Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 25

December 25
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 25, 2018.

Push (Marvel Comics)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Spider-Girl (Mayday Parker).  The SandDoctor  Talk 01:18, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Push (Marvel Comics) → Spider-Girl (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Push_(Marvel_Comics)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

'Push' is not mentioned in Spider-Girl or in Nancy Lu (it's previous target), and I can't find another target. Therefore, I propose deletion of this redirect, or redirection if someone familiar with Spider Girl knows of one. Leschnei (talk) 21:20, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Spider-Girl (Mayday Parker), where it is mentioned that "Push" is the alias of Nancy Lu. The Spider-Girl article was recently split, and a couple redirects weren't retargeted with the split. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 14:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Nokmim
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 8%23Nokmim

B-double-flat major
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 08:42, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * B-double-flat major → A major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B-double-flat_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * E-double-flat major → D major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E-double-flat_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * A-double-flat major → G major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A-double-flat_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * D-double-flat major → C major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D-double-flat_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * G-double-flat major → F major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G-double-flat_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * C-double-flat major → B-flat major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C-double-flat_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * B-double-flat minor → A minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B-double-flat_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * E-double-flat minor → D minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E-double-flat_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * A-double-flat minor → G minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A-double-flat_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * F-double-sharp major → G major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F-double-sharp_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * C-double-sharp major → D major (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C-double-sharp_major&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * F-double-sharp minor → G minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F-double-sharp_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * C-double-sharp minor → D minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C-double-sharp_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * G-double-sharp minor → A minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G-double-sharp_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * D-double-sharp minor → E minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D-double-sharp_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * A-double-sharp minor → B minor (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A-double-sharp_minor&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The keys with more than six or seven accidentals are rarely used already, and I can see reason to keep those in which the root note only has one accidental (some of which are theoretical, but may still be searched for). Even though they are mentioned briefly in theoretical key, I don't think any scores exist in keys starting on a double sharp or double flat - as there are enharmonic keys that are much easier notated - rendering them impractical and probably non-notable. Therefore, I propose deletion of these redirects. ComplexRational (talk) 00:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep; there may not be scores using such theoretical keys as tonics, but there is nothing stopping them from being temporarily tonicised (for instance, ♭VI of D♭ major is B𝄫 major). I see no reason to delete them as they are hence plausible search terms. (I created these redirects with one of my previous accounts.) Double sharp (talk) 01:26, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 18:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, they're highly unusual, but someone searching on one should be able to find the appropriate article. I don't see any reason in WP:RFD that applies here; and Redirects are cheap. TJRC (talk) 19:55, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. These are certainly unusual, as said above, but both apparently correct and potentially useful. As such, they are of encylopedic value. -- The Anome (talk) 20:17, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
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Speculative philosophy
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 8%23Speculative philosophy

