a person. I am only angry with what they do. Those are different things. Si Trew (talk) 17:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Keep all. Julius Fuerst is a perfectly standard transliteration of a German name. The rest are all different ways he is cited in different sources and all likely search terms on their own, even without the WP:DIACRITICS reasons to keep those without. Thryduulf (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Obvious keep Julius Fuerst per Thryduulf. Keep Bibl. Jud. as the standard abbreviation for Bibliotheca Judaica, which redirects to the author. Delete the rest as implausible combinations of the two. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Every single one of these is used in sources, e.g. "Fürst, Bibl. Judaica" is used in, "Fuerst, Bibl. Judaica" is used in . Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'll switch to neutral on them. If anything, that looks to be a good reason to create Bibl. Judaica as they still look completely separate to me. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep all per Thryduulf. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:27, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
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P2008
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget    to Tecnam P2004 Bravo,  to Tecnam P2008,  to Tecnam P2012 Traveller, and delete the others.   Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  05:16, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * P2008 → United States presidential election, 2008 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P2008&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * P1988 → United States presidential election, 1988 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P1988&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * P1992 → United States presidential election, 1992 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P1992&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * P1996 → United States presidential election, 1996 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P1996&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * P2004 → United States presidential election, 2004 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P2004&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * P2012 → United States presidential election, 2012 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P2012&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * P2016 → United States presidential election, 2016 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P2016&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Never seen this before. Also, might refer to a specific entry using a specialized nomenclature. Might also be used in coding. But I pay a lot of attention to my country's politics, and this is not something I've seen.

After doing research, I see this number primarily used in reference to a notable Italian aircraft vehicle, and a trouble code for a part in various vehicles. The only reference to the campaign/election is this site by Democracy in Action, a website (organization?) operated by the George Washington University. But the "p2008" seems to have been chosen for simplicity, and not because it is a common term. Mr. Guye (talk) 01:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * See also: P1988, P1992, P1996, P2004, P2012, P2016. P2000 is a disambiguation page. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tecnam P2008, I have yet to evaluate the ones linked above, but I'll add them to this nomination. (Update, see below) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate P2004 with :P/2004 PY42, P/2004 V4 and Tecnam P2004 Bravo
 * Disambiguate P2012 with 276P/Vorobjov, where the name " P/2012 T7 (VOROBJOV)" is mentioned and Tecnam P2012 Traveller.
 * Retarget P2016 to 252P/LINEAR, where P/2016 BA14 points to.
 * Delete the others for the abbreviations are not commonly attested and there are no articles they could refer to. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 02:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * retarget/disambig/delete per Champion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget P2004 to Tecnam P2004 Bravo, P2008 to Tecnam P2008, and P2012 to Tecnam P2012 Traveller, per Champion, and delete the others. "P/2004" in a comet's name simply indicates it's a periodic comet discovered in 2004, of which there are several.  Creating a dab page for these uses would go against WP:PTM.—Ketil Trout (&lt;&gt;&lt;!) 21:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * List of periodic comets discovered in 2004 sounds like a very useful set index to me. Thryduulf (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Ketiltrout's proposal. The comets would be WP:PTMs and not suitable for disambiguation. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete all. These "abbreviations" are unattested and make no sense. I know many Wikipedians are British, but I'm American, and we don't even use any of these abbreviations over here. Just delete these ridiculous Redirects. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 04:22, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Do what Champion said - per Champion. I also like Thryduulf's suggestion of creating a set index List of periodic comets discovered in 2004 which the dab at P2004 could link to as a see-also. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:47, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * Support Ketiltrout's retargeting to periodic comets. Delete all the others. If only a specific group is using it for political years then that's not Wikipedia appropriate.  <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:16, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support 's proposal for selective retargeting to the aircraft articles. If the comets can be searched for using strings like "P2006" (can they?), then 1) the redirect targets would need hatnotes pointing to an anchor within the table at List of periodic comets; and 2) and  could be targeted to the same list. In either scenario,  and  would get deleted.  – Uanfala 16:33, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * delete all. All potential targets a only tangential matches, at best. Let the search engine and the user's ingenuity do their work - Nabla (talk) 13:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The aircraft models do indeed look like WP:PTMs, but they seem to be commonly referred to just using the model number, see for the P2012:  . – Uanfala 11:51, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I would not oppose that, I guess - I have not looked much into it. Still, most partial matches will be found by searching, and when editing I doubt it is the wiser option to use the redirects - Nabla (talk) 20:59, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Endorse Champion's or Ketiltrout's proposal - No way should those redirects refer to US presidential elections. Disambiguate some and redirect some others to other targets. They can refer to any airplane model or some galaxy thing from space. --George Ho (talk) 16:12, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support 's proposal. Makes the most sense as some of these could still be plausible search terms.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  03:56, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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Second Sino-Indian War
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  to delete. I'm going to follow Patar knight's proposal as I don't feel comfortable retargeting this to an unsourced article that seems to advance a non-neutral point of view. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Second Sino-Indian War → Nathu La and Cho La incidents (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Sino-Indian_War&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The second Sino-indian war never happened. This is term never used to describe these incidents and the page was created with no prior discussion. Adamgerber80 (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget Sino-Indian_War, to China–India_relations, which is the parent article and where all conflicts past the first Sino-Indian War are mentioned and made clear that they were minor. It's a plausible search term since the possibility of it occurring is of academic interest. Better to mark it as r from incorrect name to a section which explains that no large scale war has occured since.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC) (edited 04:21, 18 May 2017 (UTC))

Hindi source clearly mentions "Sino-Indian War of 1967" ("युद्ध" translates to "war") See at: http://hindi.revoltpress.com/featured/know-about-1967-india-china-war/

The conflict certainly amounts to a 'war' as the source also clearly mentions. I think some users are looking at it in view of the First Sino-Indian War and therefore are termining it 'minor' due to comparitively lesser casualties. However, the numbers among themselves are still staggering and do fit the definition of war (complies with the definition from any source). The territorial changes were also significant with Nathu La and Cho La seeing a withdrawl of Chinese troops which eventually led to the accession of the Kingdom of Sikkim into India! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coconut1002 (talk • contribs) 04:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

English news source clearly mentions "1967 Indo-China war": http://www.merinews.com/article/indo-pak-war-like-situation-why-china-will-not-dare-to-wage-a-war-against-india-in-support-of-pakistan/15919724.shtml -coconut1002 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coconut1002 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think we had this before, but struggle to find it. Would it help if I tried to search for First Chinese-Indian War or Second Chinese-Indian War? I suppose what I am asking is how many readers are going to see "Sino" and take as "Chinese"? I dunno the answer to that, and I am not going to rely on stats for that; that is the job of the indexer to make an intelligent guess. My guess is Delete . Si Trew (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * might be worth asking at WP:MILHIST. Usually is. Si Trew (talk) 13:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Asked advice at WT:MILHIST referring back to here. Si Trew (talk) 13:27, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete - the 1967 conflicts were so minor that no reliable sources call them a war. -Zanhe (talk) 15:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment: the term does not appear to be mentioned here: . I couldn't get the full view of this book to check:, but it seems like it might offer something one way or the other. I wonder if someone else might be able to see if Second Sino-Indian War is mentioned in it? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * hahah User:Zanhe. "We are not at war. We are in armed conflict". Anthony Eden, wasn't it? Si Trew (talk) 10:49, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Sino-Indian wars and conflicts where the searcher can choose which conflict they are thinking of. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * I changed my !vote above, but now I think that China–India_relations is the best target. It's the parent article for Sino-Indian relations as a whole and is better sourced than my original proposal. I would oppose retargeting to Sino-Indian wars and conflicts, which seems to push a nationalist Indian POV that the 1967 skirmishes were a war with equal standing to the 1962 war. I would in fact support retargeting that article to China–India_relations.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:01, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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🦔
