Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 3

April 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 3, 2018.

The New York Times.
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The New York Times. → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_New_York_Times.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely typo Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per the notice and link added to the redirect when it was created. Until 1967, the New York Times nameplate had a period and was apparently a big deal when it was removed: What has God re-wrought?" asks a letter to the editor. "No period in the New York Times masthead? No tittle to your title? The weather unboxed? 'All the News' restyled?". -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, apparently that's true. Not a big deal except in the typography world, but I'll concede this now a likely search time. Withdrawn. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:32, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
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Douglas Martin (reporter)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 02:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Douglas Martin (reporter) → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Douglas_Martin_(reporter)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned anywhere in the page. We don't create redirects to the NYT for every NYT reporters out there, and we shouldn't. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:59, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Also because there's multiple journalists by this name and the other, older one is more likely to be notable . 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:30, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as an obituary writer for the New York Times he appears in over 200 references here in Wikipedia that have not been bracketed to form links. Clicking on a few obituary links that have the "author=" empty, he is the author. A better target would be List of The New York Times employees, and add him there, if not there already. Someone is already writing an article on him in their sandbox. --RAN (talk) 00:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. WP:REDLINK may be wise if he's notable. Note to closer: if deleted, Douglas Martin (journalist) should also be deleted as WP:G8. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * He is in list List of The New York Times employees along with dozens of other without articles. --RAN (talk) 13:59, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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2017 San Bruno, California shooting
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  as WP:G7 by . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * 2017 San Bruno, California shooting → 2018 San Bruno, California shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2017_San_Bruno,_California_shooting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Sorry, "2017" was a typo and the article has already been moved to "2018 San Bruno, California shooting". No need to keep this redirect, so please delete. Thanks. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:58, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
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The New York Times'
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 02:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The New York Times' → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_New_York_Times%27&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 3, pretty much. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Discussion linked in the rationale above has now been relisted, so is located at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_April_12. -- The SandDoctor Talk 18:13, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per nom. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep seems useful and pages link to it. -- The SandDoctor Talk 19:07, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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Hell's Bible
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Burns and Scalds
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Bone changes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 20:13, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Bone changes → Bone (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bone_changes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear what the word "changes" defines. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:11, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
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Head circumference
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New York TImes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 20:14, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * New York TImes → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_York_TImes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely typo Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, not helpful. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: How can it be "unlikely" when it appears on 22 articles? Obviously, this is a plausible redirect.  This redirect is back from the days before we tagged different kinds of redirects; I just added R from misspelling a moment ago. --Closeapple (talk) 17:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. This misspelling is not helpful, and per several searches through third party engines, not used outside of Wikipedia. In fact, NYTI doesn't exist, meaning that the use of such a combination of capital letters has no notable connection with the New York Times (and, if it was created, I'd nominate it for deletion per my comment about third-party search engines.) In fact, most of the incoming links were used in references or piped links, and thus seemed like clear accidents on Wikipedia; thus, I have been bypassing these links as pure cleanup as these in no way show usefulness as a redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 18:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Closeapple. I'm surprised that it has been used in 22 articles, but there you have it, it's an obviously plausible typo. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, Should we also create The SUn, The BEatles or The GUardian ? .... Obvious answer is no, Keeping this could also give someone a great idea of creating "New York TiMes", "New York TimEs", "New York TimeS" .... Point is as per Steel it's not helpful in any way, shape or form. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This redirect has existed for almost ten years, and so far it has given nobody any ideas to create the redirects you mention. I don't think the answer is as obvious of a "no" as you say it should be. What harm would come from creating those redirects? It's not like "The BEatles" signifies a separate topic than "The Beatles". Besides, there's objective evidence that the nominated redirect has been linked to (WP:R) so there is really no reason to do anything with it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:41, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I was unaware of that but still I believe it's a useless redirect, I agree the random caps don't signify separate topic however the point I was trying to make is that we don't need random capitalised redirects. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - it's linked from zero articles, not 22, plus a very small number of talk page typos (one, I think). The typo (note the I in TImes is capitalized) is not plausible. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That's because the links have since been fixed. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ...What Tavix said, and I'm the culprit; see my comment above. Steel1943  (talk) 20:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - per Ivanvector. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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New York itmes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * New York itmes → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_York_itmes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely typo Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete: Not in current use, and swapping the "Ti" while simultaneously missing the shift key seems like a rare combination to me, though someone must have thought of it at some point back in 2005. It didn't have a redirect tag template: I added R from misspelling just now. --Closeapple (talk) 17:53, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unlikely misspelling. That, and why is this transposing of letters more important than the other possibilities? Steel1943  (talk) 18:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unless the creator hit 2 letters at the same time then I fail to see how or why this would need to be created ? ..... – Davey 2010 Talk 19:15, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete how does New York get properly capitalized but Times does not get an auto-correct treatment and then becomes a typo? Implausible. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - We can't be responsible for every fumble-fingered typo. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete most likely an implausible typo. Can't be resposible for every possible misspelling of every article title/existing redirect, or Wikipedia would probably be substantially larger than it is at current with most of the "mass" being redirects. -- The SandDoctor Talk 19:14, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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Treason Times
