Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 20

October 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 20, 2017.

Wikipedia:LTA/VXFC
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  f eminist 13:09, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * LTA/VXFC → Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Vote (X) for Change (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:LTA/VXFC&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:DENY, along with all the other LTA redirects to case pages. The LTA page exists to actually aid us in documenting Vote X for Change and informs users upon this user, so they can detect her socks better. These redirects though give too much recognition to the persons involved in these cases, with no other benefit than it's a little easier to get to quickly. Sorry folks, you're gonna have to write out the full name. I should note that an RfD of a similar redirect happened in 2009, with consensus to delete --Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2009_July_5. My name is not dave (talk/contribs) 20:19, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I recall you created LTA/Fangusu. I'd notify others, but don't have time to research who else to ping, or tag the other redirects. Steel1943  (talk) 22:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed someone needs to help me with tagging and informing. I've just realised that trying to tag some of these redirects to this discussion has royally screwed up -- it won't link to this discussion because it automatically assumes that the discussion in today (Oct 21). Same with me, I nominated this before bedtime Face-smile.svg My name is not dave (talk/contribs) 07:28, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - clearly useful. Aside from being shortcuts frequently used in discussions (which could be bypassed) they are also used and continue to be used in block logs, which cannot be altered to bypass the redirect. A redlink in a block log like "long term abuse, " is obvious enough, but one like "" is basically useless unless you're already familiar with the case. As for DENY: deleting these redirects makes it somewhat more difficult to deal with the long-term abuse cases while doing pretty much nothing to reduce their visibility and damage on the project. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:41, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ivanvector as useful. I'll also note that two of the delete !votes at the RFD cited in the nomination statement explicitly supported redirects prefixed by "WP:LTA" or "WP:Long term abuse" which is analogous to the case here. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:20, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I wish I could WP:DENY this person to the nether reaches of Tartaros, but recognition is there, be it ever so herostratic, and the shortcut is definitely useful. Favonian (talk) 18:09, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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Salary cap fantasy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:58, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Salary cap fantasy → Fantasy sport (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salary_cap_fantasy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Salary caps are not uncommon in fantasy sports, but they're also not a very notable feature on their own. Indeed, they're not mentioned at the target article. The syntax of this redirect is odd too, as though someone is fantasizing about salary caps or otherwise engaging in a fantasy about the caps themselves rather than the sport. BDD (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
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El-live Productions
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * El-live Productions → Tony Curtis (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El-live_Productions&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This previously deleted SPA article was created with the rationale "redirect to founder"- Tony Curtis, which is obviously not true. Given that there is a draft for this article in the creator's sandbox and the previous COI history of this article, I believe that the true purpose of this redirect is to be used as part of a 'redirect and expand' strategy. jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Non-notable music agency. Mentioned briefly in random news.  but these are for non-notable bands in Middle East and Asia. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:58, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
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City life in Australia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:56, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * City life in Australia → Australia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_life_in_Australia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Resubmitting on behalf of. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * This redirect has no purpose, considering that no other countries have a similar redirect. Goveganplease (talk) 14:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think we could use such articles, about urban life in various countries, but it's not an area we explicitly cover in most cases. (I suspect one could learn a great deal about urban life in a given country by reading given collections of articles.) If Australia had a section at Urban culture, that might be a start, and could be a target for such a redirect. --BDD (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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To bed, I said
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * To bed, I said → Full House (season 4) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=To_bed,_I_said&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 16:29, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable quote, not referred to in news articles. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:38, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
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Akihiro Akaike
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Akihiro Akaike → Spider-Man (2002 video game) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akihiro_Akaike&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a video game designer. While he did indeed work on this game, it is not the only one. For example, he appears to have been lead designer for Spider-Man 2 (video game). A redlink would serve readers better than the current redirect, and it also encourages article creation assuming he's notable enough. Xezbeth (talk) 12:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, but also remove redlink from the Spider-Man 2 game as there's nothing in the article that details his design work for that game. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:05, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
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The Free Encyclopedia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Wikipedia. With a hatnote to List of encyclopedias.   Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  07:21, 27 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The Free Encyclopedia → Encyclopedia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Free_Encyclopedia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"The Free Encyclopedia" refers to a single encyclopedia, so redirecting this to a general article about encyclopedias is not helpful. f eminist 10:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Wikipedia as it's the subtitle for the encyclopedia. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY as there are many free encyclopedias. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Jalen D. Folf as the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. A hatnote to Lists of encyclopedias would help readers who are not looking for Wikipedia with this search. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:17, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Jd22292. Sure, there are plenty of wiki-encyclopedias that are free to use, but Wikipedia is the only one that actually uses this slogan. ToThAc (talk) 15:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Dream Diary (video game)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 31%23Dream Diary (video game)

