Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 12

January 12
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 12, 2018.

Vaas Montenegro
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Killiondude (talk) 07:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Vaas Montenegro → Far Cry 3 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaas_Montenegro&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per WP:REDLINK this could stand to be deleted to encourage a page to be created here. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I agree that this should be an article, so support.★Trekker (talk) 22:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think this needs to stay at RFD then but should be discussed at Far Cry 3 on whether there's enough notability to spin out a character article. Unless you want us to determine that? Otherwise, there's enough to Keep. A deletion is not required to start a character article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see scope for a notable article at this time. If someone wants to create one, they can simply overwrite the redirect. In the meantime, this redirects to the proper place where someone can learn about the character. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * keep spinning out an article does not require deleting the redirect. And I don't think in the general case, that video game characters need separate articles. You could just create a List of Far Cry characters and list all of them there, just like any other video game series. There are few video game characters that don't end up being merged back into their main articles or character lists, so I don't think this character will survive as a separate article. -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:09, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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X-Ray Scope
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to X-ray optics. Killiondude (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * X-Ray Scope → Metroid (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=X-Ray_Scope&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Far too vague to redirect to Metroid. Should be deleted and let the search function do its job. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, too vague of a term to redirect to a specific series. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 10:58, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to X-ray optics which discuss both X-ray microscope and X-ray telescope AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I also support a retarget change over to 'X-ray optics' since that article discusses a number of different devices in context. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to X-ray optics. There being many real world X-ray scopes, like a fluoroscope or X-ray telescope etc -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Metroid creatures
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . on deletion. Retargeting to Characters in the Metroid series (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:53, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Metroid creatures → Metroid (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metroid_creatures&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Creatures in the Metroid Prime Series → Metroid (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creatures_in_the_Metroid_Prime_Series&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Creatures in Metroid Prime → Metroid (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creatures_in_Metroid_Prime&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article does not really mention creatures. Pointless redirect - delete. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:39, 5 January 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:GAMEGUIDE AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Characters in the Metroid series where one can find this information. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:13, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Characters are typically not referred to as "creatures" though... that is generally reserved for minor enemies.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:21, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Searching for "creature" within Characters in the Metroid series yields 20 results; that's not insignificant to me. Several "characters" listed are characterized as "creatures", including Ing Horde, Nightmare, Gorea, the Etecoons and Dachora. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to the characters page, where several creature types are described. -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nominator's response to here. Also, see Articles for deletion/Creatures in the Metroid Prime series for related discussion.  Steel1943  (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Stephen Hawking Space
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Stephen Hawking Space → Stephen Hawking (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Hawking_Space&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was created as a stub about Hawking's trip on a zero-gravity plane. His main article touches on that, as well as his proposed trip to space proper. But this doesn't strike me as a likely search term for either. I recommend deleting as an unlikely search term or retargeting to Gibbons–Hawking space—while Gibbons' name comes first, it's plausible to me that someone would only recall Hawking's while searching for this concept. BDD (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Confusing, and descriptively incorrect -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: what they said, also if I search for articles containing "hawking space", the first suggestion is Gibbons–Hawking space so there is no need for any extra search help. --Mirokado (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Toss in a black hole per nom. I don't think this is a very likely search term for Gibbons-Hawking space, and if it is then the search engine already takes care of it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Yes, he wants to go to space, but there isn't an organization named as such to warrant this kind of search phrase. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:34, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Game of Bones
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Angel Studios
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Killiondude (talk) 07:52, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Angel Studios → Rockstar San Diego (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angel_Studios&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This article was a redirect to Rockstar San Diego; however numerous articles such as 21 (Adele album) refer to "Angel Studios" meaning the Angel Recording Studios complex in London, so I changed it to a disambig. This was reverted with the rationale "Many pages link here" by, to which my immediate response has to be "so what?" The studios have been around for nearly 40 years and IMHO have a far greater claim to being the primary topic. (The article is new and not very well sourced, but the coverage is out there). I think leaving this as-is is incorrect and caused by our systemic bias. Your thoughts, please. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as WP:TWODABS tells us not to use disambiguation pages for ones that would have a low number of entries (in this case, two, of which one is/was never named "Angel Studios", just similarly). As Rockstar San Diego is clearly the more notable topic, and the hatnote is already in place, having "Angel Studios" redirect there is perfectly fine. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 16:42, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not strictly true, because of the common name guidelines - both 21 and Power Windows (album) have "Angel Studios" in the infobox (link now added), as does Scandinavian Nights, Eyes Open (album), Mike Connaris, Six Celan Songs • The Ballad of Kastriot Rexhepi, The Day's War, William Goodchild .... well, you get the idea. I suspect if I dug through all the articles linking to that term, I'd find more albums. I wonder how many have accidentally linked to the gaming company, and then been reverted? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * COMMONNAME says "Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) [...]", how users input the name in infoboxes cannot be called "reliable sources" (Wikipedia is actually considered unreliable by Wikipedia). Of the web-based sources in the article, only two actually mention the name, one, "M Magazine", says Angel Recording Studios, while the other, "De Wolfe Music", says Angel Studios. I'm not sure if M Magazine is a reliable source, though I doubt it, while De Wolfe Music clearly is not, it is a primary source of the studio owners.
