Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 30

March 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 30, 2018.

Effective currency/Effective money
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 17:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Effective currency → Cash (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Effective_currency&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Effective money → Cash (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Effective_money&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The word "effective" is nowhere in the target article, so thus it is unclear why these terms redirect to Cash. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete both I don't see any news articles using "effective currency", and general searches for "effective money" are in the context of "effective money management"  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Neutral The Spanish word "efectivo" means cash. Just leaving a crumb for some thought processes to follow. knoodelhed (talk) 02:22, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
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Real world money
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 5%23Real world money

Concept of money
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 16:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Concept of money → Money (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Concept_of_money&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The phrase, in its form, could also refer to Currency. Steel1943 (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep redirected to Money. Prior consensus at AfD is to redirect to Money. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:39, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - A reader typing this in is most likely looking for some broad article or page sub-section about the history of money as well as definition debates about what counts as money. We might refine this to a particular part of the 'money' article or otherwise tweak it, but we shouldn't delete this redirect at the very least. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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Pecuniary
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 * The result of the discussion was soft redirect  to Pecuniary. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:07, 7 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Pecuniary → Money (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pecuniary&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Unless another appropriate target is found, recommend either Retarget to pecuniary or delete. Steel1943 (talk) 21:07, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary redirect I only see some PTM's. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:27, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
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Kaavalkaaran (2010 film)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 7%23Kaavalkaaran (2010 film)

Fantasia Burrito
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 16:50, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Fantasia Burrito → Fantasia Barrino (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fantasia_Burrito&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't seem like a likely misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as derogatory and not used in news media nickname. Fantasia Burino is a closer attempt that can cover good faith searches. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
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Rich people
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Richest/Richness
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Issue involvement
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  to make way for a potential article'''.  The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 16:50, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Issue involvement → Problem solving (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Issue_involvement&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 13:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as potential article if someone in psychology or sociology wants to figure this out. Other synonym would be "personal relevance"    Right now there isn't an article for involvement either.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - The psychological concept of "issue involvement" seems to be something that merits its own page, as stated above, and scholarly citations can be found from multiple publications (here's one example). CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
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7-1
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Brazil v Germany (2014 FIFA World Cup).  Reasonable arguments on both sides, but this RFD has gone on long enough, and the majority (not a vote I know) is just about in favour of this outcome (6 supporting a retarget, 3 supporting a delete, 1 supporting a disambiguation, 1 supporting delete or disambiguate. Fish +Karate  12:16, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * 7-1 → 7.1 surround sound (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7-1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Proposing to retarget to Brazil v Germany (2014 FIFA World Cup). It has been several years since that match, and I still see references to "7-1", which makes me believe that the match is the primary usage of the term. I'm hard-pressed to find usage of 7.1 surround sound as "7-1", although I can see why it was created as an error redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget per nom, but not proud of it. The previous RfD notwithstanding, 7-1 with the hyphen has referred to this explicitly (okay, implicitly) since then.  It's large/global enough to make sense to plenty of folks, and the sound design never uses this styling (hatnote, maybe?).  It's an awkward precedent, to be sure, and as an American, I don't think 5-1 should redirect to the England/Germany game, but given the scope of the event I'm not worried 7-1 would be too parochial. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 14:05, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Generally fine with the IPs suggestion below as a secondary preference. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 19:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:33, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - I don't know where "7-1" should point (nom's suggestion is reasonable) but it should not refer to the audio system. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete there are countless games the ended 7-1 so this is extremely vague and useless. Legacypac (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget. I came here from typing in "7-1" with the goal of looking up the football match. Especially online I've found that it's basically a shorthand for that event. I get that it's vague though so a complete deletion would also be understandable. BegbertBiggs (talk) - [//de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BegbertBiggs de] 23:40, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete and propose a more plausible search term like 7-1 (football match) or 7-1 football to retarget to the match so it doesn't interfere with 7.1 searches.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:07, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * First, I don't see how 7-1 (football match) is a "more plausible search term" than 7-1. Second, 7-1 doesn't interfere with 7.1, they are different characters. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:39, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Disambiguate for January 7, July 1, 7.1 surround sound, and Brazil v Germany (2014 FIFA World Cup), along the lines of 11:11 (which includes and ). Surround sound isn't correctly written with hyphens, but dates often are, I'm not convinced that the football match is primary in reliable sources (as opposed to just Google at large). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:51, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. --BDD (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Too vague, leave it to Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:09, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or disambiguate. The difference between the symbols . and - is important from the point of view of article titles, but I think there's going to be significant overlap in they way the two are used in searches by readers, significant enough to make "proper" retargeting to an individual article undesirable. – Uanfala (talk) 17:38, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Maybe a hatnote or a DAB is required, but I think the proposed target would be primary. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:50, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 04:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. 7-1 is a common reference for that match until now, so i think re-targeting it would be primary. Also i have noticed that 7.1 redirects to 7.1 surround sound and as said above me there's a difference between /, . and -, so if there is someone looking for the 7.1 surround sound article then they would search for 7.1 and not 7-1. And if there is someone looking for the date on the calendar (7 January or 1 July) then they would search for 7/1. Ben5218 (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And if there is someone looking for the date on the calendar (7 January or 1 July) then they would search for 7/1 hyphens are extremely common when writing dates. Not everyone uses slashes. See Date format by country. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
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Sidewheel
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 * The result of the discussion was Disambiguate  . Quick draft at Sidewheel ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 11:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Sidewheel → Paddle steamer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sidewheel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Side wheel → Paddle wheel (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Side_wheel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A paddle wheel? A paddle steamer? Or something else? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to section #sidewheeler for sidewheel and side-wheel per https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sidewheel and other dictionaries this term may refer to the type of steamer, or to one of the paddlewheels of that type.
 * Disambiguate "Side wheel" - as a collocation this has some usage referring to non-central wheels of three wheeled land vehicles, tricycles, converted scooters and the like.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:53, 24 March 2018 (UTC).

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 * Note both Neelix redirects. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 23:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate this seems to be useful for the steamers and also for training wheels and tricycles, the wheels on either side of a vehicle. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:49, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
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Dr. Sellappan Nirmala
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Dr. Sellappan Nirmala → Sellappan Nirmala (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dr._Sellappan_Nirmala&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible search term per WP:CREDENTIAL. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Surely WP:CREDENTIAL applies to the title page, not a plausible redirect such as this. JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 13:23, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as actual doctor, but do not rename article to include Dr. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:03, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * So,, , would you suggest that every biography of a doctor (of whatever kind) in Wikipedia should have a similar redirect created, with the name prefaced with "Dr." (and of course others prefaced with "Doctor" and "Doc")? We don't do that. There are some of these left over from when people couldn't move pages without leaving a redirect – this is one such. There are probably about 6000 others. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, it should only be applied if it's listed as such regularly in media. I'll go ahead and strike that since the news articles presented do not call Nirmala that. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep (since it already exists) and tag . Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:53, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The SandDoctor  Talk 03:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , that it exists is not an argument for keeping it – it is because it exists that I have nominated it for deletion. We might want to widen the scope of this discussion to all such redirects. I notice that we don't have (m)any comparable redirects to the names of ordinary people prefaced with "Mr.". Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
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