Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 14

July 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 14, 2018.

Invest 99-L (August 2016)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Invest 99-L (August 2016) → Hurricane Hermine (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Invest_99-L_(August_2016)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seldom use the invest number of the storm in the article, an unusable redirect B dash (talk) 08:10, 7 July 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. This is unambiguous and does get uses (thus demonstrably usable) so seems a perfectly fine redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The term is not mentioned at the target, making the connection unclear and possibly confusing. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete per Tavix. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 17:17, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hitler Youth knife
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Glossary of German military terms (new anchor). --BDD (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hitler Youth knife → Hitler Youth (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hitler_Youth_knife&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Please delete as there is no sufficient relevance given with regard to the lacking information on the redirect term within the current target article. Neufund (talk) 18:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Restore the article or delete?
 * Restore the article. Yes it was unreferenced but there are legit references in the de.wiki article that can be used such as this one from the Deutsches Historisches Museum. Pichpich (talk) 20:41, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: not a useful redirect & nn subject. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Restore article without prejudice to AfD. The redirection was done as a BOLD action without discussion and so the notability of the content has never been discussed. In these circumstances RfD is not the correct venue as it is not set up to discuss the appropriateness or otherwise of article content. 12:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per K.e.coffman. After checking, it seems that there is not enough significant coverage in reliable secondary sources to meet GNG. I don't really see the point of a redirect either. Catrìona (talk) 13:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Glossary of German military terms which lists "HJ-Fahrtenmesser — common dagger specially designed for the Hitler Jugend [Hitler Youth]" and add the English translation. The same should be done with the decapitalized Hitler youth knife. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 03:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Would any of you find a retarget as I suggest above agreeable instead of deletion? — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 17:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking! Yes, I would be fine with that. Greetings--Neufund (talk) 18:44, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I also agree with the above retarget change. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:26, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Godsy (ideally using anchor to point to the relevant item and perhaps citing the source identified by Pichpich). – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Koven (DJ)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 20:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Koven (DJ) → Monstercat Uncaged Vol. 3 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koven_(DJ)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Article does not describe the music duo in detail. Furthermore, this appears to be an incorrect ambiguator; shouldn't a music duo contain the ambiguator (group)? 2601:589:8000:2ED0:15DF:7A0F:FE33:90D3 (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Re nominator: If you've looked at the history, this was leftover from when I renamed the article about Koven from to ; the latter was R2'd an XNR when the article was refundrafted to Draft:Koven (group) after softdeletion at Articles for deletion/Koven (group).  Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  21:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete almost no information there or in any particular article. Peter James (talk) 22:27, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Peter James. The group is not discussed in any depth in the current target or in any other article, and the parenthetical disambiguation rules out retargeting this to the Koven disambiguation page. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Harry Shotta
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 20:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Harry Shotta → Rap God (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Shotta&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of the subject at the article. I can't find another suitable target that describes the subject in detail. 2601:589:8000:2ED0:15DF:7A0F:FE33:90D3 (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete For anyone who cares, this is the link between Harry Shotta and "Rap God" but that's much too thin for a redirect. Pichpich (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
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Bombing out
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 23%23Bombing out

