Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 31

December 31
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 31, 2018.

Media racism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 7%23Media racism

Mainstream deceptions
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Mainstream deceptions → Ethnic stereotype (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mainstream_deceptions&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mainstream lies → Ethnic stereotype (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mainstream_lies&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The subjects of these redirects are not exclusive to the target. Steel1943 (talk) 23:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Media propaganda
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to Propaganda through media  /withdraw. Not sure how I missed that potential target.  Steel1943  (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Media propaganda → Ethnic stereotype (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Media_propaganda&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The phrase is not exclusive to its target in the least, but there seems to not be a more proper retargeting option for this redirect either. Steel1943 (talk) 23:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Propaganda through media. Could not be less of a WP:SURPRISE. w umbolo   ^^^  16:32, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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Pop-cultural imperialism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 11%23Pop-cultural imperialism

Racial Stereotypes (e learning)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:35, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Racial Stereotypes (e learning) → Ethnic stereotype (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Racial_Stereotypes_(e_learning)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear what "(e learning)" is meant to refer to. (This redirect was an article for less than a day.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Considering that the article was an essay of origunal research, I am quite surprised that it was redirected rather than deleted by PROD. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 00:37, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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"White" redirects to Ethnic stereotype
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 10%23"White" redirects to Ethnic stereotype

Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  . Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans → Ethnic stereotype (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stereotypes_of_Italians_and_Italian_Americans&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no such information at the target article. (However, this redirect is a R with history.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Anti-Italianism. There's a light WP:XY problem here, where a reader specifically concerned with Italian Americans would be more interested in Italian Americans. I've added an explicit link there from Italian Americans, which should alleviate that, but I'm confident that a reader searching this term would be satisfied with Anti-Italianism alone. --BDD (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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Media lies
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Media lies → Ethnic stereotype (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Media_lies&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This phrase is not exclusive to its target, and in general, the phrase is not exclusive to really anything. Steel1943 (talk) 22:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Fake news comes to mind first. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 00:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That was the first subject that came to mind for me as well, but that subject isn’t necessarily lies, so I glanced on to not considering it for retargeting. Steel1943  (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as no suitable target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:00, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Negative stereotypes of other cultures
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Stereotype.  Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Negative stereotypes of other cultures → Ethnic stereotype (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Negative_stereotypes_of_other_cultures&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect does not answer the question "Other than what cultures?" and is thus vague. Also, Negative stereotype is a redirect to Stereotype, meaning that the title of this redirect basically assumes that all "other" stereotypes are "ethnic", which is not true in all contexts. Steel1943 (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Stereotype as a possible related search term. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:09, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Rubbish computer. "Other than one's own" is a pretty reasonable assumption. --BDD (talk) 22:07, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
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Vincennes incident
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Vincennes incident → Iran Air Flight 655 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vincennes_incident&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target is specific to an incident with USS Vincennes (CG-49). This redirect could ambiguously refer to any incident that has happened in Vincennes or and subject on Vincennes (disambiguation). A related properly precise redirect, USS Vincennes Incident, exists and also targets the same target. Steel1943 (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. This redirect is a common search term for the target article. 9/11 still redirects to September 11 attacks even though, as here, there are multiple "theoretical" other meanings. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The connection between "9/11" and "September 11 attacks" seems a lot clearer than the connection between the nominated redirect and its target. When I see the redirect and the target, it seems more akin to connecting "Pretzel incident" (RfD) and "George W. Bush". Steel1943  (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources (such as here and here; many others) disagree with you; this is a synonym for the target unlike the spurious example you give. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is pretty commonly referred to without the "USS".  Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:30, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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Weezer (2009 album)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Weezer (2009 album)">Weezer (2009 album) → Raditude (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weezer_(2009_album)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target is not a self-titled album. Steel1943 (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:23, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying → Raditude (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Softies_and_Twelve_Other_Songs_About_Partying&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * "Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying → Raditude (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%22Softies%22_and_Twelve_Other_Songs_About_Partying&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. This is possibly a failed WP:CRYSTAL name for the subject of this article, and possibly was never a working title. Steel1943 (talk) 20:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. No resemblance to target article. Ajf773 (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as is not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 13:39, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Kathleen and the Other Three
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Kathleen and the Other Three → Catfish and the Bottlemen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathleen_and_the_Other_Three&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect was an article that was redirected to its current target as a result of Articles for deletion/Kathleen and the Other Three. However, in the article’s current state, this redirect is not mentioned in the target article. It seems that a song from the subject of this redirect, ”Kathleen", is mentioned a few times, but not the subject of the redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as is not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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The Other Lockerbie
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The Other Lockerbie → Iran Air Flight 655 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Other_Lockerbie&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Mentioned in the references section as a title of a reference, but not mentioned in the content of the article. For this reason, the connection between the redirect and the subject of the article is unclear, and there is a possibility that readers who look up this term are looking for the referenced source and not the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Lockerbie seems to be a reference to Pan Am Flight 103. A user looking for "The Other Lockerbie" probably wants to find an article about tragic flights, but why would you specifically be looking for this article as opposed to, say, Korean Air Lines Flight 007 or Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Potentially confusing target. Also implausible search term. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing, implausible search term. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:11, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The average reader has probably not watched the eponymous Four Corners episode. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 19:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Life And Other Times
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Life And Other Times → Leslie Grantham (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Life_And_Other_Times&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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War Zone(Crusade)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="War Zone(Crusade)">War Zone(Crusade) → List of Crusade episodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_Zone(Crusade)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB and since its equivalent with a proper space, War Zone (Crusade), exists. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 17:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:11, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Gravediggaz (other rap group)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Gravediggaz (other rap group)">Gravediggaz (other rap group) → MF Grimm (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gravediggaz_(other_rap_group)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The disambiguator “(other rap group)” is vague due to the use of the word “other”. It assumes that all readers know that the subject currently at Gravediggaz is the other from this other. Steel1943 (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Stati Uniti d'America
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  --BDD (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Stati Uniti d'America → United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stati_Uniti_d%27America&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:FORRED. Target does not have affinity with the Italian language. (I originally was going to put all of foreign language redirects to United States together in one nomination. However, I then found discussions such as Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4 and Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 18, so instead I’m listing them each individually by language to the best of my ability.) Steel1943  (talk) 23:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Italian is a sizable minority language in the United States per Italian language in the United States. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:48, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 20:33, 19 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This is an involved relisting to close the log page for the 19th
 * Delete insufficient affinity of Italian language with the United States. Catrìona (talk) 23:24, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are thousands of minority languages in the United States, we don't need redirects to the country name from any except the very biggest handful (at most) and Languages of the United States ranks Italian only 14th by the number of people speaking it at home. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think I lean on the side of considering Italian as having sufficient affinity with the USA to justify a redirect. Deryck C. 19:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 19:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:04, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. This 10-year-old redirect is exactly the sort of thing described in "Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them."  WhatamIdoing (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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Spicy meatball
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . This was originally listed at 18 December 2018, but two sysops edit-conflicted with one another in different closes.  Before it could be remedied, further contributions were made.  See further explanation here and here.

