Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 9

August 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 9, 2018.

Field Music(military)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 18%23Field Music(military)

Edward Woodhouse
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Thryduulf (talk) 22:05, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Edward Woodhouse → George Woodhouse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Woodhouse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. The redirect could cause confusion. Though Edward is George Woodhouse's middle name and he was known by that name when doing business, there are other Edward Woodhouses whose use of the name may be more significant, especially the professor. If the redirect is deleted, that could create space for an article about the academic. In the meantime, it's odd that the first several Google search results are about the academic, while the only wiki article is about the cricketer. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 15:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, as he went by that name in business and should have some news articles under that name, until a Edward J. Woodhouse article is created, assuming notable. Then it can be changed into either a WP:TWODABS or disambiguation page. There's also Chase Woodhouse's spouse, but not much is known about that person in that article other than he was a "professor of government" to warrant a redirect. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:03, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's always worthwhile to avoid redirects that might cause confusion between two or more topics covered in Wikipedia articles. It's much less of a priority though, in my view, to factor in topics that aren't covered in any articles (such as the Rensselaer professor). If an article on the Rensselaer professor were to be created, or perhaps if he was to be discussed in some depth in another article, then the situation would be different; but as it stands the current target is the only person by this name in relation to whom we have any significant discussion. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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Spider-Man (1978 TV series)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Spider-Man (disambiguation). Thryduulf (talk) 22:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Spider-Man (1978 TV series) → The Amazing Spider-Man (TV series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spider-Man_(1978_TV_series)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Currently points to the 1977–1979 U.S. TV series The Amazing Spider-Man (TV series), but there is also a 1978 Japanese series, Spider-Man (Toei TV series), so I think this needs to be retargeted to the disambiguation page: Spider-Man (disambiguation). IOW, there are two viable targets for this redirect, so it needs to point to the disambig. page. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Retargeting to the Spider-Man (disambiguation) section seems to make the most sense. Either that, retargeting to Spider-Man (Toei TV series) (as The Amazing Spider-Man (TV series) would generally be called the 1977 series by the standards of other articles), or deleting the redirect altogether. Nothing links to it, so I don't think deleting would be a problem for the time being. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 15:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It's... complicated: the backdoor pilot aired in 1977, but the "true" season #1 episodes aired as a mid-season replacement series in the spring of 1978. So Spider-Man (1978 TV series) isn't so far-fetched for this series as it might appear... Which, as I said, leads to the problem that there are two viable targets for this redirect, so pointing back to the disambig. page appears to be the best option... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect - Support redirect to disambiguation page. --Gonnym (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above. Whether it should be called Toei TV series or Japanese TV series can be discussed later, as 1978 isn't a clear enough disambiguation.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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Palace coup
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Coup d'état. Not much of a consensus, but this is the option that has more momentum. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Palace coup → Nonviolent revolution (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palace_coup&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was improperly RfD'd with no reason given. Corrected version - term not found in target and in any case a Palace Coup can be violent PRehse (talk) 13:18, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. They both appear to have the same meaning "the non-violent overthrow of a sovereign or government by senior officials within the ruling group". The editor  whose username is Z0 15:42, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Most definitions I found don't talk about levels of violence though one did say usually non-violent. Will say that historically ie Roman/Byzantine the Palace Coup did not end well for the ousted.PRehse (talk) 17:01, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To allow more time to discuss the proposals.
 * Soft redirect to palace coup. The phrase is not defined in any Wikipedia article that I can find, and the current target is unhelpful, both in the sense that palace coups can be violent, and nonviolent revolutions (as the first sentence of that article suggest) most often involve mass movements or at least people outside the narrow sphere within which palace coups occur. The reader who searches for this is probably looking for a definition of the phrase, and the Wiktionary entry provides that. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 18:39, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect to palace coup per Arms & Hearts. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 05:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect per Arms & Hearts. Thryduulf (talk) 14:22, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak soft redirect. 'Weak' because it sounds a bit similar to Self-coup.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 18:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * We should never soft redirect if a regular one makes sense. The phrase is, in fact, used at Coup d'état, and could/should be added to the #Types section. --BDD (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That sounds like an even better idea. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 05:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 13:24, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Add to the types of Coup d'état and redirect there, per BDD. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 15:38, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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Rimes
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 * The result of the discussion was convert to a surname article. Thryduulf (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Rimes → LeAnn Rimes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rimes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, should be a disambiguation or set index. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:34, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep and hatnote. I've done a search Special:Search/Rimes~ -leann and figured that LeAnn Rimes is the only use of "Rimes" on the English Wikipedia where "Rimes" is a proper noun. All Most of the other uses are derived from the plural of "rime" (in English and related languages), meaning either "ice coating" or "phonological rhyme". So a hatnote will be sufficient. Deryck C. 13:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment there's also Irina Rimes. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 13:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I've also found Leonardo Rimes da Cunha and Toby Rimes. Disambiguate. Deryck C. 13:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Rime and add Rimes people to that dab page. LeAnn Rimes doesn't go by the mononym Rimes to claim primary topic. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC) updated 14:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm good with the surname article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Rime as r from plural then make whatever addition(s) necessary. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 05:24, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Convert to a surname article: if there are articles on four people four people and one mythical poodle with this name then there's no reason to hide them away in a broader disambiguation page for a slightly different word. (Retargeting to Rime would be the second-best option though.) – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 20:02, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Convert to a surname article given that we've got three people with the name plus a dog, and Patrick Hanks thought it was worth its own entry in The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland . Drafted below the redirect. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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Diahcasial cyme
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Deryck C. 16:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Diahcasial cyme → Inflorescence (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diahcasial_cyme&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This should be deleted. It is a misspelling of Diachasial cyme and has no links to it. I moved the original content to Diachasial cyme; a bot fixed the double redirect. I would request deletion under WP:R3 (implausible typo), but the policy says that criterion doesn't apply to redirects created as the result of a page move, and so maybe this page can't be deleted under that criterion, I don't know.... — Eru·tuon 08:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The fact that the redirect was created at this title suggests that it is fact quite a plausible implausible typo, as are redirects that differ by one letter generally. There's no risk of this causing confusion or misleading the reader, so there is no benefit to deleting it. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 18:03, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Racism in India and the Sardarji joke
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:55, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Racism in India and the Sardarji joke → Sardarji joke (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Racism_in_India_and_the_Sardarji_joke&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term and a sort of WP:XY. I suppose this would be an instance of Racism in India (which redirects to Ethnic relations in India), but even if a user did search this phrase, they'd probably be looking for something more specific than the type of joke. BDD (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The redirect was the result of page move from bad article title. In Wikipedia we do not use this type of redirects, by combining two separate topics and then redirecting somewhere. Sikhs and Sardarji joke, Hindus and Sardarji joke, Santa and Banta and Sardarji joke, Ethnic humor and Sardarji joke.... They are useless as redirects.  Staszek Lem (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. There would be a good argument for keeping this if the target contained more background information on racism in India, but there isn't much such information and there's probably no grounds for adding more, so the redirect is unhelpful per WP:XY. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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