Bill Knight (Greensboro)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 20:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Bill Knight (Greensboro) → Greensboro, North Carolina (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Knight_(Greensboro)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * William H. Knight (mayor) → Greensboro, North Carolina (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_H._Knight_(mayor)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of a Bill Knight or William H Knight at target article. Likely a former local politician that was only on a "current" city council list. Related William H. Knight that's mentioned in the pages' histories was PRODed in 2010.—Bagumba (talk) 10:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. From what I can gather, Knight is a former mayor of Greensboro and subsequently a member of the city council, but he isn't mentioned in the article and doesn't appear to be independently notable so it's unlikely that either of these could be expanded into an article. The parenthetical disambiguation also means that retargeting to the William Knight disambiguation page would be unhelpful. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 16:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Olin-Sang-Ruby Union Institute
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 10:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Olin-Sang-Ruby Union Institute → Union for Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olin-Sang-Ruby_Union_Institute&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * URJ Olin-Sang-Ruby Union Institute → Union for Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=URJ_Olin-Sang-Ruby_Union_Institute&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Olin Sang Ruby Union Institute → Union for Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olin_Sang_Ruby_Union_Institute&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * OSRUI → Union for Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OSRUI&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Olin Sang Ruby Union Institute → Union for Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olin_Sang_Ruby_Union_Institute&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * OSRUI → Union for Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OSRUI&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * OSRUI → Union for Reform Judaism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OSRUI&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term not present in target article, nothing to tell the reader why they have reached this article. No evidence that this is a useful redirect. Pam D  09:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I added three other similar redirects to the same target. The one starting with "URJ" has a basically-unsourced article in its history (one external link to the official website). This appears to be a remnant of Articles for deletion/URJ Camp George. All these camps (there are many more similar redirects, see ) were merged to the target in 2006, and then removed in 2007 per consensus at Talk:Union for Reform Judaism. This camp is mentioned at North American Federation of Temple Youth but I haven't done any research to decide whether that's actually an appropriate retargeting suggestion. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 05:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete Olin-Sang-Ruby Union Institute, Olin Sang Ruby Union Institute and OSRUI per nom. As the anonymous editor above documents, URJ Olin-Sang-Ruby Union Institute has a history that means we ought not to delete it per WP:RKEEP's first point (though the attribution doesn't seem to have been done properly at the time of the merge). North American Federation of Temple Youth doesn't seem like a substantially better target – from the mention there it seems to be just one group that held events at the Institute on at least one occasion. So, on balance, in the absence of any solution to the irritating licensing issue, keep URJ Olin-Sang-Ruby Union Institute. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all. From what I've seen, consensus at RfD is that we can delete a page that was merged if there's no content from the merge left and is unlikely to be any in the future. That certainly seems to be the case here. The "paper trail" will still be there too, since a deletion statement would link to this discussion, give proper context, and allow for recreation if it were needed or desired. --BDD (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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Telugu Nadu
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Telugu Nadu → Andhra Pradesh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Telugu_Nadu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Andhra Pradesh is no longer the only Telugu speaking Indian State as Telangana also speaks Telugu Abote2 (talk) 09:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retaget to Nadu as there is a list of Telugu Nadus there, although I'm not sure if Telugu Choda Nadu differs from Telugu Nadu. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC) updated 21:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think any of the entities that the dab page decides to call "Telugu Choda Nadus" are known by the name "Telugu Nadu". – Uanfala (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete as WP:REDLINK the term does seem to be notable as it returns quite a few hits from reliable sources, and we have articles such as Telugu Nadu Trade Union Council, so it's not an implausible search term, but it certainly isn't helpful pointing readers to a page where it isn't defined. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:39, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The name seems to be mostly used as an alternative or proposed name for Andhra Pradesh, but isn't mentioned in that article, so a reader who is unfamiliar with the Telugu language and the meaning of Nadu is left none the wiser as to its current meaning. The possibility that the name could be notable in its own right, and that other places could be referred to by the same name, would also seem to suggest that deletion is the best option. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 23:37, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
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House trap
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Trap (plumbing). --BDD (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * House trap → Trap music (EDM) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_trap&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

In the context of house and trap music, this term is non-existent. I think it's better off redirected elsewhere (e.g. mouse trap, etc). <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">The editor <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> whose username is <u style="color:#7f2ed1">Z0 06:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget - I think that this should go to the general article 'trapping' since the term is overwhelmingly used for methods of catching insects and other pests in one's home. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not really seeing this in the searches. For insect trap, yes, but "house trap" points more to plumbing below. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per CoffeeWithMarkets. Thryduulf (talk) 12:38, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Trap (plumbing) as house sewer traps    Merriam Webster online dictionary also refers to this   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:44, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Trap (plumbing) per AngusWOOF, and add a hatnote to Housetrap (a Bob's Burgers episode). My search results match AngusWOOF's conclusion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per AngusWOOF. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 23:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
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