Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 13

April 13
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 13, 2018.

Sardar Muhammad Jaagan Khan Bhayo
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:28, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Sardar Muhammad Jaagan Khan Bhayo → Wahid Bakhsh Bhayo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sardar_Muhammad_Jaagan_Khan_Bhayo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No reliable souce that "Sardar Muhammad Jaagan Khan Bhayo" is the son of "Wahid Bakhsh Bhayo" Ahecht (TALK PAGE ) 20:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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Club polideportivo
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  without prejudice against making an index or list if anyone desires. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:14, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Club polideportivo → Sports club (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Club_polideportivo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Polideportivo → Sports club (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polideportivo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Polidesportivo → Sports club (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polidesportivo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:FORRED. The target subject is not exclusive to any language. (Note: Polideportivo was redirected as a result of Articles for deletion/Polideportivo, which happened in 2006.) Steel1943  (talk) 18:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment There are quite a few Club Polideportivos in the search results but it's not clear where this might be useful to index where a "look from" (All pages with titles beginning with Club Polideportivo  although All pages with titles beginning with CP is fairly useless)  or an "in title" (All pages with titles containing Polideportivo) might be more helpful  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * For that option, I would say do that to the first redirect, then delete the other two. (I'm not supporting this suggesting as I still think they should all be deleted, but I don't see the other two being search terms for the first since the first uses multiple languages and is more than one word.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * (I made this comment back when the previous comment was to turn the redirects into a set index.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * (sorry about the edit conflict) I was suggesting a set index, but it ended up being just a list of clubs that go by "CP" Doing a  All pages with titles beginning with CP  seems to be useless.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Inspired by the retargeting below, is there any utility in pointing this at Deportivo? It's not quite perfect, and is perhaps excessive, but it seems like it would be somewhat useful.  I don't understand the above conversation in the least. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 11:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * there are a bunch of deportivo clubs, so maybe having the set index of what is labelled a Polideportivo or Club Polideportivo would be better, with Deportivo being a see also, and an In title for any missed ones. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
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Theory and fact
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:52, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Theory and fact → Theory (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Theory_and_fact&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:XY. Fact is a separate subject. Steel1943 (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * In the science education world, there are many articles discussing the distinction between theory and fact, as well as discussing how a scientific concept can be both a fact and a theory - for example, there is the fact of gravity (if I drop the apple, it will fall), and the theory of gravity (general relativity describes it as a distortion in spacetime). Wikipedia even has an article on this concept, at least as it relates to one particular scientific concept, Evolution as fact and theory, although that is obviously not a suitable target for this general title. My attempts to find an article that addresses this in general have failed, but maybe someone else can. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:37, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd actually favor a retarget to Scientific theory. Per, this is indeed covered heavily in the scientific world, most often in terms of evolution, but Scientific theory covers the material nicely throughout, even in the lead/lede.  While it may seem XY-ish, most of the usage of the phrase is in the context of whether something is "just a theory."  I think this works nicely. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 03:19, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Weak keep searches are looking for definitions that compare theory with fact, so although scientific theory would be good for that, perhaps they are looking for non-scientific theories as well. The main theory page does reference fact so it at least has some starting context. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:06, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
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Angest
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 02:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Angest → Angst (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angest&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Though this could potentially be considered a misspelling, I'm not seeing any connection between this word and its target on third party search engines other than results created by Wikipedia mirrors. In addition, most prominent third-party search results for the term "angest" return results for a virtual reality video game of some sort. Steel1943 (talk) 11:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep It's mentioned right there in the article, with its use from Kierkegaard. See also Begrebet Angest.  If the game becomes notable, we can dab and add Henry Angest. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 11:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep as above. The opening paragraph states that "origins include the Danish, Norwegian and Dutch word angst and the German word Angst" and lists Kierkegaard and Freud. With Kierkegaard using "Angest", that makes the most sense. Henry Angest and others can be added to the Angst (surname) page. Video game can be added to the Angst (disambiguation) page. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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Grand Prix du Disque Aword
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 * The result of the discussion was dolete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:20, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Grand Prix du Disque Aword → Grand Prix du Disque (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grand_Prix_du_Disque_Aword&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't see any use for this misspelling. Aword is not a French spelling for Award. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:09, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep it's a redirect from mis-spelling, nothing wrong with that. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 07:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC).