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  12:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="🦔">🦔 → Hedgehog (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%F0%9F%A6%94&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Makes no sense Peter Rehse (talk) 08:37, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - 🦔, i.e. "HEDGEHOG", is one of the 51 characters recently approved by the Unicode Consortium as part of Unicode 10.0. Support may be limited until at least the second half of 2017. See and . —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 08:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is character is "U+1F994 HEDGEHOG". Thryduulf (talk) 10:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget somewhere that explains what it is and what it looks like. "[] redirects here" is not a very helpful message. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 22:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep newly defined emoji, standard practice to redirect these to what they represent. I just created 🥦 → Broccoli. – Train2104 (t • c) 04:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think Wikipedia should aim for best practice rather than settle for anything completely crappy less good just because it's always been done like that. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 23:21, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * what would be better practice than redirecting a character to its meaning? Thryduulf (talk) 08:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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Soul Special City
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . No consensus after relisting. (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  10:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Soul Special City → Seoul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soul_Special_City&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Sŏul Special City">Sŏul Special City → Seoul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=S%C5%8Ful_Special_City&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Sŏul Special City">Sŏul Special City → Seoul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=S%C5%8Ful_Special_City&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) WP:RFD nonsense. I don't think most English speakers spell the capital of this place as "Soul". They certainly won't then spell it as Soul Special City. Redirect to Memphis, Tennessee if you must. But this is nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 07:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete see zh:Soul Special, an article about a Korean drama, anyway, a search for this exact phrase does not reveal usage in RS, and almost all the sources are mirrors of Wikipedia. If there was an English article about that drama, retargeting it there would still be WP:R 5 nonsense. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Added Sŏul Special City, which the originally listed redirect transliterates. Delete both, the purpose of the redirect is not apparent. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:40, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete this isn't a -by-the-sea kind of suffix or Seoul City or SAR. No use in news articles or books. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:53, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep both. List of special cities of South Korea informs that "Special cities are one of the first-level administrative divisions within South Korea. There are 8 first-level cities in South Korea", a list which includes Seoul, and the further notes in other sections that there are different types of special city, including "Special City", of which Seoul is the only example. Therefore Special City of Seoul and Seoul Special City are good redirect. The Seoul article notes that Sŏul is the romanisation of the city's name in the McCune–Reischauer system which was official until 2000, so Sŏul Special City is a good redirect, and thus per WP:DIACRITICS is Soul Special City. Thryduulf (talk) 00:48, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf. The combination of "Sǒul" with English "Special City" makes it an unlikely search term but it's not wrong. Until some spiritual movement decides to build a "Soul Special City" for the fun of it, Seoul Special City is the appropriate primary topic of these titles. Deryck C. 10:55, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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WP;RM
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:38, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * WP;RM → Wikipedia:Requested moves (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WP;RM&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Poorly formatted attempt at a shortcut winds up in the article space UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:28, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:COSTLY. No more affinity for the error of a semi-colon instead of a colon than any other shortcut. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 06:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete relatively new cross-namespace redirect (CNR) with no appreciable benefit. Although we might keep a CNR, where it could arguably help a very new editor, the best form is not "jargon", (only the more proficient editors would be mistyping WP:RM), but plain text, (the best for new editors). For example, we can anticipate that new editors may desire information about editing articles, or creating an article, or even Wikipedia policy, and these plain text CNRs have long served that purpose. Indeed they may even desire information about moving a page, and this is covered as well.--John Cline (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. I was going to make the same argument that John Cline has just done, but probably not as eloquently. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a common typo for me, and I'm not the only one. I read WP:COSTLY. I get the point about problematic redirects. But what problem does this one cause? --В²C ☎ 16:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * For an error to have what we call affinity to a title here at redirects for discussion, it must be an error that does not equally apply to similar titles, otherwise a decision here to retain it is an implicit endorsement that creating it for other similar titles is acceptable. All of the innumerable titles and shortcuts outside of the mainspace include a namespace prefix and colon (i.e. X:), so unless a specific connection between this one and a semi-colon can be demonstrated, the error is implausible. —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 23:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I get that. I suppose we can't make all WP;* redirects to their WP:* counterparts. Are can't we? I mean, why not, really. In one sense it would clutter article space, but article space isn't really perusable, so who would be affected by such clutter?  