Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 17

April 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 17, 2018.

Mexican Federal Highway S30D
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 01:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Mexican Federal Highway S30D → Mexican Federal Highway 40D (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mexican_Federal_Highway_S30D&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"S30D" is not the official designation. See my comment at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Carretera federal S30.svg. Raymie (t • c) 23:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "S30D" But it is an Autopista its clearly should have a "D" Below the route marker if it has tolls it's an Autopista 67.203.107.72 (talk) 00:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: The above IP is now banned as a sock of a regular sockpuppet who created the page. Raymie (t • c) 19:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment The redirect makes sense to me, even if it's not the "official" designation. It is my understanding that Mexican Federal Highways that are tolled (autopistas) are suffixed with "D", and the official designation for the highway is "S30". Logically, that should make the highway "S30D", even if that didn't happen for whatever reason. It might be wise to mark it R from incorrect name. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:34, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
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File:University of ulster coat of arms.svg
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  The SandDoctor  Talk 15:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


 * [[File:University of ulster coat of arms.svg]] → File:Ulster University coat of arms.svg (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:University_of_ulster_coat_of_arms.svg&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused redirect. Since this is a non-free image, it is not going to be widely used, and there is no need for a redirect. Ahecht (TALK PAGE ) 20:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's an R from move that does not duplicate the name of a file on Wikimedia Commons. Besides such redirects traditionally being kept, this move happened three years ago, and it's not misleading or causing misleading search results. Steel1943  (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
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Tales of the Northern Swords (A Tribute to Heavy Load)
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 * The result of the discussion was restored  . I have started a discussion at AfD: Articles for deletion/Tales of the Northern Swords (A Tribute to Heavy Load) -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Tales of the Northern Swords (A Tribute to Heavy Load) → Heavy Load (band) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Northern_Swords_(A_Tribute_to_Heavy_Load)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear why this non-notable tribute album should redirect to the band. Home Lander (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I think what ought to happen here is that the last edit which replaced the page content with a redirect, should be reverted, and the page then sent to AfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:23, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Comment can someone dig up some album reviews? I can't tell if this was an officially produced album, a bootleg or someone's playlist. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:09, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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Еть
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Еть → Yat (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%95%D1%82%D1%8C&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

According to my research "Еть" translates from Russian to either "to eat" or (forgive my French) "fuck". I highly doubt that either would be a useful redirect to a letter of the Cyrillic alphabet. Еть is also not present within the article. The SandDoctor Talk 21:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC); edited 18:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Should note that it was also created by a blocked user. -- The SandDoctor Talk 21:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC) Struck per the below. Thanks -- The SandDoctor  Talk 02:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The creator of this redirect is not currently blocked. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:47, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep To be clear, I was only blocked for a day. Since then, I have learned from my mistakes in redirects and their purpose. I miğt also add that the suffix -еть is also used for intransitive infinitive forms of Russian verbs. This redirect should be kept because, citing the article itself, it is a legitimate transliteration of «ѣть» into modern Russian orthography. This character has also been used in other non-Russian Cyrillic orthographies and is often transliterated in a similar fashion. These, along with the fact that a redirect of the same name to the same target exists on the Russian Wikipedia with no problems as-of-yet, are reason enouğ that it should be kept. -User:Учхљёная (talk,philosophy,edits). 02:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - "Еть" is not mentioned in the Yat article, Also English Wikipedia = English words. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete. I agree with Davey here that we shouldn't keep this redirect because the target page doesn't contain any useful information on this letter sequence for the reader. Also the corresponding Russian redirect was created by the same editor less than a month ago so I doubt its relevance to this debate. Deryck C. 15:59, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
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Geohistory
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Consulta
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  as unopposed, but feel free to recreate if an appropriate target emerges. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Consulta → Roman Curia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Consulta&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target, so the reader who searches for the term is left none the wiser as to its meaning. It doesn't seem to have been mentioned in the article at the time the redirect was created either. Collins and the Free Dictionary define "consulta" as "an official meeting or consultation," without any specifically religious or specifically Catholic significance. Wiktionary lists various related non-English meanings. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 19:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Augusto Fantozzi says the Consulta is an advisory body for the Vatican (citing a source which I don't have). Cardinal-nephew implies that the Consulta is a Congregation of the Roman Curia. Consulta may also be a synonym for the Constitutional Court of Italy. Certes (talk) 20:42, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