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Treason Times → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Treason_Times&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:NPOV / WP:ATTACK redirect. Only Ann Coulter called it that, /, and only because she's a huge troll. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Only 2 sources appear to report on this name, So as such it's an unlikely search term "Traeson Times" also isn't in the article. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOTNEO unless it has regular usage on Coulter's show to be mentioned like The Rush Limbaugh Show  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete non-neutral redirects are fine per WP:RNEUTRAL, but it's not discussed in the target nor The New York Times controversies (and shouldn't be, per WP:WEIGHT). Could be retargetted to Ann Coulter if someone added content about it there. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 04:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Nor can we be responsible for the invective of people like Coulter. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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Newyorktimes
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:15, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Newyorktimes → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Newyorktimes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely typo, the properly spaced version would appear in search anyway. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as harmless and per the previous discussion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: In use (possibly inappropriately) at Jennifer Armentrout; likely uses are actually with a lower-case "n". Typos aren't the only kind of dumb-but-plausible names that attract redirects.  Nothing different from when this page was kept by Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 28 a year and a half ago. --Closeapple (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. As opposed to other similar redirects nominated this day, this one is helpful. Steel1943  (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Some sites do go by whole words so as per above this is a plausible search term. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:19, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I was not aware of the previous nomination, I withdraw this then. I think a search resulting from a copy-paste from an address bar could be likely. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
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New YorkTimes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 20:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * New YorkTimes → The New York Times (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_YorkTimes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely typo, the non-typo version would be picked up in search anyway. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete unlikely search term. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, a plausible misspelling and therefore a useful redirect as evidenced from the incoming links (two at the time of this writing). I'll add it to R from misspelling so the bots know to fix it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * New York Times" does the job just, We shouldn't keep crap for the sake of keeping crap, Not all trivial typos such as this need creating. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No, "New York Times" does not do the job when "New YorkTimes" is a different string. Plausible typo redirects are useful for helping people find what they are looking for, and we shouldn't deny that because someone thinks it's "crap" (WP:R). REDIRECTSARECHEAP. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:COSTLY. Whenever someone links to New YorkTimes, it's best to have a redlink to flag the typo. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If it had been added to R from misspelling, the links could have already been fixed by now. Until the links get fixed, anybody using it gets exactly where they need to be without any issue. That does not happen when there is a WP:REDLINK—which signify that an article should be written at that title, which we do not want. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:06, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. A space between one set of words but not the other set is unlikely. Also, NewYork Times doesn't exist (and shouldn't per my comment.) Steel1943  (talk) 19:29, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per 's reasoning. Newspaper has never combined NewYork or YorkTimes together while leaving the rest with a space like that.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Again, we can't cover every typo. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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New York Times'
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Draft:MBTA AnsaldoBreda Type 8
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . There was a whole RfC about this. , if you read WP:CSD, you'll see that it applies only to redirects FROM the mainspace to (some) other namespaces ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 01:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Draft:MBTA AnsaldoBreda Type 8 → MBTA AnsaldoBreda Type 8 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:MBTA_AnsaldoBreda_Type_8&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unneeded redirect as the draft is now an article 146.95.78.97 (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RDRAFT, considering that the nomimator is not the creator of the target page. (So thus, this redirect is not eligible for WP:G7.) Steel1943  (talk) 18:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, draft space is for drafts. There is no longer a draft at this title, so there's no need to maintain the title. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Helpful to the creator (if they return and see their draft no longer exists) - REDIRECTSARECHEAP. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I thought cross-namespace redirects were disallowed, per R2? Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:59, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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Most of this firm's 70,000 seasonal white-collar employees work only 4 months a year
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ken Jennings. <b style="font-family:Papyrus"> Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk ) </b> 09:28, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="Most of this firm's 70,000 seasonal white-collar employees work only 4 months a year">Most of this firm's 70,000 seasonal white-collar employees work only 4 months a year → H&R Block (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Most_of_this_firm%27s_70,000_seasonal_white-collar_employees_work_only_4_months_a_year&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Too long to be useful, looks like a Jeopardy! question. Possibly slander towards subject of the article. Pokajanje &#124; Talk 05:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment It is a Jeopardy! clue, and perhaps one of the most famous ones as it ended Ken Jennings' 74 game winning streak. It's discussed at Ken Jennings. I'd support a retarget there. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:32, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Ken Jennings as the context of the quote. The major news articles mention this "answer". AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Ken Jennings per Tavix and AngusWOOF: It looks like a Jeopardy! question, because it is indeed a Jeopardy! question, which also means it's almost certainly true, and truth is an absolute defense to slander, at least in the United States. --Closeapple (talk) 18:19, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. Saying that seasonal employees work only for a portion of the year is a tautology, not "slander". 59.149.124.29 (talk) 07:24, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
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