Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 12

December 12
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 12, 2018.

Swan Reach Country Music Festival
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 19:03, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Swan Reach Country Music Festival → South Australia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swan_Reach_Country_Music_Festival&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was deleted at Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 25 but recreated to a different target. Same rationale applies: the festival is not mentioned at the target and should be deleted per WP:REDLINK if notable. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Without prejudice of an article being created or a target that covers it. The current (and previous) targets are way too generic for a music festival that doesn't have a stand alone article here.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:51, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe it could be covered (but only brieflysince its not common to include large amonts of info on organizations on settlement articles) at Mannum as that's its location per its website.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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The Tangent Line
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Tangent (disambiguation). Proposal unopposed. Deryck C. 19:03, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The Tangent Line → Mason–Dixon line (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Tangent_Line&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This term is used to refer to a section of the Mason–Dixon line. However, as Tangent Line redirects to Tangent i don't think it's a good idea for this to target Mason–Dixon line, which makes no mention of tangent.

Two better solutions would either be to redirect to tangent where a hatnote takes people to Tangent (disambiguation) where the Mason–Dixon line is mentioned. Or to delete, so that a search for "the tangent line" will reveal both the tangent and Mason–Dixon line articles. Pontificalibus 18:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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List of atheists and agnostics in science and technology
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19%23List of atheists and agnostics in science and technology

List of nontheists
         <span id="List of nontheists (surnames C to D)"> <span id="List of nontheists (surnames E to G)"> <span id="List of nontheists (surnames H to K)"> <span id="List of nontheists (surnames L to M)"> <span id="List of nontheists (surnames N to Q)"> <span id="List of nontheists (surnames R to S)"> <span id="List of nontheists (surnames T to Z)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19%23List of nontheists

Mormonism and other faiths
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn.  --BDD (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Mormonism and other faiths → Mormonism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mormonism_and_other_faiths&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mormonism and Other Faiths → Mormonism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mormonism_and_Other_Faiths&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Due to the use of the phrase "other faiths" in these titles, they could lead readers to assume that all faiths are listed at the target, which they are not. Steel1943 (talk) 17:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and refine to Mormonism (the current section target no longer exists). While there are often issues with "other" redirects, I don't see a problem here. The "other" is obviously religious traditions other than Mormonism. No responsible reader will interpret this to mean all other faiths, and the section I propose refining to should have relevant discussion on whichever faiths we can speak to. --BDD (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Guess it’d help if I had looked through the article a bit more throughly to discover this section, considering that I recently made a similar edit. Withdrawing to allow implementation of BDD’s idea. Steel1943  (talk) 20:00, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
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List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists
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Khatris and other groups
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Deryck C. 19:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Khatris and other groups → Taunk (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khatris_and_other_groups&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear what "other groups" is meant to refer to. Steel1943 (talk) 17:13, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Cadiz City
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Cadiz, Negros Occidental. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 03:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Cadiz City → Cádiz (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cadiz_City&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is also a Cadiz City in Negros Occidental, Philippines. The Province or any higher division w/c Cadiz City of Spain should be specified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johanry (talk • contribs) 12:05, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Created on behalf of ~ GB fan 12:07, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Deleting this redirect will only make it so that someone typing in Cadiz City does not go anywhere. I think it should continue to redirect to Cadiz, Spain as that is the primary topic.  If we do anything we should redirect to Cadiz (disambiguation).  There are three cities listed on that page, Spain, Philippines and Kentucky USA.  ~ GB fan 13:30, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Cadiz, Negros Occidental (and hatnote) as the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT from my research. Of the three cities named Cadiz, Kentucky doesn't ever use "Cadiz City", Spain rarely (only example on Wikipedia I can find is at Autovía CA-36), and the Philippines frequently (for example, it's used 19 times at Cadiz, Negros Occidental). An external search for "Cadiz City" primarily gave me Philippine results as well. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:31, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Cadiz, Negros Occidental with a hatnote to Cadiz (disambiguation) per Tavix's findings -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:50, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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Pontic linguistics
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Pontic. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 02:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Pontic linguistics → Pontic Greek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pontic_linguistics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The current target is the unexpected outcome of a recent RfD discussion. I still maintain that deletion is best: there doesn't appear to be such a thing as "Pontic linguistics" (just try looking it up anywhere), and we don't have any content on wikipedia for anything that could reasonably be construed as being referred to by this term. But if we must keep this, then the previous target, the disambiguation page section Pontic, seems more appropriate as there are three distinct language-related meanings of "Pontic". And if anything, Pontic Greek is the least "linguisticky" of them all. – Uanfala (talk) 20:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per the outcome of the just closed RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 13:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There was nothing in the previous RfD that addressed the ambiguity of the term. – Uanfala (talk) 13:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The other terms seem to refer to language groups as opposed to a language. I think, whatever it's target, it should be the same as Pontic language, right? --Bsherr (talk) 16:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "Linguistics" doesn't have any more affinity for "language" than it does for "languages" (though it can be argued that the reverse is true as any article about a linguistic grouping of languages would sound more "linguisticky" than an article about an individual language). For a redirect like Pontic linguistics, if it is to exist at all, there's no reason for its target to be the same as Pontic language rather than Pontic languages. – Uanfala (talk) 22:26, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's fair. I suppose any doubt should be resolved in favor of the disambiguation page as the target. --Bsherr (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And I guess there might be differences in the background assumptions here. On wikipedia there are altogether fewer than ten redirects that contain a language name followed by "linguistics" . Most of these go to articles that have some content relevant to the discipline (rather than the language), and in the best cases that's a different article than the one about the language: for example, German linguistics redirects to German studies and Russian linguistics redirects to List of Russian linguists and philologists. It's from this vantage point that the redirect Pontic linguistics appears harmful: it leads you to expect content that isn't actually there. – Uanfala (talk) 23:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I read that argument in the prior discussion, but it seems to me that until there is an article on the field of study, redirecting to the object of the study is an acceptable alternative. Though I think quite reasonable people can differ on that issue. Bsherr (talk) 23:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Pontic per the above. --Bsherr (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Do you have anything to add?