I wish wiki search/Go software would automatically substitute WP;* with WP:*.  It's so easy to mistype ; instead of Shift-; (for :).  --В²C ☎ 23:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Read Cross-namespace redirects for a broad summary of the problem but basically links from reader facing areas to project space areas should be minimised to avoid confusion between encyclopaedia content and working spaces. You can propose the search engine is adjusted to automatically treat WP; as if it were WP; if you want, but I'm not sure where you would do that - WP:VPTECH would be my first thought. Thryduulf (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * *Delete . There is no benefit in encouraging the creation an maintenance of thousands (literally) of WP; shortcuts that duplicate WP: ones. Thryduulf (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Indent and strike unintentional !vote duplication.--John Cline (talk) 09:32, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that, and apologies for the accidental double !vote. I evidently wasn't as awake as I thought I was when I wrote that at breakfast time this morning! Thryduulf (talk) 10:23, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete ideally the software should handle something like that, but for now this creates a slippery slope for stuff like WP;AFD. f  e  minist  12:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - the semicolon makes this shortcut live in article space, which makes it a forbidden WP:CNR. I too miss the shift when quickly typing stuff (wp;afd is my most common) but there's no reason for us to pollute article space with editors' typos. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:41, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:NONPOV
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Neutral point of view. There's no consensus to delete, and this was the most widely supported retarget. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:37, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * NONPOV → Wikipedia:Pages with neutrality problems (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NONPOV&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This shortcut is a shortcut created a month ago which targets an essay created a month ago. I think this should be retargeted to Neutral point of view, the target of shortcut NPOV. Steel1943 (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2017 (UTC) Keeping the shortcut or linking it to WP:NPOV would make more sense, the first if we agree that this essay can have such a redirect, the second if not; because that one tells the reader what to do when you have no NPOV.Burning Pillar (talk) 13:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I'd have expected NONPOV to be a shortcut to either Neutral point of view - which is where both WP:YESPOV and WP:NOPOV point - or to some page or paragraph that clearly explains that "neutral point of view" doesn't mean "no point of view". Sideways713 (talk) 20:49, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: Neutral point of view is a good alternative. Steel1943  (talk) 21:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. YESPOV and NOPOV link to that because it explains that expressing attributed POV's is ok, and-with due weight- actually that what NPOV means.... while NONPOV specifically says No neutral point of view.
 * Delete or retarget. I'm not comfortable with the current target having a WP shortcut at this time in its life when there is no evidence that it holds widespread acceptance (or even widespread knowledge of its existence), or has been the subject of significant discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Delete - I wouldn't object to a re-targeting, but then I guess we can just be rid of this. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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Georgia State Route 393
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Deryck C. 22:46, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Georgia State Route 393 → List of former state routes in Georgia (U.S. state) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Georgia_State_Route_393&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

State Route 393 never appeared on GDOT's state maps. According to the Madison County maps, "393" was a county route number, NOT a state route. Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - Google Maps claims that it still is "State Route 393," and makes other route designations in that area that should probably be called into question. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Acording to the Madison County maps, "393" on the listed route indicates a county route number. In 1994, "393" was partially redesignated as "443". Google Maps is not 100% reliable, ever since they allowed users to edit maps themselves. So, lots of highways in Georgia have state route number shields on them. Some of them have never been state routes. As a side note, there is a SR 172 and county route 172 in the same area. Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * delete GMaps is not a good enough source, especially in the face of official sources that contradict it. Mangoe (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: If you go to this link, and you select Madison County, you can download the county maps in Zip format. Then, look at the legend for the maps. That is how I determined that "393" and thus "443" are county route numbers. GDOT does not sign county routes, as they do Interstate highways, U.S. highways, and state routes. Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: So, if Georgia State Route 393 is erroneous, shouldn't List of former state routes in Georgia (U.S. state) be removed then? -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would. I was just waiting to see if this redirect gets deleted first. Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 19:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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