Ayurveda medicinal plant lajjalu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Per the redirects history, this was supposedly merged to Mimosa pudica, but as none of the content remains in that page, we do not need to retain the history for attribution. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 17:04, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Ayurveda medicinal plant lajjalu → Mimosa pudica (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayurveda_medicinal_plant_lajjalu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This's an implausible and weird redirect. Common sense and all that. &#x222F; WBG converse 13:10, 25 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Agreed, this is too odd to be useful. Delete. Guettarda (talk) 15:14, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete; too obscure of a phrase to be useful and the vernacular name lajjalu redirecting to Mimosa pudica is sufficient. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 17:37, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 23:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Samarahan District
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 19:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Samarahan District → Samarahan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samarahan_District&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A redirect to a DAB page with no relevant entry. In use, and User:DPL bot is complaining about the WP:INTDABLINK errors. Different from Samarahan Division, according to that article. Delete to avoid confusion and to encourage article creation. Narky Blert (talk) 10:59, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Samarahan Division. I agree with the nom that the district is different from the division; but the district is a part of the division, as described in that article, and anyone looking for what information exists on the district will find it in the article on the division. This is consistent with WP:POFR, "Sub-topics or other topics which are described or listed within a wider article." TJRC (talk) 20:42, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. We should have a separate article about Samarahan District (just as we have for Simunjan District and Asajaya District), and WP:REDLINKing it is the best way to send a signal to editors that we need an article. Alternatively as always, anyone can start a stub about Samarahan District (e.g. based on ) over the next few days and make this RFD moot. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm all for a new article, and that would certainly be the preferred situation; but in the absence of an article, a redirect to the division is preferable to a redlink. It's better to send the reader to some information, what division the district is in, by the redirect, than to provide no information, by the redlink. TJRC (talk) 03:05, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Redirecting a geographic entity to a parent entity is nearly always a bad idea, as long as the smaller entity is notable.  If Malaysian districts are ordinary local governments, they're necessarily notable, and we shouldn't make it look like we have an article on the subject until we really do have such an article.  Nyttend (talk) 03:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
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Music Video Production Association
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Music Video Production Association → MVPA (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Music_Video_Production_Association&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A redirect to a DAB page with no relevant entry. User:DPL bot is complaining about the WP:INTDABLINK errors. Delete. Narky Blert (talk) 10:50, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The target is not relevant to the subject and hinders search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:55, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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Anthropos (journal)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Anthropos (journal)">Anthropos (journal) → Anthropos (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anthropos_(journal)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A redirect to a DAB page with no relevant entry, except an ill link to a section of an article in German WP. It is in use, and User:DPL bot is complaining. Delete to encourage article creation, if a separate article is justified, or at least until there is a valid redirect target of some sort. Narky Blert (talk) 10:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete; even aside from the bot problem, the blue link makes it look like we have an article on this journal when we don't really. Confusing a bot is much less problematic than confusing readers.  Nyttend (talk) 03:49, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Although created in good faith, this redirect is now counterproductive and gets in the way of readers, editors and bots.  Removing it would improve the situation to a known unknown. Certes (talk) 00:56, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * 'Delete, the redirect may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:00, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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Machines that can think
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Artificial intelligence. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Machines that can think → Artificial consciousness (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Machines_that_can_think&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Shouldn’t this target Artificial intelligence? Steel1943 (talk) 22:50, 18 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 23:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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List of places in the United States named after other places in the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:03, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * List of places in the United States named after other places in the United States → List of places named after places in the United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_places_in_the_United_States_named_after_other_places_in_the_United_States&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target list article does not have a section or subsection with the specific list as specified by the redirect. One cannot assume that the reader knows which places listed are in the United States. Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 14 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, I've added a column to the sortable table so that those people who are looking for this can easily find it. I debated splitting it into sections, but given that only one entry was outside the United States that seemed less useful at the current time. Thryduulf (talk) 12:09, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The redirect target indeed contains the list that the redirect title describes. Deryck C. 19:24, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Adams and others v Cape Industries plc & another
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:31, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Adams and others v Cape Industries plc & another">Adams and others v Cape Industries plc & another → Adams v Cape Industries plc (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adams_and_others_v_Cape_Industries_plc_%26_another&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Since this doesn’t seem like an alternate name of the case, this redirect just seems like an unclear, spurious use of the terms "others" and "another". Steel1943 (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. This does seem to be the/a full name of the case as given in various sources so it is a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's the title used in the law report. Narky Blert (talk) 14:49, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
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Restyling
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 4%23Restyling

Happy Holidays 2011
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:31, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Happy Holidays 2011 → Christmas and holiday season (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Happy_Holidays_2011&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Happy holidays 2011 → Christmas and holiday season (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Happy_holidays_2011&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Happy holidays from seven years ago! -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:58, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete via 1.21 gigawatts. Steel1943  (talk) 08:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORUM and WP:NOTCASE - this title resembles blue trucks, for example, and reads like a personal wish. ComplexRational (talk) 19:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Of no possible utility. -- The Anome (talk) 20:18, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete both; pointless redirects with no use. TJRC (talk) 20:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 23:09, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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