Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 17

March 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 17, 2018.

Taze
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 14:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Taze → Taze, Myanmar (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taze&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

redirect to Charles Taze Russell as WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, versus an obscure town in Myanmar with questionable notability. Some supporting evidence: "Taze is an obscure masculine name most closely associated with Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), an early 20th century Christian minister whose theologies and teachings provided the foundation for the restorative Bible Student movement (from which the Jehovah Witnesses would eventually emerge). It took some research to track down the source of Pastor Russell’s middle name (“Taze”), but it’s been widely conjectured and somewhat verified that it likely comes from a Scottish-Irish family name “Tays” (a common surname around Londonderry, Northern Ireland, from where Russell’s father emigrated). " source Prisencolin (talk) 23:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Changing proposal to redirect to Taser, which was for some reason not listed on Taze (disambiguation).--Prisencolin (talk) 03:35, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Restore disambiguation. Taze is simply his middle name and I don't see any evidence that he actually went by that name, so Taze would be a WP:PTM for Mr. Russell. I see a lot of hits for Taze as a variant verb form of taser (eg: "don't taze me, bro"), so the disambiguation can be restored with links to taser and Taze, Myanmar, with Russell as a see also. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:31, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Just because a town is 'obscure', it doesn't mean that a redirect must by necessity refer to some other barely relevant thing for the sole 'purpose' of not having a redirect to an obscure topic. I see no reason to include Russell as a 'see also' just for his middle name, and definitely no reason to have Taze as a redirect to Russell. It is very unlikely that anyone searching for Russell would do so by searching only for his middle name. It may be suitable for inclusion of the verb form related to Taser on a disambiguation page; however, it still would not be necessary to have "(disambiguation)" in the title, as there still would be no main article called "Taze" and WP:NOPRIMARY would apply. If at some point there is reason for a list article specifically about the name Taze, it would be suitable to have a link to Russell there.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 01:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - no major objections to redirecting to Taser. If that happens, a hatnote for Taze, Myanmar should be added to the target article.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 03:44, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I also support a retarget change over to 'Taser'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:41, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Restore disambiguation page at Taze (disambiguation). There's Taze, Myanmar and Charles Taze Russell which are exact title matches, plus taser, taizé, and potentially others that the reader might be looking for. Then hatnote Taze, Myanmar to tell people about the DAB page. Deryck C. 11:49, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Charles Taze Russell is not remotely an "exact title match".-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 14:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate also see Taze simit (see Simit) as a PTM as Taze to be fresh. Taze Township points to the Myanmar one. Taze Lenghe points to Tazzelenghe. An author named Zeynep Sevde Paksu has a Taze Kitap publisher company, which is a PTM. Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh Railway Indiana Passenger Station was a station and restaurant known as Tazé.  Della Taze is a character in Ware Tetralogy  Most of the search results point to Charles Taze Russell and Taze Township, although it should be noted that Charles Taze Russell was not referred to by that mononym. Taze is also a name of two of the characters in Ginga Sengoku Gun'yūden Rai but I'm not sure whether those versions are legit. See also for Teays River which is pronounced like Taze.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Dabify per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Dabify - this discussion isn't convincing per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC so status quo ante seems appropriate until there's a cohesive reason to create a primary topic. As it's currently is limbo, I'll fix it in the mean time as a dab with no primary topic. Widefox ; talk 14:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment User:Prisencolin care to look at the dab now that it has been cleaned up and reevaluate as it's not a redirect any longer but a valid dab (so RfD isn't the perfect venue anymore, more like WP:RM. Widefox ; talk 08:54, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
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2028 Summer Paralympics
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 25%232028 Summer Paralympics

