Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 15

October 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 15, 2017.

MSoft
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  11:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * MSoft → Microsoft (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MSoft&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a valid alternative name, there are other (non-notable) companies by this name. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:12, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Lots of other companies in searches. No confusion with MSFT or Microsoft. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:17, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Companies other than the obvious Microsoft use this name.--SamHolt6 (talk) 05:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Heaven's Day
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Tense (album). A hatnote pointing to The Big O shall be added. (non-admin closure)  Winged Blades of Godric On leave 12:31, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Heaven's Day → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heaven%27s_Day&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is also a track on an album by TVXQ. Should this be a dab page? JZCL 21:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Tense (album) per nom. I don't see this being used in multiple cases to justify a dab, and it is not mentioned in the Christmas article. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect per, but with a hatnote to The Big O where there is a mention of a fictional holiday like Christmas (the same thing is at List of fictional holidays). It definitely shouldn't redirect to Christmas. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:32, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a good option for the hatnote, either The Big O or the List of fictional holidays. It may depend on whether it's a notable holiday in that story like a Remembrance Day, or whether it's mentioned in passing, and whether other media use the same convention. The song track seems to be the only one of its name, and I don't see any books with the same title. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:40, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:WikiProject/Outline of Knowledge/Drafts/Outline of ancient Egypt
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 14:11, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * WikiProject/Outline of Knowledge/Drafts/Outline of ancient Egypt → Outline of ancient Egypt (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject/Outline_of_Knowledge/Drafts/Outline_of_ancient_Egypt&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Uneeded redirect - originally created at wrong title. Dysklyver 10:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: This redirect is a R from move, but it may technically qualify for Db-subpage. Steel1943  (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – Unused redirect. "What links here" has no links other than some placed in the context of this discussion, like a notice about this discussion which mentions the link. The Transhumanist 07:09, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
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Northwest Asia
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 22%23Northwest Asia

Category:Doctors
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . After the discussion below and some more thinking, I no longer think this category should be deleted. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * [[Category:Doctors]] → Category:Physicians (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Doctors&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is misleading as doctors are not necessarily physicians. A doctor is anyone who holds a doctoral degree, which is a much wider sub-set of people than physicians. -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:37, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note that Category:Physicians was originally at Category:Doctors before being renamed. However, redirects are usually not kept after a CfD rename closure, based on my experience. f eminist 12:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing evidence of a rename at either Category:Doctors nor Category:Physicians. Do you have a link to the CfD? -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Usually such moves are done via WP:CFD/S, usually to match the name of the associated page. But, in the case of this redirect, it looks like [[Category:Doctors]] was proposed to be merged and redirected in 2005; see Categories for deletion/Log/2005 July 2. Steel1943  (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that. Uncontroversial category renames are handled at WP:CFD/S, but they often go to full discussion at WP:CFD. A merge is quite a bit different than a rename, so Feminist's language threw me off. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per 's comment ... unless this nominated page (I thought category redirects were discussed elsewhere) is converted to a new category. Due to how category redirects are created after a move, WP:REDLINK should not apply to them in regards to deleting them. (Overwriting, sure, but not deleting.) Steel1943  (talk) 15:01, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * An ideal category with this name would be populated with everyone who holds a doctoral degree. Do you think that would be useful categorization? -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's what I was essentially thinking, but ... it may need subcategories, probably by the degree's major. However, whether or not I actually support the idea of converting the redirect to a category ... I'm "neutral" ... since Doctor is a disambiguation page. Basically, see Doctor; I wonder if the association of the word "doctor" with the degree over the medical profession is a worldwide view. If not, converting the redirect to a actual category may cause issues. That, and as far as I know, there's no such thing as a disambiguation page in the "Category:" namespace. Steel1943  (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Category disambiguations are rare but there are some out there, see Category:Disambiguation categories. I think the fact that doctor is a disambiguation page is good evidence that the medical usage of the term may not be primary. That's why I feel pretty strongly that the status quo isn't a good set-up. I think if we go the "create a category" route, it could be populated with sub-cats of professions where a doctorate is required (then Category:Physicians would be one of those sub-cats) along with, for example, Category:Celebrity doctors (note that Dr. Phil is in this category and he's not a physician). It wouldn't be as much work as individually categorizing everyone with a doctorate. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Now that I know that disambiguation pages in the "Category:" namespace exist, I think the route here is to convert Category:Doctors into a disambiguation page including/after creating a new (or finding the existing) category for people with doctoral degrees, possible something like Category:People with a doctoral degree. Steel1943  (talk) 16:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
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Donald Dump
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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted.  Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Donald Dump → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Dump&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect from offensive term for article subject. I don't think we should have redirects which are designed to insult the article subject, especially when they are relatively rare epithets. SJK (talk) 00:40, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nominator. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I have tagged the article for speedy deletion.--SamHolt6 (talk) 01:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete blatant WP:G10. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 02:16, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
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