Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 11

December 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 11, 2018.

Stati Uniti d'America
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19%23Stati Uniti d'America

États-Unis
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 20:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


 * États-Unis → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%89tats-Unis&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * États-Unis d'Amérique → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%89tats-Unis_d%27Am%C3%A9rique&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Etats-Unis → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Etats-Unis&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Etats-Unis d'Amerique → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Etats-Unis_d%27Amerique&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Etats-unis d'amerique → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Etats-unis_d%27amerique&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:FORRED. These redirects are in French. In the previous discussion, there were claims that the United States has affinity to the French language. However, the country as a whole does not have French language affinity; that affinity, from my knowledge, is exclusive to Louisiana and possibly Florida. (I originally was going to put all of foreign language redirects to United States together in one nomination. However, I then found discussions such as Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4 and Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 18, so instead I’m listing them each individually by language to the best of my ability.) Steel1943  (talk) 23:18, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per the two previous discussions. Nothing has changed and I agree that the US has sufficient affinity with the French language for these redirects to be useful. feminist (talk) 00:25, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per French language in the United States. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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Nagkaisang mga Estado
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19%23Nagkaisang mga Estado

Vereinigte Staaten
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19%23Vereinigte Staaten

Соединённые Штаты Америки
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Unopposed. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 20:31, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Соединённые Штаты Америки → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%A8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:FORRED. The target does not have affinity to the Russian language. (I originally was going to put all of foreign language redirects to United States together in one nomination. However, I then found discussions such as Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4 and Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 18, so instead I’m listing them each individually by language to the best of my ability.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:57, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
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United+States
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 20:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


 * United+States → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United%2BStates&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * United+States+of+America → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United%2BStates%2Bof%2BAmerica&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search terms due to the use of pluses. Steel1943 (talk) 22:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * When I created that, the Firefox/Chrome Omnibar enwp.org search extension added plus signs between separate words, much the same way that Google still does in its urls (but of course it edits them out when it searches Wikipedia). I haven't really used Firefox for years but I think they now have a built-in omnibar and that there's probably no need for this redirect but I haven't tested that myself.  I'd be included to leave it just in case there's another search engine that still adds +'s between words. shrug :) Banaticus (talk) 23:38, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. ComplexRational (talk) 02:03, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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Columbian union
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19%23Columbian union

United States of America (redirect)
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 20:25, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="United States of America (redirect)">United States of America (redirect) → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_of_America_(redirect)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The disambiguator "(redirect)" is unclear in what it refers to. Steel1943 (talk) 22:51, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: It was used to test page views, see Talk:America (disambiguation)/Archive 4. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's no longer linked to so there's no reason to keep it around. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
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The United States of America.
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19%23The United States of America.

The Strait
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of straits. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 20:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The Strait → Strait (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Strait&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear what this refers to due to the use of the word "The". (If WP:X1 was still active, this could be a candidate for it.) Steel1943  (talk) 03:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to List of straits. I'm a little surprised there isn't a Strait (disambiguation), but most, if not all, straits could be called "the strait". I first thought of the Taiwan Strait (cf. Cross-Strait relations). --BDD (talk) 16:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 22:30, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of straits per BDD. feminist (talk) 00:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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Draft:Barry Allen (The Flash) (2)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 21%23Draft:Barry Allen (The Flash) (2)

Scrith
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  as refined by . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Scrith → Ringworld (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scrith&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term does not appear in target article shoy (reactions) 13:30, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

It does, at Ringworld. I've changed the redirect accordingly.-- Auric   talk  18:27, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Refine target to Ringworld per Auric -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:57, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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Processing (language)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 28%23Processing (language)

Own label
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 28%23Own label

Cerasuolo (grape)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 02:37, 21 December 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="Cerasuolo (grape)">Cerasuolo (grape) → Cerasuolo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cerasuolo_(grape)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirection should be deleted, because Cerasuolo is not a grape, it is a village, a surname, or two different Italian DOC wines. Further reasoning is on the Talk:Cerasuolo (grape) page; closest thing in WP:RFD 3.1, reasons for deleting, is No. 5, "The redirect makes no sense" Jon (talk) 12:41, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You're certainly right that there doesn't appear to be a grape by this name, that both of the wines called Cerasuolo use other grapes. That doesn't mean this couldn't be useful as an R from incorrect name. A reader familiar with these wines that wants to know more about the grapes they're made with could plausibly search for something like this, and from there, could learn the truth. On the other hand, a reader familiar with these wines may well just go directly to the wines' articles. I think I could go either way here. --BDD (talk) 21:11, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting point, would it be helpful to mention the grape varieties (Montepulciano, Nero d'Avola, and Frappato) in the Cerasuolo disambiguation page this leads to? I'm not super-committed to deleting this page but my point is just that it's not a grape, and I imagine searching for "Cerasuolo" will get you to where you'd probably want to go (articles about the wines, or possibly the town) if you thought it was a grape variety. Unrelatedly, in subsequent research I've found "Cerasuolo" is also an Italian word for the red precious coral, Corallium rubrum, used in jewellery since antiquity, but I'm not sure whether it is worth adding that to the English disambiguation page. — Jon (talk) 09:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No it would not be helpful to list the grape varieties on the DAB page. It would be against MOS:DAB.
 * I like the idea of relabelling as R from incorrect name. Redirects are cheap, and it's a plausible search term. Narky Blert (talk) 10:38, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * We tend to avoid redirects (or disambiguation-page listings) from other languages—see WP:FORRED. --BDD (talk) 14:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep and tag R from incomplete disambiguation (or R from incorrect disambiguation, if you wine prescriptivists would prefer). I think it's reasonable for someone to append "(grape)" to try to disambiguate a wine variety. Deryck C. 12:51, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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