 * If the name is spelled out incorrectly in some infoboxes, they should be corrected. Actually, if you dig through these pages' histories, you will find that I incorrectly renamed them, thinking exactly what you thought above—"Angel Studios" being the proper name—but I was wrong and turned the filter off later on; and I must apologize for not having backtracked and un-corrected these pages in the first place. Also adding here that the studio is incorporated as Angel Recording Studios Limited. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 17:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I see where you're coming from on this now. I'll leave this discussion open for a bit to see if anyone wants to put their 2c in; if not I don't mind quietly closing it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have added the Angel Recording Studios link to some 100+ pages, which should, AFAICS, be all of them. And although this sounds like a lot (let this also be note for future contriubutors to this discussion), WP:INHERIT says that topics are not notable just becuse they have notable related topics.
 * P.S. I have also undone your disambiguation on Imaginaria, as the link/redirect to Rockstar San Diego was correct (since Angel Studios used to be an animation production company until the late 90s, and did produce the short named in the article). Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 18:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was a mistake and should have been reverted. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

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I Suck
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Here Comes the Fuzz. Killiondude (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I Suck → Self-esteem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_Suck&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Here Comes the Fuzz, which has a song by this title. Someone saying "I suck" is exhibiting low self-esteem, but that's far too tenuous a connection to justify the redirect. This is the sort of thing I'd usually be WP:BOLD about, but the redirect history shows a lot of back and forth. BDD (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. — PinkAmpers  &#38;  <sup style="color:#000">( Je vous invite à me parler )  18:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Amor propio
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Amor propio → Self-esteem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amor_propio&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:FORRED once removed. Wiktionary says this is Spanish for self-love, but lacking a firm connection between a Spanish-speaking culture and self-love or -esteem, this isn't a suitable redirect. BDD (talk) 20:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Topic is not a primarily Spanish one -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Defunct
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Process context identifiers
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . as retargeted during the course of discussion. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:16, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Process context identifiers → CPUID (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Process_context_identifiers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A wrong/confusing/useless redirect. PCID and CPUID are completely different things. The CPUID article just mentions the PCID-support flag in the table of CPUID features, which does not help anything (the redirect is even not to that specific table, but to the whole article). As is, this redirect should be deleted (apparently, there is no better target). Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 04:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Process context identifiers correctly redirects to a mention of the feature in the CPUID article (section CPUID). This is quite normal as a list entry, and a redirect to a section where it's mentioned. Both those are now true. The redirect is in use in two articles and a dab page. Widefox ; talk 18:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ping User:Mikhail Ryazanov. Widefox ; talk 18:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Completely agree. A good discussion of PCID can be found here it is completely different to CPUID. With the current storm around Meltdown a lot more people will be looking for this, so it's worth having a semi-reasonable entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.69.116.105 (talk) 09:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Fully agreed with above two assessments. Nothing to add. Akostadi (talk) 10:46, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep, Useful. Create the article. It can guide to what little we have until then, but I doubt it's notable as a topic per se. It's correctly marked as a redirect to a list, which CPUID does list this, and I don't know a better target. FYI, this topic has been in the dab PCID as a WP:DABMENTION for months, but now the dab is improved by using the redirect there, so it's also useful at the dab. The fact that nobody has yet created an article on it, doesn't mean it's not useful. The assessment above indicates there will be reader demand, which is why I held off creating the redirect and used the dab until now, but the article Kernel page-table isolation used the term without the acronym so the redirect that was not created but listed on the dab, was needed and useful now (I'd refrained from creating months ago). It's not misleading, just not very useful. I believe we don't delete useful redirects. Widefox ; talk 13:11, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to section . Widefox ; talk 13:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This does not help at all. It is even harmful, since the reader will have to go through that rather long section just to find out that there is basically no additional information (the existence of this feature was kind of obvious from its mentioning). If you want to do something helpful, create a stub section in Translation lookaside buffer (or wherever it is appropriate) with one sentence and a reference to some external source. Or at least switch the redirect to Control_register and mention there that PCID is the lowest 12 bits of CR3. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 22:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Mikhail Ryazanov see WP:RGUIDE good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at a "Search results 1–10 out of 378" result instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect. yes. I can't see how this nom is any of WP:RFD.