 * It's rather costly as there are no such Awards that are spelled Aword. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete Seems unlikely, even in a French accent, and entirely unused. FWIW, the creating user was indeffed for improper creations; that's neither here nor there, but does add some flavor to the history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amorymeltzer (talk • contribs) 11:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete I don't see a need for every random misspelling to have a redirect. Very implausible. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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Slate blue
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  to delete, defaulting to retarget to X11 color names. I'll note there are 232 other redirects to X11 color names, which may need to be sorted out in future discussion(s). -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Slate blue → Slate gray (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slate_blue&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Slate Blue → X11 color names (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slate_Blue&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Slate Blue (color) → Blue (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slate_Blue_(color)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This variation of blue is neither identified nor mentioned in Blue. I'm also unsure why all of these redirects have different targets, nor can determine if any options are the best; if I had to take a guess on the best target, my guess would be X11 color names since the color is mentioned there. (But honestly, I think "delete all" is more helpful due to the confusion that may cause since it seems to be unclear if the connection to the color is exclusive to the X11 color names subject.) Steel1943  (talk) 14:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It would be better to retarget or disambiguate than to delete. I see no point in deleting any of them, these are terms people use, and therefore might look up. FunkMonk (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not debating that someone will look them up. The issue here is that there seems to not be a specific target for all of these to go. In addition, disambiguation really is not an option between these three targets since the "slate blue" subject in reference to all three topics is the same topic. Steel1943  (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * A lot of the links on X11 color names are redirects to shades of blue and similar. If it's a notable shade then it should be mentioned there, if not then the redirects shouldn't exist. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 09:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keeep clearly Slate Blue (capitalized) will almost always refer to the X11 colour. I have no strong opinion about Slate blue, but the same target seems reasonable.  The other X11 colours that have little or no currency outside X11 should, at least in their capitalized version, redirect the same way.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:49, 7 April 2018 (UTC).

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Basilica of the Santissima Annunziata in Sturla
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  as unopposed. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Basilica of the Santissima Annunziata in Sturla → Santissima Annunziata, Sturla (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Basilica_of_the_Santissima_Annunziata_in_Sturla&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article title is wrong. Santissima Annunziata in Sturla is a simple parish church, it is not a Basilica and never was it in the past. No article links this redirect, that I already proposed for speedy deletion, but my request was denied. Bbruno (talk) 16:05, 5 April 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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2018 allegations of 1984 LDS missionary-trainees' abuse
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . While it's not the best phrasing, consensus is that it's harmless and evidence of usefulness has been provided. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 19:18, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * 2018 allegations of 1984 LDS missionary-trainees' abuse → Mormon abuse cases (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2018_allegations_of_1984_LDS_missionary-trainees%27_abuse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Until it was deleted following discussion at Articles for deletion/2018 allegations of 1984 LDS missionary-trainees' abuse, this page contained content which is now largely at the target of the redirect. However as, the closing admin of that AfD, said, this is an implausible search term. Nothing links to it either, other than discussions about the deletion, so it is a useless redirect. Dorsetonian (talk) 07:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete an awful title and a useless redirect. Legacypac (talk) 07:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Perfectly pertinent & useful, so: Keep... or else move or re-direct this redirect, yet again, to Denson v. Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or whatever the case's appropriate shorthand)... per the guideline for redirect categorization (wp:RCAT) because (1) Its target, a wp:Summarystyle parent article, is not the proper place, per the guidelines, for such categorizations as Category:20th-century Mormon missionaries, Category:Lawsuits, etc. (Cf.: the RCATted redirects Bill O'Reilly sexual harassment lawsuit, Matt Lauer sexual misconduct allegations, Barney Frank scandal, etc.). (2) Wp:NEO basically says, w rgd notable topics w tons of sourcing yet no media shorthand title appropriate for use on Wikipedia, "...U]se a title that is a descriptive phrase in plain English." So, from:
