Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 17

September 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 17, 2017.

Black and ethnic minority
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom. (non-admin closure) jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 02:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Black and ethnic minority → Demography of the United Kingdom (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_and_ethnic_minority&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Black and Minority Ethnic → Demography of the United Kingdom (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_and_Minority_Ethnic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Black and minority ethnic → Demography of the United Kingdom (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_and_minority_ethnic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. These phrases do not occur at Demography of the United Kingdom or at Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom, although there is a mention at Black people. The expression may have utility outside the UK and I think the redirects are best deleted to let Search do its job Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
 * Keep or retarget as above unless common use outside of the UK is demonstrated (not just hypothesised). —Kusma (t·c) 12:07, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep or retarget. These terms are very commonly used in the UK and we don't help anybody by deleting them - the search results are not predictable and are just as likely to find mentions in other articles as the article where it is explained (and that's when people actually get search results, which are sometimes several clicks away from where they land). Thryduulf (talk) 09:33, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala 10:13, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom. That article talks specifically about ethnicity/race, compared to the current target. f  e  minist  14:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Black people where the phrase is actually mentioned. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:40, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per . Thanks for the ping, I agree with your assessment. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:25, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget, but to Black British. Tavix, that's the main article for the section you proposed, and the phrase is also used there. --BDD (talk) 14:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, I'd like the Black and ethnic minority entry to stay please. The expression is used in the UK - I came to the Black and ethnic minority page because I was trying to clarify an article in the online Guardian which used BME without explanation. Being redirected anywhere else would have, and obviously has, complicated my query. Digging what I'm looking for out of a generic "Black people" article just isn't practical and neither do I think I'd find the discussion I'm seeking. JohnHarris (talk) 21:39, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * John, I don't follow. The redirects currently point to a UK-specific page, and we mostly seem to be discussing other UK-specific pages as retargeting options. Do you really want to delete the redirects? --BDD (talk) 13:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 21:45, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom. The term seems to group Black British and other ethnic minorities as opposed to referring to just Black British, so I don't feel that's the best target. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment from nom. I don't want to badger, but I do want to get this right. Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom does not mention the specific phrase/s (neither does the current target). Black British and Black people don't feel right either: "black" is only a subset of "Black and ethnic minority" and "Black British" is a further subset. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:59, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as improbable search terms; they don't even really make any linguistic sense.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  19:26, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * While they may not make linguistic sense to you, they are very clearly useful search terms as they are very widely used descriptors in the UK for groups of people. The only questions are would they best serve readers as redlinks? and if not what is the best target? Thryduulf (talk) 16:36, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wasn't aware of that; struck. (I didn't see JohnHarris's explanation; it just seemed like a jumbled phrase, like someone looking for "Irish" with a search phrase of "White and from west of Scotland" or something. Didn't realize it was a term of art. I see what the meaning is now.)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  17:18, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom, which is more specific and helpful to the reader.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  17:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Macedonian Navy
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 24%23Macedonian Navy

Spotted lady beetle
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 30%23Spotted lady beetle

Game Boy Advance Network Boot
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 * The result of the discussion was delete all.  While the consensus for this action regarding GBA Network Boot is weaker than for the others, the "weak keep" rationale was not strong enough for me to result in a no consensus closure. Thryduulf (talk) 10:23, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Game Boy Advance Network Boot → Game Boy Advance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Game_Boy_Advance_Network_Boot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Game Boy Advance network boot → Game Boy Advance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Game_Boy_Advance_network_boot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * GBA Network Boot → Game Boy Advance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GBA_Network_Boot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The phrase "network boot" is not present in the target article. These redirects may fail WP:GAMEGUIDE as a specific function of the Game Boy Advance that is not notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. (Note: Game Boy Advance Network Boot and Game Boy Advance network boot are both R with historys.) Steel1943  (talk) 17:20, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete the first two about GameBoy Advance as network boots aren't a term specific to GameBoy Advance. However, GBA Network Boot could have a weak redirect to Generic Bootstrapping Architecture which is abbreviated as GBA and concerns booting in a network environment. However, even that term isn't really prevalent in any searches. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:53, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all The history of the redirects is unreferenced, so there's really nothing to "preserve". Appear to all be superfluous redirects.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:53, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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Bondage yoke
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of BDSM equipment. No opposition after relist. (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  07:38, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Bondage yoke → Yoke (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bondage_yoke&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