 * The lack of additional information or frustration of the lack of an article, or proposing a "stub section" whatever that is, is offtopic here at WP:RfD, more WP:AfC . Widefox ; talk 22:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Widefox, CPUID is surely not "the article they were looking for". User:Widefox, the PCID page has essentially the same information as CPUID and is much shorter. User:Widefox, see WP:RGUIDE: In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader. User:Widefox, as I explained above, this redirect in its current state is actually harmful to the reader.
 * Ping User:Widefox. (User:Widefox, by the way, there is absolutely no need to ping me or mention me every time when you reply to my own words.) — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 23:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * CPUID mentions the topic, and per WP:DABMENTION it is valid at the dab. Not only do I disagree with you, I don't think the nom to delete is in line with guideline as this applies:
 * WP:RFD 3, 5, 7 apply 5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. The pageviews tool can also provide evidence of outside utility. yes in 2 articles + yes a valid DABMENTION of the acro (which may as well be defined) + yes pageviews is at 4000 views per day 7. The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, ... I think we all agree that's plausibly but unlikely, but a redirect to a section (yet to be written) is most likely 3. They aid searches on certain terms.... It doesn't help readers to try to delete a redirect that thousands of readers are using, when it targets the best place we have. (don't understand what you mean about PCID, but please ping me once if there's something guideline based to say, no times if not.). This RfD just hinders thousands of readers per day currently, forcing them an extra click and should be SNOW closed.  Widefox ; talk 02:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So far it seems that only you find it useful. I suppose, if wmflabs had a WTFmeter in the pageviews, it would probably read very high, as those thousands of people are indeed interested (due to the recent events) what PCID is, but find a completely misleading stuff there.
 * Now, when I looked closer at what you wrote in PCID, I am sure that you misunderstood what Intel's PCID is (it is not "a CPUID feature bit" and not in "the x86 architecture"). I have corrected that disambiguation page and added short descriptions to Translation_lookaside_buffer (creating a redirect Process-context identifier to that section) and Control register. All these can be improved/extended, but at least they make much more sense.
 * This redirect (Process context identifiers) probably can be retained as "a frequent misspelling" (although I have corrected all the article links), but should be retargeted to where Process-context identifier points. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 20:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Retargeted to Translation lookaside buffer. Good work, much better target now. I suggest you take up your spelling feedback with the actual editors of CPUID (clue - not me), but actually check the source they used beforehand - the spelling they used was correct "Process Context Identifiers, PCID" . Further, if you read WP:DABACRO then we just mirror what the articles say, in the article where the acro is defined (that's me, done correctly). What I personally understand is irrelevant, but if you look at my edits you will see, but the timing of when I created the dab to assist readers for the acronym it was when PCID support was added to the Linux kernel. Widefox ; talk 23:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As for assisting readers and WTF, what part of forcing 20K readers a day to click twice instead of once due to the RfD tag helps them Mikhail Ryazanov? This could have been retargeted seamlessly without any of the above, but not until the content was written. Widefox ; talk 00:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think, we can close this as it is now. It might eventually move around, since (finally!) other people have started improving the bare minimum that I've wrote, but in the current state it is at least workable. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 10:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, pls close. Next time think twice about conflating redirects with article content issues for highly visible redirects Mikhail. This was always a SNOW close, so the quicker the better for readers. Widefox ; talk 19:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep, per above. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 06:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note that it has been retargeted 3 times since nominaton, so your "keep" actually means returning it to the original state (→ CPUID). Do you really want that? — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 23:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this was unclear. What I meant to keep was the status of the link at the time of my vote: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Process_context_identifiers&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=819464391&oldid=818840451
 * This reflects the consensus reached by the participants except for that the link target now uses an embedded anchor rather than a section header for easier future maintenance (best practise).
