Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 31

August 31
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 31, 2018.

The Little Girl and the Wolf
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 * The result of the discussion was keep, withdrawn by nominator, will redirect to author  . (non-admin closure)  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The Little Girl and the Wolf → Little Red Riding Hood (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Little_Girl_and_the_Wolf&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This isn't for stuff that is made up by random translation attempts by the editor when there are already a common English names for the story. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:32, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
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Dr. Soh
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Soh (surname). Thryduulf (talk) 07:45, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Dr. Soh → Debra W. Soh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dr._Soh&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Multiple people who go by So or Soh, including some academics. No indication that Debra Soh is primary topic for the moniker like Dr. Phil or Dr. Ruth AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:29, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep (for now)  Totally agree that there is no reason to prefer this particular Dr. Soh over any other notable Dr. Soh, and if there are any such Dr. Sohs, this should definitely be a disambiguation page. (I think I left a memo to that effect when I created the page, but that's neither here nor there). However, I did do a search before making this and was unable to find any other notable Dr. Soh's listed on Wikipedia. So I just put this up since I figured it was better than an error page. This redirect should be a disambiguation page, and it will become one as soon as I find an additional notable Dr. Soh or when a currently non-notable person with the surname Soh gets a doctorate and does something worth talking about. :)  (tl;dnr: Keep until there are enough Dr. Soh's for a disambiguation page)  &mdash;Manicjedi (talk) (contribs) (templates) 00:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Soh (surname) or disambiguate separately like the others in Category:Title and name disambiguation pages. There's one actual medical doctor (Soh Jaipil), and one other PhD besides Debra W. Soh (Chunghee Sarah Soh). Judging from Google Books results, none of those people is the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT for "Dr. Soh" by usage. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:12, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Soh (surname). I don't see the need for a separate disambiguation page given that none of the Dr. Sohs seem to be known primarily by that name, unlike articles listed at, for example, Doctor Smith or Doctor Weil. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 22:08, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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See Something, Say Something Act of 2011
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 07:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * See Something, Say Something Act of 2011 → Homeland Security Act (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=See_Something,_Say_Something_Act_of_2011&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:REDLINK. No mention of this at the target article. The only mentions I could find in the encyclopedia are at Judy Chu and Zuhdi Jasser, though those only mention their stances on the act and would not make appropriate targets for the redirect. BDD (talk) 17:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not mentioned in the target, nor has it ever been as far I can see, nor should it be. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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Blue Pig, Telford
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Blue Pig, Telford → Pub_names (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blue_Pig,_Telford&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. There is no mention of Blue Pig, Telford at the target or anywhere else. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete: Orphaned, and page views only reported for August 31. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me &#124; Contributions). This message was left at 07:32, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 21:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete while there are mentions of Blue boars, the Telford town is no longer mentioned in the article, so it's been dropped to a non-notable business. Redirecting it to pub names is not helpful. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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Horse and Jockey Inn
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 07:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Horse and Jockey Inn → Pub names (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Horse_and_Jockey_Inn&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. There are many inns called "Horse and Jockey", and many mentions in enwiki, but the target article does not mention the name and is therefore not a helpful redirect. Better to delete so as not to impede search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:21, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The current target is unhelpful, and none of the other articles that mention pubs with the same name seem like they should take priority over any others, or contain discussion that's substantial enough for a disambiguation page to be useful. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as blocks the Horse and Jockey town. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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MTR Crossrail
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to MTR Corporation. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 05:45, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * MTR Crossrail → TfL Rail (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MTR_Crossrail&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

MTR Crossrail run both TfL Rail and Crossrail. So should redirect to Crossrail as that's the bigger of the 2 projects, and so where people will be looking for information about them Joseph2302 (talk) 12:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak support, although maybe it could be a disambiguation page to each article Buttons0603 (talk) 15:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to MTR Corporation or MTR Corporation (second choice: weak keep). The nomination isn't quite correct, but the confusion is understandable given the complex structure and plethora of overlapping names. Apologies if the following comes across as patronising, it's not intended to, but I can't think of any way to explain it more clearly.
 * Crossrail is an engineering project (parts of which are completed and parts of which are still under construction) and the name of the railway being constructed.
 * Crossrail Ltd is an engineering/project management company, originally jointly owned by TfL and the Department for Transport, but now wholly owned by TfL, that manages the construction projects and let contracts to various third parties to construct/fit out/etc different parts of the Crossrail project.
 * TfL Rail is a brand owned by Transport for London (TfL).
 * MTR Crossrail is a train operating company (TOC) wholly owned by MTR Corporation that operates
 * TfL awarded the concession to run trains on Crossrail infrastructure (and on associated Network Rail and Heathrow Airport Holdings infrastructure) to MTR Crossrail.
 * MTR Crossrail currently operate trains using the TfL Rail brand under the terms of the concession agreement lasting 8 years from May 2015 (with an optional 2 year extension).
 * When the "core" section of Crossrail opens (recently delayed to Autumn 2019), the TfL Rail brand will be replaced by the Elizabeth line brand (this brand was originally planned to be called "Crossrail" but Boris Johnson changed that at very short notice; at this time it is unknown what the common name will be). Trains will still be operated by MTR Crossrail at that point.
 * In either 2023 or 2025 the current franchise will end and train services will be operated under a new franchise agreement, which might or might not be awarded to MTR Crossrail (it will be several years before we know).
 * If someone is searching for "MTR Crossrail" they are looking for information about the train operating company, not the engineering project or the infrastructure the project is building (they would search for "Crossrail" for that), nor are they looking for the future service (they would search for "Crossrail" or "Elizabeth line" for that). We don't have much information about the TOC independent of the service they operate or their parent company at present, although London Overground Rail Operations Limited shows there is possibly scope. The MTR Corporation article is the one that contains what someone using this search term is most likely looking for. I'll leave a message at WT:UKRAIL about this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 21:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to MTR Corporation per . And yes, TfL Rail and Crossrail aren't really separate projects, my understanding is that the former is just a temporary name for the latter, which will actually be known as the Liz line when it opens. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:38, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per . The nomination is clearly wrong, MTR Crossrail certainly do not run Crossrail, they operate trains on behalf of TfL Rail. We have similar articles for Arriva Rail London who operate London Overground on behalf of TfL. That said, what would be better is an artual article about MTR Crossrail. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:57, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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Monkey fucker
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 10%23Monkey fucker