We don't actually seem to have coverage of this topic in the encyclopedia. Yoke only describes animal yokes; bondage yokes are for human BDSM play. I propose deletion. -- Beland (talk) 20:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete probably better off created as a stand alone article -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:09, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per bd2412 -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'll note that there is not (yet) any description at the suggested retarget.
 * Retarget to List of BDSM equipment, and add a few words of description there. bd2412  T 19:29, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed with bd2412.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:22, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget per BD2412. Thryduulf (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:04, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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Best Blue
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to The Best "Blue". (non-admin closure) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 11:30, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Best Blue → Weekly Shōnen Jump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Best_Blue&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This claims to be a redirect from alternative name, but it is in fact a short-lived series that was never notable enough for an article. It is mentioned at List of series run in Weekly Shōnen Jump, but that article currently has no incoming redirects. Xezbeth (talk) 18:44, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak redirect to List of series run in Weekly Shōnen Jump. Had some coverage in 2015 and 2016 for having an English adaptation, but was a one-shot at most so it wouldn't be a loss if it were deleted.AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Best "Blue" (an album) as the use of "The" in such titles is unpredictable, frequently ambiguous and/or mis-rememberd. A hatnote can be added to the target suggested by AngusWOOF if there is actually some content there. Thryduulf (talk) 21:42, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There's only the listing, so not much content for Best Blue manga. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:03, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Best "Blue" per Thryduulf. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:39, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with that too. There might be a hatnote for Best of Blue as well. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That seems a sensible suggestion. Thryduulf (talk) 17:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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Quath
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 19:54, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Quath → Ayurveda (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quath&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The connection is unclear due to a lack of mention at the target. If reliable sourcing can be found, perhaps WP:REDLINK deletion would be beneficial. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:53, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak dab There is a character named Quath in Tides of Light and Furious Gulf in the Galactic Center Saga books by Benford,   There's a misspelling of Qarth for Game of Thrones . The sources for Quath or Kwath Ayurveda are almost all random blogs and not so reliable websites.   None of these redirect suggestions are that strong through so I wouldn't mind delete either. Soft redirect to the dictionary could also apply.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:49, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. While I'm a lot more forgiving of WP:DABMENTION than many, there is no information about any of these things at any of the targets and there is no entry at this title in Wiktionary. Thryduulf (talk) 20:22, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:00, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think there is enough information at existing articles to support a DAB page. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:48, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per Thryduulf and NCFF. Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
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London Naval Conference (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . I note that one has already been created, and this also seems to alleviate the nominator's concern. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:00, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="London Naval Conference (disambiguation)">London Naval Conference (disambiguation) → London Naval Conference (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=London_Naval_Conference_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, because the target page is not a disambiguation page. This page was speedy deleted in March 2017 for that very reason, but was undeleted by Patar knight with the comment "Restore per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Treaty_of_London#This_is_not_a_dab_page". This comment appears to me to be irrelevant, since Treaty of London in fact is a disambiguation page, but London Naval Conference is not. R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Create DAB with the three entries in the hatnote at the target page, which would've functionally done almost the same thing with the hatnotes, and move it to the base title. London Naval Conference should be moved to another title since it does not appear to be the primary title and is attracting a lot of mistaken links which could be fixed if the DAB page was at that title. I'ved drafted a DAB page below the redirect with a see also section to other relevant DAB pages. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Disambig per Patar knight. Thryduulf (talk) 17:44, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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Deplorable
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 24%23Deplorable