 * --Matthiaspaul (talk) 00:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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Elimar
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 * The result of the discussion was indexify/listify/anthropo morph nymise/you-name-it.  (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 13:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Elimar → Elimar I, Count of Oldenburg (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elimar&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There a lot of people, named Elimar. Redirecting it to Count of Oldenburg creates confusion. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I've never heard of any other people named Elimar, so I figured a redirect would be better than nothing. I'm sure a disambiguation page would be fine, too. – Greg Pandatshang (talk) 18:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Indexify WP:ANTHROPONYMY set-index for current target, Elimar II, Count of Oldenburg, Duke Elimar of Oldenburg, and Elimar Klebs. Redirects are often worse than nothing. when they interfere with finding other topics by the same name (whether or not they have articles - and here there's at least three others which do). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Listify as a dab or SIA -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Anthroponymize per 59.149, assuming none of the Elimars are WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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ポケモン,
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="ポケモン,">ポケモン, → Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3,&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems pointless due to the comma. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Probably created in error (e.g. accidentally selected a comma after the Japanese name in the article when copy-pasting it to create the redirect). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Implausible. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Pokémon Characteristics
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="Pokémon Characteristics">Pokémon Characteristics → Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Characteristics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pokemon Characteristics → Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pokemon_Characteristics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems implausible and has little relevance to the target page. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Doesn't seem to be the name of a video game title or book. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete both - "Characteristics" is a rather vague term and can refer to quite a number of things about any fictional (or real, for that matter) animal from average height to standard lifespan to normal weight and so on. We should just get rid of these. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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Pokemon drawing
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Pokémon Art Academy. Killiondude (talk) 07:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Pokemon drawing → Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pokemon_drawing&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target page does not mention drawing anywhere. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Pokémon Art Academy as possible candidate for drawing software or games involving Pokemon. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Pokémon Art Academy per AngusWOOF. ToThAc (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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بوكيمون
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="بوكيمون">بوكيمون → Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%88%D9%86&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:FORRED. Not from the original language of the page's subject. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - not especially Arabic. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete game originated in Japan, not an Arabic speaking region. -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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Italian sex
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Italian sex → Mammary intercourse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Italian_sex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Spanish sex → Mammary intercourse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_sex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Stumbled across these while trying to find a target for below. Neither slang name is mentioned at mammary intercourse, and I can't find good sources confirming they're correct in order to mention them there. (The ever-reliable Urban Dictionary supports this definition of "Spanish sex", but defines "Italian sex" defines it in terms closer to intercrural sex. Neither that article nor the general non-penetrative sex article mention "Italian" or "Spanish" either.) 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nominator's findings. Apart from being confusing/misleading since we have no actual descriptions of either act and they may refer to other things, these feel vaguely racist. Wikipedia is not censored but is also not offensive for no reason. Curious that Spanish sex has a reasonable level of pageview activity. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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Sexuality in Italy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 18:21, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Sexuality in Italy → Sexuality in ancient Rome (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sexuality_in_Italy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete or Disambiguate The current redirect makes no sense. Ancient Rome extended all the way around the Mediterranean, and modern Italy is unrelated to this topic article. -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. There's a category, but no good overview article, only subtopics. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Ancient rome is nothing to do with italy. Not sure about an article but useless/misleading as a redirect. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I think that the redirect is misleading & useless. This would be better as a redlink. Peaceray (talk) 07:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK plus what everyone else has said. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK. From the moment regions is known as Italy, it's not related to Ancient Rome. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 18:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . On deletion; retargeting to "Duke of Sussex" per support for that (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex">Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex → Prince Harry (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prince_Harry,_Duke_of_Sussex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per WP:CRYSTAL. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 18:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete pernom. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Duke of Sussex for now. A footnote in Wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle explains that it's customary for British princes to be granted titles when they marry (c.f. William, Duke of Cambridge) and it has been speculated that Harry will be titled Duke of Sussex. However, this same speculation was noted for both Prince Edward and Prince William before their weddings but they were both granted other titles. This is explained best in the article on the title (see the section "Speculation about second creation"). Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSandDoctor (talk) 00:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per . It's a plausible search term, so there should be a redirect—just not at the current target. — PinkAmpers  &#38;  <sup style="color:#000">( Je vous invite à me parler )  18:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. It can be recreated when he receives a title on his wedding day. <b style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC"> CookieMonster755 ✉ </b> 00:08, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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