As such, I am closing this as No consensus and will note the retarget as a bold redirect. ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Spicy meatball → Alka-Seltzer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spicy_meatball&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Spicy meatball could refer to the actual food spicy meatballs, I don't see how Alka-Seltzer is known as this. Colgatepony234 (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep. It's a reference to their famous 1969 ad campaign. OTOH, I doubt anyone is typing "Spicy meatball" into Wikipedia expecting it to have an encyclopedia entry. --Quuxplusone (talk) 00:37, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I created this redirect for that very reason; "Spicy Meatball" is a very iconic commercial. Interesting Fact: The Italian-American Civil Rights League protested both the commercial and The Godfather, according to the Chicago Daily News.  Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 02:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Now I see how Spicy meatball relates to Alka-Seltzer, but still, the term could refer to other things, like the actual food called spicy meatballs. Colgatepony234 (talk) 02:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Suggest deletion and creation of That's a spicy meatball as a replacement redirect to Alka-Seltzer (a renaming if you prefer) (and possibly also a redirect to that from That's a spicy meat-a-ball) to be more appropriately specific. And since the ad campaign is very well known, the page could even one day earn it's own content. Resident Evil even has an achievement named after it :)  05:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to meatball which actually describes a few spicy meatball dishes, or delete per Fred Gandt. The commercial is not the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT of this common term, and in fact appears to be nothing more than a WP:PTM. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but make hatnote on target page with link to meatball. Given there's not actually a specific dish called "spicy meatball", it's far more likely someone would be searching for the commercial or the product, but it's plausible enough a search term for meatball to merit a hatnote. Smartyllama (talk) 18:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - no reason to target to anything. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  19:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Meatball. It's a phrase for which people might conceivably search, but we should not facilitate corporate marketing when there is an article that is closer to the literal meaning if the redirect. bd2412  T 15:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I don't think "retarget at meatball" is an appropriate resolution. That would be as if someone created a redirect at Australian for beer and then an RFD retargeted it to Beer — it completely misses the point of having that redirect exist at all. Keep the Easter egg, or delete it, or rename it to That's a spicy meatball per Fred Gandt — but don't retarget it to an unhelpful article about literal meatballs! --Quuxplusone (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep it's strongly associated with the ad, although other sources say the the title was "Mama Mia" or "Groom's First Meal" .           AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:15, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Meatball per bd2412. That article does list some spicy meatballs, along with another one at List of meatball dishes which is linked there. The R from quote to Alka-Seltzer would be That's a spicy meatball (and/or variants to preserve the eye dialect). -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete or Weak retarget to List of meatball dishes. The phrase is ambiguous and could refer to multiple subjects not known specifically as "spicy meatball" themselves. In addition, the adjective "spicy" is relative, considering that what is spicy to one person may not be spicy to another, so thus "retargeting to Meatball" could be seen as misleading. Steel1943  (talk) 19:19, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: I believe there is no suitable target because there is no article or section specifically about spicy meatballs. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Family Game Night
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate.  Thank you  for creating Family Game Night (disambiguation) on 28 December 2018. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Family Game Night → Hasbro Family Game Night (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Game_Night&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Based on page views, it's a WP:NOPRIMARY situation between Family Game Night (TV series) and Hasbro Family Game Night. Therefore, Family Game Night and Family Game Night (TV series) should be swapped, with the TV series article residing at the base title. Then a hatnote to Hasbro Family Game Night can be added to the TV series article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I’m confused: The first part of this nomination is claiming WP:NOPRIMARY, but then the next sentence claims that there is a primary topic. It’s contradicting itself. Steel1943  (talk) 01:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Either way, my vote is for convert Family Game Night into a disambiguation page (I agree with WP:NOPRIMARY for this), then tag the page with dabconcept since this phrase seems exclusive to the Hasbro concept. (Seems that there is a series or franchise-type article that should be made in regards to the Hasbro concept.) Steel1943  (talk) 01:28, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * dabify convert to dab paage - per the nom -- 67.70.34.69 (talk) 10:23, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Family Game
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget.  --BDD (talk) 21:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Family Game → The Family Game (game show) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Game&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 16, Family game is now a disambiguation page. I propose retargetting this capitalised title to that disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:23, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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American settlers
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 * The result of the discussion was convert  to set index. Thanks to wbm1058 for doing it. --BDD (talk) 21:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * American settlers → European colonization of the Americas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_settlers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

retarget to a more appropriate target. Some options
 * Colonial history of the United States
 * Settlement of the Americas