Verinder Koul
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 10%23Verinder Koul

Going to bed
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Numerically the opinions are evenly split between retargetting and deletion, but I find the latter to be stronger, especially AngusWOOF's comments. Thryduulf (talk) 14:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Going to bed → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Going_to_bed&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nominating this separately from all the other redirects to sexual slang because it has an obvious non-euphemistic meaning, but I'm not sure what would be a good target. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Sleeping or Bed I guess would be the logical targets. Joseph2302</b> (talk) 12:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sleeping per WP:COMMONNAME-- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't see why anyone would search for "going to bed" if they wanted to know about sleep, it's more useful as a euphemism, but it's not clear enough IMO to warrant its own redirect. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sleeping or Bed per Joseph2302. For those who do not have an active sex life (probably most of us), this is the primary meaning. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 07:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as common MOS:OVERLINK non-sexual phrase. Has not been used as a link. There isn't a sleep with redirect, and that one is far more common as a euphemism for sex. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 13:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
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Arizona sandbox
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget some, delete most (see rationale)  . Solid agreement that most of these don't need to be kept.  Consensus is to soft retarget the ones with wiktionary pages, and to toss the rest that don't have anywhere else to go.  That is, what  and u|Arms & Hearts said:


 * Dirty back road to Wild Planet
 * Scrogging to Cannabis cultivation
 * Boxing the clown to Boxing the Clown
 * Boyjuice, Manjuice, Hot beef injection, Hide the salami, Pum Pum, Pum pum, and Slam piece to wiktionary.
 * ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 01:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Arizona sandbox → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arizona_sandbox&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * I'd hit it → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I%27d_hit_it&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * I'd Hit That → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I%27d_Hit_That&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Wet Bow-tie → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wet_Bow-tie&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Buttsack → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buttsack&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Wookie Bush → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wookie_Bush&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Boyjuice → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boyjuice&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Manjuice → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manjuice&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Get brain → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Get_brain&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Hot beef injection → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hot_beef_injection&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Hide the salami → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hide_the_salami&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bumping fuzz → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bumping_fuzz&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dirty back road → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dirty_back_road&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bummed in the gob → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bummed_in_the_gob&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Ball sacking → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ball_sacking&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Pum Pum → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pum_Pum&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Pum pum → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pum_pum&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Scrogging → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scrogging&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Slam piece → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slam_piece&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Boxing the clown → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boxing_the_clown&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

None of these terms appear at the target or elsewhere in Wikipedia. Not sure whether we should make them into R to article without mentions to the relevant targets, Wiktionary redirect them (though note that well over half do not have a relevant Wiktionary entry), or delete them outright. See collapse box for full details of potential retargeting options; I have no proposed target either on Wikipedia or Wiktionary for the first five redirects. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget the ones mentioned at Wiktionary to their appropriate articles there, and Delete the rest. No value in the redirects to an article with no mention of them, and some of them seem very specific/uncommonly known. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 12:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect the seven with clear-cut Wikitionary entries (not the other five that aren't directly defined on Wiktionary) to those entries. Retarget Dirty back road to Wild Planet (an album featuring a song of that name). Retarget Scrogging to Cannabis cultivation, as the vast majority of Google results refer to that meaning. Retarget Boxing the clown to Boxing the Clown, for obvious reasons. Delete the rest. "I'd Hit That" is a podcast about drumming that's mentioned or cited in several articles, but we don't seem to have an article on its founder or host or anything like that to retarget it to. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete those where the only use is as sexual slang - Wikipedia is not Urban Dictionary. Any which have an appropriate use otherwise can be retargeted. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:00, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Interwiki redirect and retarget per . Owen&times; &#9742;  15:14, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I've actually just reverted the redirect on Bummed in the gob since it isn't just sexual slang but rather in a purposefully ambiguous phrase. Now, it is a separate issue whether there is a lack of external references or internal links, but I'd rather it was debated for those proper reasons instead of being caught up in a redirect deletion. Tim (Xevious) (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
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List of sexual slang
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Category:Sexual slang. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 01:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


 * List of sexual slang → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_sexual_slang&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * List of sexual slang terms → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_sexual_slang_terms&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Glossary of sexual terms and slang → Sexual slang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glossary_of_sexual_terms_and_slang&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target has not contained a list or glossary for more than 10 years. was briefly an article in 2005 but was redirected to sexual slang; it is permanently under full protection so I have made an edit request for it to be tagged. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to Category:Sexual slang. Neither the current target nor any other article contains such a list or glossary (there is no all-purpose list of slang, Slang dictionary is about slang dictionaries rather than being one, etc.), but the category more or less serves the same purpose. The unusually long history of these (the newest was created in 2006) means there's an increased risk of breaking incoming external links by deleting them. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 20:32, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget all per Arms & Hearts. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
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Sakai-shi
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Sakai. Thryduulf (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Sakai-shi → Sakai clan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sakai-shi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

May also refer to Sakai (Sakai-shi). feminist (talk) 05:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Sakai per nom as Sakai city is primary topic. The one link Ōtori taisha that uses Sakai-shi refers to this city. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget - I agree that this should go to 'Sakai'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:58, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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