Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 June 28

June 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 28, 2018.

Wikipedia:BODYCOUNT
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 9%23Wikipedia:BODYCOUNT

WP:MINIMUMDEATHS
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 9%23WP:MINIMUMDEATHS

Floral foam
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 9%23Floral foam

Chinese metal
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 19:52, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Chinese metal → Chinese heavy metal (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_metal&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous redirect, considering Chinese metal exports (aluminium, steel) Polyamorph (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. This follows every similar redirect; American metal redirects to Music of the United States, Brazilian metal redirects to Music of Brazil, British metal redirects to Rock music of the United Kingdom, Swedish metal redirects to Music of Sweden, etc. Xfansd (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, not sure that's a particularly strong argument for keeping per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but is there a guideline stating "Heavy metal" gets preference over the material? Polyamorph (talk) 20:39, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Simply seems like a case of the more popular usage gets the redirect. What other articles would they even link to, you didn't provide a specific alternative for any of the redirects, including the one this discussion is about. Seems like a broader discussion that would need to be had elsewhere and I have no interest in that, I was simply following common practice when I created the redirect. Xfansd (talk) 21:34, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This is redirects for discussion so it's reasonable to discuss here. To me the musical genre would not be the most obvious usage. China is, for example the largest producer of rare earth metals, the biggest exporter of aluminium, and heavily exports iron and steel. For example a redirect to an article on Chinese metal industry would be more useful / a more likely search, in my opinion. But want to see what others think. Polyamorph (talk) 22:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep That's a valid point, but a moot one if no such article exists. I found Steel industry in China, but that's not quite right. As heavy metal is so often shortened to metal, I think this makes sense. Should someone produce an article on metal production, a disambiguation would be appropriate. 159.53.174.141 (talk) 16:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The first thing that the phrase Chinese metal brings to my mind is neither the genre of music, nor anything associated with the industry, but the ancient Chinese element: Metal (Wu Xing). – Uanfala (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The phrase is ambiguous, but the target is the only Wikipedia article that could be referred to by this name. If there were an article on the Chinese metal industry then retargeting this or converting it to a disambiguation page would be appropriate, but as there's only one plausible target we ought to send readers there. Hatnotes for Metal (Wu Xing) and Steel industry in China or Industry of China would help to resolve any confusion. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Ebdon
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was convert to surname article.  JHunterJ (talk) 13:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Ebdon → Hebden (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ebdon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The entry for Ebdon if any should be separate from the unrelated "Hebden"; this entry should be deleted or made into a list of people called Ebdon (e.g. John Ebdon ; Les Ebdon). Johnsoniensis (talk) 08:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Until May 2006 this was a disambiguation page. It was then redirected to Peter Ebdon by user:Skinnyweed with the rationale "redirect to more famous Ebden" (John Ebdon was the only other entry on the dab at that time). In January 2007 user:Mebden redirected it to Hebdon and then a minute later to Hebden (the former presently redirects to the latter, so the change was presumably to avoid a double redirect). At that time, and until user:Boleyn split it off in 2012, Hebden also included the content now at Hebden (surname) which covers the surnames "Hebden", "Hebdon", "Hibdon", "Ebden", and "Ebdon". Thryduulf (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Hebden (surname) (I'm not immediately finding any uses that are not surnames) where this seems to be covered. Alternatively, a separate disambiguation page could be created but this would seem unnecessarily duplicative. Thryduulf (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment There is a settlement in Somerset called "Ebdon", maybe it should redirect to Wick St. Lawrence, or be a DAB for that reason.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 07:25, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on our article, "Ebdon" isn't a settlement, rather "Ebdon Grounds" is an estate/housing development within Wick St. Lawrence. At most a hatnote to this is all that is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a settlement, north of Wick St Lawrence.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 12:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's south of Wick St. Lawrence, but I'm not finding any reliable sources that indicate it is a separate settlement, e.g. the listing for the bridge at this location is noted as Wick St. Lawrence and the Ordnance Survey describe it as a Suburban Area. This suggests that a hatnote on the surname page to somewhere it is mentioned (if it is mentioned anywhere) is best. Thryduulf (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 10:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ebdon can be made into a separate page for the surnames Ebdon and Ebden, for which there are multiple origins. Peter James (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Convert to a surname page. Wiki has articles on 9 people called Ebdon.
 * I've just turned Ebden from a redirect to Hebden into a DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 14:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Convert to a surname set index per Narky Blert. Drafted below the redirect. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland, the surname originated from either of the settlements called Ebdon in England, so it seems appropriate to keep this page separate from Hebden which apparently has other origins. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Convert to a surname page per Narky Blert. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 16:01, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Coordinated market economy
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 8%23Coordinated market economy

AQA Holding
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Air Italy. Keep ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 19:54, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * AQA Holding → Air Italy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AQA_Holding&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * AQA Holding S.p.A → AQA Holding (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AQA_Holding_S.p.A&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I believe this is a useful search term, so the redirect should be kept. But another editor keeps placing a deletion tag on it so I've sent it here Polyamorph (talk) 08:25, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. The history of the redirect shows that CBG17, the other editor the nom refers to, believes the redirect is not needed because it is not linked anywhere. This is not a reason to delete a redirect, as they may be useful search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 09:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note I've added to this nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Write an article or Refine to Air Italy. AQA Holding is the parent company of Air Italy and we have a paragraph of information about them at this section of the Air Italy article. We do have little bits of information elsewhere, but this is the most comprehensive. A standalone article would be better but I'm not certain its notable (but I could be wrong on this). Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment There already was a page for the holding but it was deleted as a stand-alone article was not sufficient as it was just a copy of the paragraph on the Air Italy page, so why go back and recreate a page that is not needed. The paragraph on Air Italy is sufficient enough for this information. As for these pages I don’t see any point having them they are standalone pages with no information on them and have no links to other pages so is virtually useless so I’m what way is it helpful to have this page if it doesn’t do anything to improve the information given? CBG17 (talk) 10:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a redirect, not a page. If someone searches wikipedia for AQA Holding they will be redirected to Air Italy, it is therefore useful. Polyamorph (talk) 11:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Why do we need 2 redirects for the same name, one is enough CBG17 (talk) 12:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , please first read Redirect/Deletion reasons, and then explain why you want the redirects deleted. Polyamorph (talk) 13:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Al Youm El Sabea
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 8%23Al Youm El Sabea