Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 8

August 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 8, 2018.

Ariri Charles
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Ariri Charles → Marcin Bułka (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ariri_Charles&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete - There is no obvious reason why this title redirects to Marcin Bułka. Ariri Charles appears to be a non-notable subject, even less so than Marcin Bułka, whose article is currently PRODded. – PeeJay 22:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Delete This only exists because I moved the from Ariri Charles to Marcin Bułka, as the creator appeared to have created the page under the wrong name, as the article was about Marcin Bułka.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:RFD #5: "The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting Apple to Orange" AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per AngusWOOF. Apples to Oranges.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 16:04, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Endowment ceremon
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 16%23Endowment ceremon

List of notable goaltenders (ice hockey)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 22:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * List of notable goaltenders (ice hockey) → Goaltender (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_notable_goaltenders_(ice_hockey)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of notable centres (ice hockey) → Centre (ice hockey) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_notable_centres_(ice_hockey)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of notable defencemen (ice hockey) → Defenceman (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_notable_defencemen_(ice_hockey)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of notable wingers (ice hockey) → Winger (ice hockey) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_notable_wingers_(ice_hockey)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such lists (nonexistent sections), and it's hard for me to see how we could have any without being entirely subjective, or actually trying to list all ice hockey players of a given position in a single article. --BDD (talk) 14:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The following also exist, which you might want to list here too: List of notable wingers (ice hockey), List of notable centres (ice hockey), List of notable defencemen (ice hockey). Endymion.12 (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Good catch! Added (and nomination statement amended). --BDD (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Sympathetic to the deletion argument, but category redirects are at least worth discussing
 * Retarget to Category:Ice hockey goaltenders, Category:Ice hockey centres, Category:Ice hockey defencemen and Category:Ice hockey forwards respectively, which provide the reader with more or less what they're looking for (the hypothetical reader is probably using the word "notable" in a narrower sense than we do, but it's a relatively trivial distinction). We don't seem to have a categories for wingers specifically, but the forwards category has two relevant subcategories. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 23:40, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete No one will search for these exact phrases (with the brackets) and no articles link to them, so they're redundant. Endymion.12 (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 20:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm okay with category XNRs from common terms, but I don't believe these redirects to be likely search terms. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree with Tavix here. There is no list at any of the destination articles (it doesn't look like there's ever been lists of notable players in those articles) and the titles aren't simple enough for XNRs to be useful. Deryck C. 10:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

List of racist attack on Africans in India
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 18%23List of racist attack on Africans in India

Abu Ivanka
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 14:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Abu Ivanka → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abu_Ivanka&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Previous RfD ended up closing as no consensus. I don't think much has changed since then, while it has received media coverage, that coverage stopped within 2-3 days and thus does not pass WP:10YT and isn't worth mentioning anywhere else per WP:WEIGHT, hence it's best to delete it. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete – This was mostly used for trolling Trump about his "rooster fart" missile strike or his purported subservience to the Saudi regime ("Bow before the power of oil", "Sheikh Abu Ivanka Donald bin Trump Al-Amriki, the real spiritual leader of Wahhabeast, Wahhabism and Ahle Saud"). You can see that by searching Twitter posts for "Abu Ivanka". (can't link direct search URL due to blacklist) — JFG talk 09:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as yet another neologism. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment "Abu" means "father", right? If so, this would be an irrelevant WP:FORRED as well.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 16:00, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, because it's a nickname that has been used in English-language sources, not simply a translation from a unrelated foreign language. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. Yes this has been used by English-language media and no "Ivanka's dad" is not particularly derogatory, but I tend to agree with the point that the coverage was ephemeral and the fact that no Wikipedia article found it appropriate to include it meant that this redirect isn't doing our readers any good. Pick a side? Deryck C. 13:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * But if I pick a side, I wouldn't be able to close it (in case a closer is needed). I'm pretty firmly neutral on this one anyway. I think the best solution would be to document the nickname at List of nicknames of Presidents of the United States, but I doubt it would stick. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:56, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I got you. --BDD (talk) 14:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Oplan Double Barrel
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 16%23Oplan Double Barrel