The beatings will continue until morale improves
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 10:30, 24 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The beatings will continue until morale improves → Morale (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_beatings_will_continue_until_morale_improves&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

there is no mention of this phrase in the article on morale. there is no evidence for the origin of the phrase, nor a citation on its usage, and i cant find any references. even its use on wikiquote is unattributed. this is an inappropriate redirect. talk page should be deleted too Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:46, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, there used to be an article here, but it was terrible. It was unsourced in late 2012, and junk-sourced in early 2012. For grins and giggles, I google book-searched and found references to the firings will continue until morale improves as early as 1984 and found nothing earlier than that, suggesting that the WW2 claims in the previous article are wrong anyway. So, delete and maybe someone will do enough research on this to create an article. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 22:36, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per Oiyarbepsy (good research, take a beating) . Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Funny enough Wikipedia itself was referenced by some article in 2012. It's not listed in Bartleby.  But here's a listing from someone trying to research the phrase on Quora   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Seems to be a joke redirect -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - The quote appears to be somewhat notable by itself. However, looking for reliable source citations gives more of a confusing picture, as mentioned above. I'd prefer deletion for now, but I can see re-creation at a later date. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Per above, possible hoax.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:18, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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The Cistern
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Cistern (disambiguation). (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 14:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The Cistern → Quake (video game) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Cistern&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Overly vague to redirect here. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:21, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:GAMECRUFT #7 (gameplay levels) AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Striking vote in favor of dab. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:48, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to La Cisterna. We have a surprising amount of articles with cisterns in them, and even some with "The Cistern of X," but this actually is The Cistern.  Capitalization matches, so this could be useful, especially given that it might be hard to search for. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 00:41, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Fun fact: We also have Cisterna chyli, which, given the above is a place in Chile, is somewhat amusing ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 00:41, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to dab per below. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 17:15, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 04:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete to reveal search results. I see no indication that La Cisterna is referred to in English as "The Cistern", and we can't just translate placenames like that. – Uanfala (talk) 04:25, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * How about retargeting to Maitland Monument, which is also known as "the Cistern"? LaundryPizza03 (talk) 05:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I know that this is making things more complicated, but I think that either 'The Cistern' should be a disambiguation page or it should go to 'Cistern (disambiguation)'. There seems to be multiple locations known as 'The Cistern'. Without a clear primary target, we should disambiguate. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Cistern (disambiguation) per CWM above. The dab page lists Matland Monument and La Cisterna. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's also a name of a Ray Bradbury short story    and a water reservoir in Houston.   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:21, 19 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Cistern (disambiguation) per CWM. It seems to be the best target -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:21, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
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Jumping in Quake
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 26%23Jumping in Quake

Precolonialization
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Precolonialization → Colonialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Precolonialization&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pre-colonial is usually a descriptor for an area's history before a colonial power occupied it. It's certainly not a synonym for colonialism. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete X1. Not the worst Neelix redirect but not worthy of keeping. Legacypac (talk) 05:38, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Referring to some entity as "pre-colonial X" makes sense, but the awkward term "precolonialization" appears pretty useless to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:21, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
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Popularisms
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Popularisms → Popolarismo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Popularisms&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This may be mistargeted. Or maybe should be deleted. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:11, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - "Popularism" is a valid but uncommon term for the political style of "populism", being used by a bunch of publications some years ago (see here). "Popularisms", though, is a pretty odd plural formation that seems useless. At the same time, I can see why it was created since the singular term is valid. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:25, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
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Point-of-use
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Point-of-use → Portable water purification (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Point-of-use&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Point of Use → Portable water purification (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Point_of_Use&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A lot of things are point-of-use. In fact, water heaters, not purifiers, seems to be more commonly called point-of-use. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I previously X1-ed both of these redirects. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 06:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - The concept of something being made for "point of use" operation is so incredibly vague that deletion seems like the only real choice. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. It would be different if it were Point-of-use water purifier but there doesn't seem to be any useful article that discusses storage of equipment that is point-of-use or ready-to-use. Maybe Staging or Deployment?  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
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Pitching records
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Pitching records → Win–loss record (pitching) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pitching_records&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is not the only statistic to measure the performance of a baseball player. Not to mention, baseball isn't the only sport that has pitching. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is so vague that I'd rather we just get rid of it. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment It's tempting to redirect to List of Major League Baseball record holders but that would be MLB centric, but that would be better than keeping it only to win-loss records.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Also note Baseball records redirects to List of Major League Baseball record holders AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:49, 19 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
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