 * 1) claim that a former president of the Missionary Training Center in Provo sexually assaulted her while she was a missionary there in 1984
 * 2) allegations by at least one former missionary against Joseph L. Bishop, the president of the Provo Missionary Training Center in the mid-1980s
 * 3) LDS Church responds to 1984 sexual assault allegation after audio leaked
 * 4) Woman accusing former MTC president of attempted rape in 1984 says she now appreciates MormonLeaks’ release of her explosive recording
 * 5) Woman sues Mormon church alleging rape by leader in 1980s etc., etc., etc.---a Wikicontributor fashions some reasonable resemblance into a straightforward title (say, akin to the one @ Mormon sex in chains case) without Wikipedia itself, as a tertiary enterprise, trying to craft some pithy shorthand (a la, "Secret room in the MTC basement allegations".--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 11:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikpedia is nor a reilable source, by its own definition. The question is, is it useful 9or harmless; or harmful. Can't see that it's harmful. Keep. You can add your referencxes to the article itself. 84.236.96.172 (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope, that's not the question. See Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, specifically WP:NOHARM Dorsetonian (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOHARM: Whether something is harmful or harmless are also valid arguments for and against deletion of redirects at Redirects for discussion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. I have struck my comment. Dorsetonian (talk) 18:19, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep- I'm not buying the arguments for deleting it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:24, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete- the odds of anyone thinking of that title, let alone typing it into the search bar, seem slim. Just because it accurately describes the topic doesn't mean it is a suitable redirect. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  02:23, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * cmt - See wp:IMPERFECT. IMHO if a Wikicontributor can think up a redirect title more likely to be searched for than, for example say, the currently existing redirect Criticism of government response to Hurricane Maria (or the title for a currently existing article, for that matter: say, say that of Mormon sex in chains case), one should either open a discussion to suggest such a move or else one should just wp:Boldly go ahead and move the redirect or article to the one thought of, instead of campaigning to delete it, along with its RCATS (categorizing redirects), in the case of the redirect.  W rgd purely to usefulness of this redirect, see wp:RFD #5: " If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways." (It's useful for its RCATs.) #3 "They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the 'Keystone State' mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article." (It helps people looking for coverage of Mormon missionaries having been abused in 1984.) #7 "The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article." (I.e., the litigation--which has already lead to the LDS Church making changes to its standard operating procedures and may come to do more so, and the like--might spawn developments and their coverage to the extent that its target section outgrows its being placed merely in the "Mormon abuse cases" omnibus article.)--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 09:03, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep. I found Mormon abuse cases by clicking on a link to 2018 allegations of 1984 LDS missionary-trainees' abuse from a talk page. If that redirect had been deleted, I wouldn't have known that the material had been merged to Mormon abuse cases. Redirects created due to content merges should normally be kept. Searches from the search bar is not the only reason for a redirect. 50.83.102.21 (talk) 22:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
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Jamie Allman
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 00:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Jamie Allman → Jamie Anne Allman (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Allman&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Jamie Allman can also refer to the radio host has lost his television and radio shows on KDNL and KFTK-FM, respectively.  John123521  ( Talk - Contib. ) 08:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Jamie Allman (radio host) can be created as a redirect to KDNL where it describes his situation. A hatnote can be created on Jamie Anne Allman's page. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:34, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably not the best disambiguation since he also had a television show (KDNL is a television station). Perhaps simply (host) or (personality) would be better. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:39, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * (host) would be okay. I have yet to see the notability extend beyond that redirect though. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:26, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep with a hatnote to the relevant section of KDNL. Redirects should prioritize people who have long-term notability over people who were briefly in the news. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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