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 * Keep It seems that the most appropriate article for the redirect is already chosen. I say to leave this redirect the way it is. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 17:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Can we create a topic index? It seems that the term "American settlers" isn't actually ambiguous as is, but it is a dictionary definition that can refer to multiple encyclopedia articles that refer to related (but separate) topics. Deryck C. 10:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Settlement of the Americas which seems to be the most encompassing target. "Colonization" seem too narrow to me, settling also occurred post-colonization. If a dab is to be created, also consider American diaspora (Americans settling elsewhere) and The Oregon Trail: American Settler (especially if the dab is created at American settler). -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:50, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Settlement of the Americas per Tavix. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * this topic is too broad and ambiguous to be adequately covered by a single article. I've created a draft "topic index" for American settlers, as suggested by . – wbm1058 (talk) 18:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Convert to set index per . Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Choppy scene
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Choppy scene → Film director (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Choppy_scene&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Choppy scene doesn't really have anything to do with the article for film director, and it probably isn't even a topic that has encyclopedic value. The only thing that links to it is a disambiguation page, which might also be unnecessary. I propose that the redirect be deleted. Secundus Zephyrus (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as is simply not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The redirect might cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Shannon Stone
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 06:04, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Shannon Stone → Globe Life Park in Arlington (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shannon_Stone&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The only thing that links here is the page it links to. Not needed. Beasting123 (talk) 22:44, 23 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep. Incoming links aren't everything. This is a beyond-excellent search term.  Paine Ellsworth , ed. put'r there  22:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Paine. In addition, this redirect was an article for 7.5 years 2 weeks (Correction. - Steel1943  (talk) 22:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)) until it was redirected two weeks ago. Even at this, this redirect is a R with history.  Steel1943  (talk) 22:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sheesh! What's happened to RfD when redirects like this are placed in jeopardy? If I were a god I'd say in my deepest, most intimidating voice, ' Why the correction? It was created as a Stub article in 2011.  Paine Ellsworth ', ed. put'r there  22:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * (The stub that was written in 2011 was redirected the same day, and it seems the redirect remained until 2 December 2018 when another stub was written, only to be redirected again in the diff I referenced above.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep as a plausible search term. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Baruch Hashem
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 06:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Baruch Hashem → Besiyata Dishmaya (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baruch_Hashem&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect should be deleted as Baruch Hashem is not an alternate phrase for Besiyata Dishmaya. They mean completely different things. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 17:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Although indeed the translations are different, Baruch HaShem (correct capitalization per WP:HEBREW) means "Praise be to God" and BeSiyata DiShmaya (correct capitalization strikes again) means "With the help of Heaven", but the usage is the same: both are used at the beginning of letters written by religious Jews to express their thankfulness to God. Debresser (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I hear these expressions used often in my community, and in my personal experience, they are not at all used in the same way. “Baruch Hashem” is used after remarking about a good event. Example: “I thought I was going to miss the bus, but I managed to catch it, Baruch HaShem.” Besiyata Dishmaya on the the other hand, is used when expressing hope that something will happen. Example: “We will begin this project now, and hopefully have it done by next week, Besiyata Dishmaya.” Puzzledvegetable (talk) 23:10, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That is another usage of Baruch HaShem. The one I mentioned is the well-known writing of 'B"H' at the beginning of a letter. Not the same thing. Debresser (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt what you are saying, but I personally have never seen B"H used in that way. Regardless, however, they still mean different things and aren't the same thing just because they can both be used in a similar situation. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 14:21, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep. Good search term. Mentioned and described in the target article.  Paine Ellsworth , ed. put'r there  22:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget/refine to Besiyata Dishmaya as relevant section. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Template:R with possibilties
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . It may make sense to discuss some of these individually, regarding how likely a particular error is, though I'd recommend a cooling-off period first. There is certainly not consensus to remove typos in template-namespace redirects wholesale. --BDD (talk) 22:03, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Template:R with possibilties → Template:R with possibilities (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_with_possibilties&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Usernamexpand → Template:Usernameexpand (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Usernamexpand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Usernammeexpand → Template:Usernameexpand (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Usernammeexpand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Seperate article → Template:Split section (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Seperate_article&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Original reasearch → Template:Original research (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Original_reasearch&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Not a good idea to support typographical errors in the maintenance template space. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:18, 21 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. If people took the idea of creating these seriously, we'd have tens of thousands of redirects no one needs. Having these around also makes maintenance more difficult.