Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 11

January 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 11, 2018.

Fame (movie, TV series, and theme song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 23:10, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Fame (movie, TV series, and theme song) → Fame (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fame_(movie,_TV_series,_and_theme_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Besides the fact that the disambiguator in the title is too long to be a plausible search term, the redirect is also misleading since there is no topic/article in the target disambiguation page that is all three of these: movie, TV series, and theme song. Steel1943 (talk) 21:19, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete although there may be interest in creating the redirect Fame (franchise) to point to the Fame (1980 film) section.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:05, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ LaundryPizza03 (talk) 22:49, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Celestial bureaucracy
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus , although adding the phrase to the article would help "solidify" these redirects.  or , any ideas of how to add it? -- Tavix  ( talk ) 02:52, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Celestial bureaucracy → Chinese theology (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celestial_bureaucracy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Celestial Bureaucracy → Chinese theology (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celestial_Bureaucracy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The word "bureaucracy" does not appear in the target article. Previously looked like but was "merged" in 2014. I use scare quotes because most of this content does not currently appear at the target article and so I am not certain whether the term "merge" is accurate.  N Y  Kevin   05:31, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment added Celestial Bureaucracy to this nomination. Not sure whether the best course of action here is to add some sourced content to the target, or WP:REDLINK deletion to promote article creation. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:11, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete or keep as redirect. The article "celestial bureaucracy" had no sources and all versions in other languages were copies of the English one.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 05:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This looks like no consensus, but let's see if one more relist helps.
 * Comment - The metaphor of referring to Chinese traditional deities as a "celestial bureaucracy" appears to be used by a variety of reliable sources (here's one example), and perhaps a few sentences should be added in the related article? The redirects seem approriate enough. The only problem that I see is that the target needs to be expanded. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and add content and sources showing use of this phrase to the target article. bd2412  T 16:01, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Highway hierarchies
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Highway systems by country. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:40, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Highway hierarchies → Contraction hierarchies (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Highway_hierarchies&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect should be deleted. Contraction hierarchies are a part of some routing algorithms, often on road networks. "Highway hierarchy" however refers to something more general and intuitively understood, i.e. that some roads are larger, more important than others. Nate Wessel (talk) 20:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak retarget to Highway systems by country. That at least attempts to explain what kind of highway systems there are.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:09, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per AngusWOOF, a very sensible suggestion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I also support a retarget change over to the 'by country' page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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LA Noire 2
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 23:10, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * LA Noire 2 → L.A. Noire (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LA_Noire_2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * L.A. Noire 2 → L.A. Noire (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L.A._Noire_2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There never was a game under this name; what eventually became of the spiritual sequel was Whore of the Orient. However, since the name is completely unofficial, it should be better deleted. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 18:58, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Target currently is at the Possible sequel section of the article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Uh, well I was using Twinkle to list it, not sure why Twinkle didn't recognise that. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 22:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no such game, and no evidence there will be.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete unlikely search term now that the idea of a sequel has been abandoned. Pichpich (talk) 19:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as failed crystal. No secondary sources presented that use "2" as the name, but that can be checked.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:CRYSTALBALL. TheDeviantPro (talk) 04:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment the target article has a L.A. Noire section, so can support such a redirect -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 03:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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Stefan Bekowsky
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of L.A. Noire characters. --BDD (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Stefan Bekowsky → L.A. Noire (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stefan_Bekowsky&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Appears to be the only of its kind for L.A. Noire; since there is no detailed character description anywhere, and he is just a side character, this is a cruft-y (WP:GAMECRUFT) redirect. Lordtobi ( &#9993; ) 18:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to List_of_L.A._Noire_characters which has the detailed description. Whether that characters list is cruft is a different story. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to entry in character list per AngusWOOF. Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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Founder of
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 23:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Founder of → List of people considered father or mother of a field (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Founder_of&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure, but probably retarget to the disambiguation page, Founder. In my long experience disambiguating links to "Founder", a founder of something is more likely to refer to a business or organization. bd2412 T 17:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete to allow Wikipedia's search function to help readers locate what they are looking for instead of forwarding them to a disambiguation page which may not include what they are trying to find. Steel1943  (talk) 21:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I am also fine with this as a solution. We don't have redirects for comparable things like CEO of, Professor of, or Inventor of. bd2412  T 16:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It's difficult to figure out what founder the person is looking for.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Steel1943. This is something software will almost always be better at. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Allow (song)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 28%23Allow (song)

Characters of Final Fantasy V
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Final Fantasy V. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 13:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Characters of Final Fantasy V → Final Fantasy V (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_V&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Article was cruft and redirect contains no relevance to the article. Should be deleted. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:57, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's possible that this article could someday return in proper, sourced form a la other articles in Category:Lists of Final Fantasy characters.  In general there's no need and no gain from burying the revision history.  SnowFire (talk) 06:07, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Per WP:TNT there could be a gain from deleting it and allowing it to be recreated in properly sourced fashion.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to take a shot at resurrecting the article and the old article exists in the history, they're still free to ignore the history if they want; keeping the history allows them to pull as much or as little as required. More generally, I'm not a fan of burying history unless the article is blatantly unsalvageable - say, the List of FF4 locations redirect you nominated.  If nothing else, there's no harm in having the history of what happened there for people poking around at what Wikipedia looked like in 2010 or whatever trying to find an article that existed than and existed happily for many years under the old standards of inclusion.  SnowFire (talk) 07:34, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: This redirect is a R with history. Steel1943  (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Restore as an article and send to WP:AFD. Regardless of what recently happened at Articles for deletion/Characters of Final Fantasy V, I still believe that is the best option. Steel1943  (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Final Fantasy V per Tavix. Steel1943  (talk) 15:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that is pretty clear consensus that if its merits are discussed it should be in RfD, given that it has remained a redirect so long.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Refine to Final Fantasy V where someone can read about the Characters of Final Fantasy V. We aren't discussing the "cruft" article, we are discussing a redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - There should be the ability to clear the article up as a good article. it's clear from many RPG games that a stand alone article for the characters is viable if done correctly (List of Persona 5 Characters, Characters of Final Fantasy VI, Characters of Final Fantasy X and X-2). Deleting the article and history would make it harder for an actual article to surface.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and refine per Tavix. Entirely plausible search term with a fitting section. --BDD (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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Thathal
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 23%23Thathal

What I Want (Bebe Rexha song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * What I Want (Bebe Rexha song) → All Your Fault: Pt. 2 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=What_I_Want_(Bebe_Rexha_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such song, checked discography and main article. Apparently the EP where it presently redirects was going to be called "What I Want" Richhoncho (talk) 00:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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