Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 November 9

November 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 9, 2017.

Plumbus
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 November 17%23Plumbus

Regional anthem
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Anthem. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 11:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Regional anthem → National anthem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Regional_anthem&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

region ≠ nation. f eminist 15:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment maybe retarget to anthem and move the content at National anthem there? Or even split that content out to regional anthem? 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep information is there, possibly split to a separate page. Peter James (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Anthem per 59.149.124.29. I have moved the non-national anthem content from National anthem to Anthem. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * ,, , what do you think about retageting to the newly added section at Anthem? – Uanfala 13:47, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes as the content has been moved - probably better there than in National anthem. Peter James (talk) 17:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:40, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Retarget to Anthem. f eminist 11:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
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International anthem
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Anthem. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 11:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


 * International anthem → National anthem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_anthem&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

International anthems may include stuff like Anthem of Europe, The Internationale, Earth anthems, gay anthems, etc. f eminist 15:10, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment maybe retarget to anthem and move the content at National anthem there? 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Don't obstruct Search by guessing what the user means. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep "International anthem" is mentioned and examples include Anthem of Europe and The Internationale - search results are various national or state anthems and the list of national anthems. Peter James (talk) 16:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Anthem where the content Peter James mentioned has been moved to. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Anthem per discussion above. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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Midas-22
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:10, 17 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Midas-22 → Austin Powers in Goldmember (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Midas-22&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Midas 22 → Austin Powers in Goldmember (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Midas_22&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Super obscure. I consider myself an Austin Powers fan and didn't recognize this. It's tagged with R from fictional character, but based on a YouTube clip I just checked, I think it's actually a fictional meteor. Regardless, it's not mentioned at the target article, and it wasn't even mentioned when the redirect was created. --BDD (talk) 17:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I don't see it in Asteroids in fiction either. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:02, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:49, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Age at date
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . With external help I realized my template name was stupid, so I'm changing that instead of the redirect. Primefac (talk) 12:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Template:Age at date → Template:Age (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Age_at_date&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I recently created age at a date, and I think that this redirect should be retargeted there because it more closely matches the name of my template than just age. If there is a better-sounding name for my template, I'm willing to entertain a page move. Primefac (talk) 15:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * , I think your template fits more of an "event-date and age" rather than an age, since it includes the date of the event. If someone wants just the age based on a certain date they'd use age or the other age templates. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup, you're exactly right. I just couldn't for the life of me figure out what to call the damn thing. Consider this withdrawn. Primefac (talk) 12:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Affluenza in Australia
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Affluenza teen
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn.   Steel1943  (talk) 01:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Affluenza teen → Ethan Couch (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Affluenza_teen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This possibly ambiguous phrase is not a alternative name specific or exclusive to its target. Steel1943 (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a silly sort of buzzword, but this was a very common name for Couch in the media. See . I recognize the press nickname but wouldn't've been able to name the kid. I think we're looking at a primary topic even if there are other notable subjects that this could refer to. --BDD (talk) 17:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep many of the online news articles call him 'Affluenza' teen with single quotes, as primary topic. Hatnote could go to the Affluenza if there's a notable section about teenagers. But I think the moniker is sticking like Star Wars kid AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as creator, since many media outlets had given Couch the nickname of "Affluenza teen" at time of creation. Booyahhayoob (talk) 00:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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John Connolly (journalist)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to John Connolly. It has been determined that John Connolly (blogger) and John Connolly (author) both can be considered journalists depending on one's definition. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:15, 17 November 2017 (UTC)


 * John Connolly (journalist) → John Connolly (blogger) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Connolly_(journalist)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * John connolly (journalist) → John Connolly (blogger) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_connolly_(journalist)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (added by 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC))

There is more than one journalist named John Connolly; the American journalist by that name, though there is no article about him at present, is a Vanity Fair writer and arguably more prominent. Should be retargeted to the disambiguation page for John Connolly. I contemplated doing so myself but am not sure if that's the correct protocol, so here I am. Coretheapple (talk) 13:23, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't usually make sense to disambiguate for nonexistent articles. See MOS:DABRED for a relevant guideline. The effect is usually that one article becomes more difficult to find, and we leave readers a false trail to a dead end. The American journalist may well be more notable, but should have an article before we make that judgment. John Connolly (American journalist) is probably the title to use; maybe just plain (journalist) if we say the blogger isn't a journalist, though the distinction seems sufficiently blurry for me to think including the American's nationality would be the way to go.
 * Anyway, that's a roundabout keep as is, without objection to swiftly retargeting to the dab John Connolly if the American journalist gets an article. --BDD (talk) 14:53, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Now that you mention it, the Irish gent really isn't a journalist at all, so I don't think this redirect is correct. I just think that since there is a prominent U.S. journalist by that name (his lack of article notwithstanding) this redirect needs to be retitled, or perhaps eliminated as indeed the Irish one is not a journalist. Coretheapple (talk) 15:47, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * What makes a journalist, though? If someone publishes information that brings scandal to a politician, they're probably either a journalist or political operative. Perhaps both. The situation here seems sufficiently sketchy that no, I wouldn't say the Irish guy is definitely a journalist, but it seems plausible enough for a reader to think so. The IP below may have a point, though. I can't see much harm coming from retargeting to the dab. --BDD (talk) 19:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to John Connolly as R from incomplete disambiguation, more or less. John Connolly (author) also used to be a journalist; he may not be known primarily as a journalist, but then the blogger isn't exactly a journalist either (at least, his page doesn't call him one). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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Sweatman (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus , with good arguments on both sides, and the tradition at RfD for redirects like this to split opinions making it unlikely for a relist to lead to a more definite outcome. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 11:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Sweatman (disambiguation) → Sweatman (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sweatman_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target is a surname page, not a disambiguation page. Peter James (talk) 12:45, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as R from incorrect disambiguation. The target page contains a list of topics that can be referred to as "Sweatman", including Sweatman, Mississippi and a few people. f eminist 14:47, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * See Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 19 and several speedy deletions such as Aimoto (disambiguation). Sweatman, Mississippi isn't included in the list of topics, it's a hatnote from the primary topic to the only other topic, where a disambiguation page isn't needed - see Articles for deletion/Sweetman (disambiguation) which is the same situation with a similar name. Peter James (talk) 23:54, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. I created the page (so closer might use WP:G7), I think to create an INTDAB link from the now-deleted Sweetman dab, but I agree that the target isn't a dab page (although the difference is very small). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:09, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:G7, like all other CSD criteria, is for uncontroversial deletion. If there's an XFD discussion with good-faith keep !votes, then it would not apply. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Surname SIAs are functionally DABs and deleting this would hurt navigation for the overwhelming majority of readers who don't know the difference between the two and can't be expected to know exactly what topics Wikipedia has articles on. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:19, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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