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:41, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Template:R with possibilties, which I created nearly four years ago because either I or another editor actually had used that spelling to call the template, can be considered a common misspelling. I've created many redirects in several namespaces for that reason, and they can all be considered to be common misspellings. These redirects certainly do no harm as cited by those who've used WP:COSTLY, and, in my humble opinion, they serve an important purpose for those readers who search on Wikipedia.  Paine Ellsworth , ed. put'r there   00:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC) 22:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:COSTLY, it takes just as much time to fix such a typo as it does to create such a redirect, keeping these would simply encourage the creation of similar redirects. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete but consider if you really want some more useful alias for that  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:51, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep 4 and 5, with no comment on the others. "Seperate" is always a plausible mistake for "separate" (and Separate article is a working redirect to the "Seperate" title's target), and I've seen "reasearch" far more times than I can count.  Someone demonstrated that my creation of relfist was problematic, since bots look for the existence of reflist and add it when neither it nor other reference-placement code is present; however, these templates aren't being added by bots, and I can't envision a situation in which they're significantly problematic.  Template-dating bots already know how to convert redirects to current names; I've often seen cn or fact get bot-converted to citation needed, for example.  Nyttend (talk) 04:00, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete all per nom. Spelling mistakes in template redirects such as these specific examples are just unhelpful and WP:COSTLY. Steel1943  (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all common spelling mistakes in template redirects are very good examples of useful redirects that aid editors improving the encyclopaedia. They impose no maintenance burdon (they don't have to be fixed, and if the target templates get moved a bot will fix the double redirects without human effort) so they are harmless and WP:CHEAP. Deletion will not bring any benefits to anybody. Thryduulf (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per the points made by above. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * For Info a previous similar discussion that reached delete consensus is at Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 20 UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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Redirects without mention to Gallatin County, Montana
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep Sappington, Montana and Trident, Montana, delete the rest  . The keep on those two is might as well be on the No Consensus side of things, but all the delete !votes specifically call out "not mentioned" and, as  points out, those two are indeed now (trivially) mentioned.  I'll be focusing them to the specific section. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 16:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Anceney, Montana">Anceney, Montana → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anceney,_Montana&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Arrow Lake (Montana)">Arrow Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arrow_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Buffalo Horn Pass → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buffalo_Horn_Pass&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Cascade Lakes (Montana)">Cascade Lakes (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cascade_Lakes_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Crescent Lake (Montana)">Crescent Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crescent_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Crystal Lake (Montana)">Crystal Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crystal_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Deer Lake (Montana)">Deer Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deer_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Flathead Pass → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flathead_Pass&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Gallatin Valley Railway → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gallatin_Valley_Railway&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana)">Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Johnson_Lake_(Gallatin_County,_Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Lake of the Pines (Montana)">Lake of the Pines (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lake_of_the_Pines_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Lava Lake (Montana)">Lava Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lava_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Marble Lake → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marble_Lake&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Meadow Lake (Montana)">Meadow Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meadow_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Moon Lake (Montana)">Moon Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moon_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Park Lake (Montana)">Park Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Park_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pine Lake (Montana)">Pine Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pine_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Rose Lake (Montana)">Rose Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rose_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Sappington, Montana">Sappington, Montana → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sappington,_Montana&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Trident, Montana">Trident, Montana → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trident,_Montana&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Turquoise Lake (Montana)">Turquoise Lake (Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turquoise_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana)">Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twin_Lakes_(Gallatin_County,_Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana)">Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana) → Gallatin County, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windy_Pass_(Gallatin_County,_Montana)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