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Template:Tooltip
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OTWC
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . Deryck C. 16:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * OTWC → Our Time Will Come (album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OTWC&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Far too vague and ambiguous of a search term to be useful for this one particular album, especially in light of the fact there is also a film with this name too now. —Torchiest talkedits 05:49, 17 April 2018 (UTC) --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:24, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SURPRISE. Let Wikipedia's search function handle this one. Steel1943  (talk) 13:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to OldTown White Coffee per AngusWOOF's findings. Out of the three subjects mentioned thus far, this seems to be the only one that both 1) its subject has an article or is mentioned in one (Oceanic Time Warner Cable) and 2) is not WP:NEO (Our Time Will Come). Steel1943  (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ...Or disambiguate per Certes comment regarding retargeting Oceanic Time Warner Cable to Time Warner Cable, but the entry for Our Time Will Come should be removed from the disambiguation page at it is unjustified WP:NEO. Steel1943  (talk) 22:10, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 *  Keep, disambiguate or create "OTWC" article -
 * 1) "Unless a WikiProject [or anyone else, for that matter] has actually expressed interest in usurping [these redirects], I don't see [them] doing any harm."  To date, no other use for OTWC has been suggested at all.  Per WP:R, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do".
 * 2) "Alleged confusion is not very plausible at all.  So absent evidence of any harm there is no reason to delete."
 * 3) "There seems to be no evidence of confusion, just conjecture on the part of nominator, and no argument grounded in WP:R.  Laziness is the exact purpose of redirects, to be perfectly honest, and the creator of a useful redirect that saves one or two characters should be commended.  We don't delete redirects based merely on conjecture.  Someone obviously found these useful given they were created."
 * 4) "One of the lowest things one can do is steal another mans tools.  So you have no use for it.  That it's being used is good enough, and there is zero reason to take away something that has no higher use.  Such Nominators should be required to be the one to hand edit and remove any deleted tags."
 * ...Yet another copy/paste of this WP:TLDR statement. If a valid disambiguation page cannot be drafted, then the redirect in its current form is useless. This acronym is not used in any references to refer to its target, so it's misleading in its current form anyways. That, and since I did read this, the 4th statement in it is improper for an encyclopedia and the article namespace anyways since in the article namespace, there needs to be some sort of established utility for the redirect and its target, and in this case, there is none; this redirect in its current state is WP:NEO at best. Since there is no establish user of this as an acronym in reference to its target, this redirect existing blocks Wikipedia's search function from assisting readers in finding more relevant results. Steel1943  (talk) 13:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, the only othee place where "OTWC" appears in Wikipedia is 2013–14 New Orleans Privateers men's basketball team. Per the aforementioned article, seems that "OTWC" may be an acronym for a time zone; if such an article or subject exists on Wikipedia, this redirect should be retargeted there. Steel1943  (talk) 13:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * In that context, OTWC stands for Oceanic Time Warner Cable (a Time Warner service in Hawaii etc.) Certes (talk) 13:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for clarifying that. (To the closer: For the record though, Oceanic Time Warner Cable is a redirect towards Spectrum (cable service), so retargeting the nominated redirect there, IMO, would not be helpful.) Steel1943  (talk) 14:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 *  Comment - One can put at Our Time Will Come, and that should solve the problem. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:25, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, that doesn't solve the issue with the "OTWC" acronym in my statement above in the least. In fact, per my comment regarding where Oceanic Time Warner Cable redirects, this suggestion actually makes the confusion/issue worse. Steel1943  (talk) 17:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The album is not primary topic. Neither is the film. I don't even see cases where they should get dabs. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:56, 18 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Dabify It's also an acronym for OldTown White Coffee But yes OTWC is used for Oceanic Time Warner Cable  I don't see any general search results for the acronym as applied to an album, but it could have an entry for Our Time Will Come in the See Also section for now. I don't see the album as primary topic. The cable company would be the most likely primary topic but redoing it to the dab would be fine.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree with dabify. OTWC may stand for multiple things but Our Time Will Come is not one of them and the phrase should not be included on the dab page unless a source can back up such usage. The copy-and-paste response is getting tiresome in that it never even addresses the issue and the defense itself doesn't hold water. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment — OTWC now seems to have both a redirect and a dab. I have tidied the dab portion, though think we're jumping the gun slightly by creating it during the RfD. I also plan to retarget  to Time Warner Cable unless anyone objects, as that page actually mentions Oceanic. Certes (talk) 21:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's relatively common at RfD to draft a disambiguation page under the redirect when a dab is proposed. That way, it's easy to see what the disambiguation would look like, it can be tweaked during the discussion (like what you just did), and it makes closing the discussion easier (all I would need to do is remove the redirect and tag). -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
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Genau (The German in You)
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New York Baseball team
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Sports in New York (state). -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


 * New York Baseball team → New York Yankees (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_York_Baseball_team&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * New York baseball team → New York Yankees (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_York_baseball_team&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Yankees are not New York's only baseball team. There are also the New York Mets in the MLB, plus a multitude of minor league teams §pur§y§ituation§ (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC).

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 * Delete as hopelessly vague. There are too many potential targets to disambiguate. - Eureka Lott 14:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sports in New York (state), which lists all the teams on Sports in New York City. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 20:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per . Per the current status of Sports in New York (state), it does not seem like a helpful target for this redirect as there is not a specific section dedicated to baseball teams. Steel1943  (talk) 12:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Power~enwiki; the table at Sports in New York (state) is sorted by sport, so it's easy to locate the baseball entries. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per Power~enwiki. It's a plausible search term, and that's the target that will best get readers the information they want. Smartyllama (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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