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 15:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't notice this; I don't think XfD closer pings in the relist. At any rate, I don't have a particular comment on this redirect.  I don't think it should have been nominated: the previous RfD didn't close as no consensus WP:TRAINWRECK, so while I've disagreed with the re-nomination of all these redirects as well as the ones on the 25th on process grounds, I've stayed out since others besides the nominator have been willing to discuss them. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 18:28, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This still seems to be attracting participation.
 * Retarget to Pontic or delete - Pontic languages seems an as likely target. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:58, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 10:46, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Anything to add? Deryck C. 10:46, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Famous suicide
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 03:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Famous suicide → List of suicides (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Famous_suicide&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous redirect, since most of the suicides listed at target article could easily fit into the "famous" category. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:56, 4 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - I think it's a reasonably likely search term for someone writing an essay, or looking for a good example. "Famous" is not the same thing as "notable", but List of suicides is the best article we have, and is a really good starting point. - Richard Cavell (talk) 13:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Richard Cavell. Since most of the suicides listed at target article could easily fit into the "famous" category this appears to be the correct target, and since there's nothing else on Wikipedia called "famous suicide" I don't see how this is ambiguous.. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Template:ThisDateInRecentYears2006Rev
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Rivals
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 20%23Rivals

Fairmont Hot Springs, Montana
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Deryck C. 18:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="Fairmont Hot Springs, Montana">Fairmont Hot Springs, Montana → Hot spring (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fairmont_Hot_Springs,_Montana&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not discussed in target article; a redlink would be better. Catrìona (talk) 03:32, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Bozeman Hot Springs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 18:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Bozeman Hot Springs → Hot spring (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bozeman_Hot_Springs&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not discussed in target article; a redlink would be better Catrìona (talk) 03:32, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not mentioned at Bozeman, Montana, it does appear to be a real place ~7 miles away (see Montana Highway 85). --BDD (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
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New food processor
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 21:13, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


 * New food processor → Food processor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_food_processor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * New Food Processor → Food processor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Food_Processor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No utility. Not really sure of the intent here. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 00:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I added New Food Processor to the nomination due to it only differing in capitalization. Steel1943  (talk) 05:25, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete with a caveat - I was invited to comment because of my previous involvement with the articles in question. If you look at the history of New food processor before December 11 it shows that someone wrote a full article on an appliance of that name, and nobody else could figure out how it was different than a plain old food processor. Then another editor did a basic redirect and here we are. The thing is, "New Food" really is a term used by health activists  and there is also a book on how to process it . If foodies learn of this discussion there may be an argument over whether "new food processing" is a notable new thing. Until then, I recommend deleting the redirects and the history of the offending article, though I admit that my knowledge of the field is limited. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:37, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. New food-processors are no different from old food-processors, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to have a redirect for new-food processors when new food is a redlink.  The existing title is unhelpful because it's ambiguous and needs a hyphen somewhere, and there's no point in disambiguating between two pages that don't really need redirects in the first place.  Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This should have been speedily deleted. The topic (new food processor) wasn't different from the current article, it was that the article was the new version created by a WikiEd editor, and they probably didn't have adequate instructions. Natureium (talk) 01:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete totally absurd and irrelevant redirect that no one will ever use and has absolutely no value. Praxidicae (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
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