None of these places are mentioned at the target article. Most, if not all, of these should be presumed notable and should be deleted per WP:REDLINK to encourage creation of proper articles on these places. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom and WP:REDLINK. Catrìona (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete all per above. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Someone just added a lot of information at Gallatin County, Montana, which substantially overlaps with this list, so the original rationale ("None of these places are mentioned at the target article") is invalid. WhatamIdoing (talk) 11:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think any reasonable person would call 2 out of 23 a "substantial overlap". My rationale hinges on WP:REDLINK: these places should have their own articles instead of being redirected to a place that doesn't leave the searcher with much, if any, information on this place. A redlink, on the other hand, shows a reader that an article on the term is wanted. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * How sure are you that all of these should have their own articles? Keep in mind that nearly every community in the US was bot-created with US census data, so if these don't exist, when we definitely know that we don't have population data or other typical sources.  "Turquoise Lake", for example, appears to be one of six fishing spots along a hiking trail.  I doubt that a separate article on that lake is warranted, much less actively wanted.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:GEOLAND. If not an article, there should be some kind of information on these places. If, for example, the hiking trail you mention had an article, describing the lakes along this trail would be satisfactory and a redirect there would be fine. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Sappington, Montana and Trident, Montana as now mentioned ("Weak keep" per WP:REDLINK.) Delete the rest since they are still not mentioned. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Redirects are useless if their target does not mention them. Ajf773 (talk) 19:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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Retail politics
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 10%23Retail politics

Cashina Krabs
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 7%23Cashina Krabs

List of nontheists
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. After two relistings failed to bring any new opinions, I think it's safe to say that everyone who cares has opined and that there is no consensus among them.  Thryduulf (talk) 00:04, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * List of nontheists → Lists of atheists (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Lists of nontheists → Lists of atheists (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_nontheists&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (activists and educators)">List of nontheists (activists and educators) → List of atheist activists and educators (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(activists_and_educators)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (authors)">List of nontheists (authors) → List of atheist authors (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(authors)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)">List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) → List of atheists in film, radio, television and theater (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(film,_radio,_television_and_theater)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (miscellaneous)">List of nontheists (miscellaneous) → List of atheists (miscellaneous) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(miscellaneous)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (music)">List of nontheists (music) → List of atheists in music (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(music)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (philosophy)">List of nontheists (philosophy) → List of atheist philosophers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(philosophy)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (politics and law)">List of nontheists (politics and law) → List of atheists in politics and law (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(politics_and_law)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (science and technology)">List of nontheists (science and technology) → List of atheists in science and technology (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(science_and_technology)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames A to B)">List of nontheists (surnames A to B) → List of atheists (surnames A to B) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_A_to_B)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames C to D)">List of nontheists (surnames C to D) → List of atheists (surnames C to D) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_C_to_D)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames E to G)">List of nontheists (surnames E to G) → List of atheists (surnames E to G) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_E_to_G)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames H to K)">List of nontheists (surnames H to K) → List of atheists (surnames H to K) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_H_to_K)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames L to M)">List of nontheists (surnames L to M) → List of atheists (surnames L to M) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_L_to_M)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames N to Q)">List of nontheists (surnames N to Q) → List of atheists (surnames N to Q) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_N_to_Q)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames R to S)">List of nontheists (surnames R to S) → List of atheists (surnames R to S) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_R_to_S)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of nontheists (surnames T to Z)">List of nontheists (surnames T to Z) → List of atheists (surnames T to Z) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_T_to_Z)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nontheism is not exclusive to Atheism, meaning that the scope as defined by these redirects is broader than the scope of their target articles. Steel1943 (talk) 17:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all. I appreciate the logic of the nomination rationale, but readers looking for these lists may start by looking for the redirect name, which is in effect a redirect from an alternative name, even if that goes against the actual definition of nontheism. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...Considering that Atheism and Nontheism are two separate articles, these redirects also have an WP:XY issue unless the scope of the target pages are updated. That, and per the definition we have for Nontheism, not all nontheists are atheists, which leaves all of these redirects telling our readers the opposite (all nontheists are atheists), which is wrong. Steel1943  (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't feel very strongly about the other related redirect discussions on this page, but here I think there is really a serious argument against deletion. It's fine to say that nontheism is not atheism, which is true, but saying it does not make all notable persons obey what Wikipedia tells them to do. There are notable persons who self-describe in all manner of idiosyncratic ways, and our policies regarding fidelity to source material should take precedence over redirection guidelines. It's not like page subjects obediently segregate themselves according to our definitions, and we have to go by what the sources about those persons say. I don't feel too strongly about the other nominations, about "atheists, agnostics, and nontheists", because those lengthy redirect titles are not all that useful as search terms. But it's entirely realistic to expect some readers to come to Wikipedia, and search using the term "nontheism" or "nontheist", and it's better to redirect them to the atheism pages than to present them with an empty search result. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Your comment sounds more like rationale to nominate Nontheism or Atheism for WP:AFD (not really sure which one), but then the result being to either merge or redirect the nominated page to the other. The reason I say that is that if the lines of distinguishing the subjects really are that blurry, they should be at/in the same article. However, at the present time, they are not, which leaves these redirects in a state that is similar to redirecting Number to 10 (an example of a higher-level topic redirecting to a lower-level topic, which is not the case in this hypothetical scenario and doesn’t happen that often in practice since the redirect in this hypothetical case would essentially be eligible for deletion per WP:REDLINK since there would be huge potential for an article to cover the subject “Number”.) Steel1943  (talk) 02:34, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No matter what it sounds like, I guess I'm coming from a place of wanting to make things accessible to our readers, as opposed to following a rigid set of "rules". I think some of the ideas below about disambiguation and lists of lists sound very promising, although I don't think they can be decided entirely here. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:04, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I share a similar goal of wanting to ensure that our readers are able to locate what they are looking for when they request it. Quite frankly, it’s been my primary goal during the almost half-a-decade I’ve been actively editing. It's just in this case (as it stands), it’s somewhat misleading and could confuse some due to the target not containing all the information that the redirects are basically telling they will find when they look up these terms. (IMO regarding the "rule" comment: In most cases, I’ve found that "guidelines" [and sometimes "essays"] are created based on what the community has found to be consensus on a regular basis, but again, that’s just my opinion since I’ve also found sometimes that a guideline or essay doesn’t apply to all cases, and then I WP:IAR for the better of our readers if I believe that my action will have next-to-no chance of being challenged.) But yes, the list idea below is something I think will help readers find what they are looking for since it will give them options of what they are intending to locate when they look up the ambiguous terms (but specifically only the first two redirects in this nomination.) Steel1943  (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is covered in multiple places. List of agnostics would be another valid list of nonthesists. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:11, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Convert Lists of nontheists into a list of lists, retarget List of nontheists there, and delete the rest. I knew this wasn't a candidate for disambiugating, but a list of lists is feasible, especially considering there are more lists than I had envisioned. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:10, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate between Lists of atheists, List of agnostics, List of secular humanists, and List of converts to nontheism. feminist (talk) 08:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...Maybe convert Lists of nontheists into a “list of lists” page as referenced above, and retarget List of nontheists there? (But, delete the rest since the page would not have precise sections as named by the other redirects?) ( Reading your comment below, any thoughts on this?) Steel1943  (talk) 16:58, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No opinion; I just don't want to have entirely unambiguous titles replaced with disambiguation pages. Nyttend (talk) 19:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Partly disagree with Feminist. What would you possibly disambiguate with List of nontheists (surnames L to M), for example?  Maybe list of nontheists would be disambiguateable, but some of the others have to be kept or deleted.  Nyttend backup (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * These can either be deleted or kept. feminist (talk) 03:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. After two reslistings have brought no new opinions to the table, I don't see another round as likely to bring any either unfortunately.  Thryduulf (talk) 00:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists → Lists of atheists (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology) → List of atheists in science and technology (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(science_and_technology)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors) → List of atheist authors (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(authors)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators) → List of atheist activists and educators (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(activists_and_educators)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) → List of atheists in film, radio, television and theater (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(film,_radio,_television_and_theater)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous) → List of atheists (miscellaneous) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(miscellaneous)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music) → List of atheists in music (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(music)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy) → List of atheist philosophers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(philosophy)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law) → List of atheists in politics and law (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(politics_and_law)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B) → List of atheists (surnames A to B) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_A_to_B)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D) → List of atheists (surnames C to D) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_C_to_D)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G) → List of atheists (surnames E to G) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_E_to_G)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K) → List of atheists (surnames H to K) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_H_to_K)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M) → List of atheists (surnames L to M) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_L_to_M)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q) → List of atheists (surnames N to Q) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_N_to_Q)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S) → List of atheists (surnames R to S) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_R_to_S)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z)">List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z) → List of atheists (surnames T to Z) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_T_to_Z)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Considering that agnostics and nontheists are not part of the target lists/subjects (the target lists are exclusive to atheists), these redirects are misleading in the spirit of WP:XY. In addition, the scope of the redirects is much broader than the scope of their target pages. Steel1943 (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep all. Unless we are going to create separate lists for the agnostics and nontheists, readers looking for these topics need to be able to find the most relevant list. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ...Considering that all nontheists are not atheists and agnostics are not atheists, these lists aren’t relevant to the redirects at all. In fact, since there are no agnostics on the targets lists, these redirects lead to a WP:SURPRISE and mislead our readers into thinking the lists contain these three subjects, which they do not. Steel1943  (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I do acknowledge that any reader searching for "atheists, agnostics, and...." will get "atheists" showing up in the search box first, so that makes these redirects somewhat less than useful to readers. I don't feel strongly here. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, although I realize it was some time ago and consensus can change, there was extensive discussion at Talk:Lists of atheists and Talk:List of atheist philosophers/Archive 1. One of the problems one encounters in the topic area is that some persons listed describe themselves in ways that span more than one of these groups. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:XY. These are different topics and treated differently since List of agnostics exists. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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Henan dialect
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . (non-admin closure)  CoolSkittle  (talk) 16:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Henan dialect → Central Plains Mandarin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henan_dialect&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

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 * Comment For anyone who overlooks the ruby characters or can't easily read them: the inscription says Wrong redirection. Please refer to Henan dialect on Chinese Wikipedia.  The Central Plains Mandarin is a Chinese dialect widely distributed in north central China, not unique to Henan, and Henan also distributes some non-Central Plains Mandarin Chinese dialects such as Jin Chinese.  Nyttend (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * 简而言之，河南话和中原官话并非同一个概念，尽管他们有重叠. 我认为，河南话应该介绍的是河南境内的汉语方言，而不是重定向到中原官话. 这个页面上的河北话同理. Ngguls (talk) 05:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Translation of above comment: In simple terms, Henan dialect and Central Plains Mandarin are not the same concept, although they overlap. I think that what Henan dialect should discuss is Chinese dialects in Henan, rather than redirecting to Central Plains Mandarin. The same applies to Hebei dialect on this page. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Inaccurate scope. feminist (talk) 04:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Despite the nominator's statement, zh:河南話 shows that "Henan dialect" (a reasonably direct translation of "河南話") refers to a geographically defined dialect subgroup of Central Plains Mandarin. The fact that some areas of Henan speak Jin Chinese rather than Central Plains Mandarin does not stop the Central Plains dialect from being primary topic. Deryck C. 11:14, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Wheelbench
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Wheelbench → Wheelchair (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wheelbench&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No subject in any article regarding this redirect title. Not notable and therefor should be deleted. The redirect was originally its own article and there was discussion to merge it with wheelchair. Since that time, the information and subsection of the wheelchair article has been removed due to lack of notability. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. This redirect's history is part of the history of the wheelchair article; for legal reasons, this must not be deleted.  Moving it to some random title, e.g. Talk:Wheelchair/Wheelbench, can be appropriate, although of course that shouldn't be done unless there's consensus that wheelbench is an inappropriate redirect.  Nyttend (talk) 04:20, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * How about moving the history to Wheelchair (chair)? Sure, it’s redundant, but it’s not inaccurate. Steel1943  (talk) 08:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I would be opposed to that becuase the history would no longer relate to the title. The history of the redirect is about wheelbenches, not wheelchairs. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:29, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I just did some digging and I agree with the "delete" side at Articles for deletion/Wheelbench. The sourcing is simply not there to add anything verifiable to Wheelchair. A merge was quickly undone; with no content from the merge remaining at the target, this can be safely deleted without violating WP:MAD. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete per Tavix’s findings. Steel1943  (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 18:53, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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Buraq Express
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Buraq Express → Pakistan Railways (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buraq_Express&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Bahawalpur Express → Pakistan Railways (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bahawalpur_Express&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the article. Like other entries in Template:Named passenger trains of Pakistan, a redlink would be better than a redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 12:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:21, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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Polystar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 7%23Polystar

El Tigre (comics)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 7%23El Tigre (comics)

Frank Adonis
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . <b style="font-family:Papyrus"> Anarchyte  ( talk  &#124;  work ) </b> 10:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Frank Adonis → Joe Adonis (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frank_Adonis&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no evidence that Frank and Joe Adonis were related. WWGB (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as misleading per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 03:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete redirect. There is no evidence of connection between the two. One was a gangster/convicted criminal. The other was an actor. Both deserve Wikipedia articles in their own right. Rangasyd (talk) 07:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've seen some sketchy evidence to support the theory they were related, but even then per WP:REDLINK I couldn't really support this redirect. Nohomersryan (talk) 09:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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