Lists of ancient doctors
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to List of ancient doctors  (full rationale provided in the discussion below). While I realize the nominator's rationale isn't satiated by the creation of this list, looking at this discussion impartially leads me to believe there won't be consensus to delete this redirect. Therefore, keeping this open any further seems pointless to me. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:11, 22 October 2017


 * Lists of ancient doctors → List of ancient European doctors (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_ancient_doctors&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target page contains only one somewhat WP:PRECISE list. (Note: This redirect is a R with history.) Steel1943  (talk) 06:33, 23 August 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget per above. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Suggesting that Wikipedia has multiple lists of this nature is misleading. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf as closest topic match. Deryck C. 15:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as better to use the search engine Legacypac (talk) 09:57, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per above. Ruslik_ Zero 19:53, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf and Deryck Chan. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:46, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J <i style="color:#137412;">947</i>(c) (m) 23:09, 4 October 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This is a WP:INVOLVED relist to clear the October 4 page. An uninvolved closer is free to assess consensus at any time.
 * Retarget as closest topic match. Redirects aid navigation and need not be grammatically correct. f eminist 03:03, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:52, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * what does "per above" refer to? Retarget to what? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:48, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Ancient physicians. See which following various relistings is currently below this nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
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List of ancient doctors
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was list created  at List of ancient doctors, with the other redirects being retargeted there. After being open for almost two months now and several relists, we've argued between two options, both of which are sub-optimal for various reasons. The obvious solution is to create a list of ancient doctors, and I have done just that. As far as I can tell, this solution should satiate all parties. As always, please contact me if there are any concerns. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:05, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * List of ancient doctors → List of ancient European doctors (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ancient_doctors&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Ancient Medics → List of ancient European doctors (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Ancient_Medics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of ancient medics → List of ancient European doctors (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ancient_medics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target pages does not encompass all "ancient" medics/doctors. Steel1943 (talk) 06:37, 23 August 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Category:Ancient physicians. We don't have a list of all ancient doctors but we do have this category, which includes the present target, which is better than deletion imo. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete since there is not a list of this type. Note that doctor and physician aren't synonymous. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf as closest topic match. Deryck C. 15:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per Tavix, ancient doctors are not exclusive to ancient physicians or to any particular region. Also note we have List of ancient Greek and Roman doctors. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:28, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are also surgeons, who in ancient times were a profession different from physicians. Ruslik_ Zero 19:52, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf and Deryck Chan. The category seems to contain surgeons as well. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:47, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J <i style="color:#137412;">947</i>(c) (m) 23:09, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget noting that Category:Doctors redirects to Category:Physicians, so the distinction between physicians and doctors does not apply. f eminist 03:08, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That simply means that Category:Doctors is misleading. So nominated at Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 15. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:04, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This is a WP:INVOLVED relist to clear the October 4 page. An uninvolved closer is free to assess consensus at any time.
 * I stand by my suggestion to retarget. Any confusion between physicians, surgeons, etc can be handled by hatnotes and/or the category introduction if/when there are relevant categories or lists we can point to. At present it seems they are all present in the one category. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:52, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Just out of curiosity, how are you involved in this discussion? -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Might as well make myself involved and say Retarget to Category:Ancient physicians per Thryduulf above. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
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