Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 5

March 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 5, 2018.

LS3D engine
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 14%23LS3D engine

Cytopyge
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 14%23Cytopyge

Rozzi (Singer/Songwriter)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Killiondude (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Rozzi (Singer/Songwriter) → Rozzi Crane (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rozzi_(Singer/Songwriter)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirect. Moving the target page to the non-parenthetical "Rozzi" had been the subject of a move discussion about a month ago. That discussion ended as "no consensus", with some of the opposition based on the observation that the proposed target already existed as a disambiguation page. There also was the argument that the full name was the common name and that, even if this were to change, natural disambiguation (with the surname) would still be the better approach. It was, however, suggested that Rozzi (singer) would be a useful redirect. That redirect was created. The one nominated here was created earlier today by undoing an undiscussed page move. The material on the subject is now back at Rozzi Crane and this redirect serves no purpose (and is not linked from any other article). NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom given the (singer) one already covers it and doesn't have all the caps in it. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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Bonghead
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Teenage stoners
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Adolescence. ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 01:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Teenage stoners → Cannabis culture (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teenage_stoners&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Somehow I'm not finding a single place where we discuss teen drug use, let alone cannabis specifically. Am I overlooking something obvious, or is this a WP:REDLINK candidate? BDD (talk) 20:54, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Adolescence as that at least discusses the topic without it being a specific article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:33, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That mostly works for me. Is "stoner" well known enough slang for a cannabis user to not need mention there? --BDD (talk) 22:22, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
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Culture of psychoactive substances
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete.  --BDD (talk) 22:20, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Culture of psychoactive substances → Drug culture (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Culture_of_psychoactive_substances&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Same user trying to make pointless (incredibly unlikely target of a search) redirect –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Is not a good enough reason to delete the redirect. It isn't actually possible to know the probability of anyone choosing to make the search "incredibly unlikely target of a search". 23h112e (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC) The redirect and destination are obviously linked. 23h112e (talk) 19:18, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a recently-created redirect at the same time as Cultural influence, so no decent amount of stats available. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 24 AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:24, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Is not the same redirect obviously. Cultural influence - Culture of. Is not the same thing. [1. Culture of] [2. psychoactive substances] is the same as [2. Drug] [1. culture], the two are more similar (more or less the same). [1.Cultural influence of] [psychoactive substances] - Cultural influence might destinate at "Musicians who use drugs, painters who use drugs, et cetera" 23h112e (talk) 19:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * My concern is more of a WP:NEO as it is an attempt at making something verbose, as with "The Tube of You". Please present some news articles and books that use this particular phrase, as I'm not seeing the technical papers or essays that support this. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see a problem here. The target article discusses the cultures of some psychoactive substances. --BDD (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. Creator of redirect now blocked as a sock, see Sockpuppet investigations/Whalestate.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 23:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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List of buttons on a standard US computer mouse
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 18:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * List of buttons on a standard US computer mouse → Computer mouse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_buttons_on_a_standard_US_computer_mouse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I somehow doubt this exact phrase is typed in enough to make this a necessary redirect. Thegreatluigi (talk) 16:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not useful when there are so many mouse designs.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - unsurprisingly, only 7 results on Google for this phrase. Batternut (talk) 18:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - This seems useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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Canada’s
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 18:07, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Canada’s → Canada (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canada%E2%80%99s&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure why a possessive form is needed. We recently had the redirect "Zidane's" deleted, and I think a possessive form for a country is equally unnecessary. Thegreatluigi (talk) 16:09, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, also risks overlinking nations. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:36, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I cannot see any justification for a redirect from a possessive other than in those exceptional cases where it is a WP:COMMONNAME. (As example, Macy's was once a WP:COMMONNAME but is now an official name.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:29, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - We can just be rid of this. It's not helpful. There probably exists some company or non-government organization or something of the sort known as simply "Canada's", I'd not be surprised, but none of them seem to be notable. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
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Martuis island
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 01:15, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Martuis island → Mauritius (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martuis_island&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Very implausible typo, made even more implausible by having the word "island" after it. Thegreatluigi (talk) 16:00, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't see the use of this. It's too far off to be a plausible misspelling, and the term "Martuis" itself doesn't seem to have any clear association with anything. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - meaningless/implausible typo. Batternut (talk) 13:03, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
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Beb
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Beb → Babi (mythology) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beb&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Some history: from 2002 to 2005, this was a very short article, stating In Egyptian mythology, Beb (also Bebti, Baba, Babu) is the first-born son of Osiris according to the Book of the Dead. Little else is known about him. In 2005, it was redirect to Horus by a sock puppet. Earlier today, it was replaced with some A11 material. I declined the speedy and retargeted to Babi (mythology), then promptly forgot to RfD it. Thanks to Atsme for keeping me honest.

Anyway, I pointed it there to based on some of the historical interwiki links (Beb, namely). Some random googling (mostly baby name sites) suggest this meaning. I'm largely neutral, except that it's quite old, but wanted to get other opinions on it. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 15:55, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

ETA: Disambiguate per Tavix. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 17:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - seriously - started out as a hoax or totally unsupported hogwash that was created 13 yrs. ago, and was later hijacked to promote a gamer page. See original material which is false information. Geb (with a "G") was the father of Osiris, and the first son of Osiris was Horus. The article's creator, User:TUF-KAT, was a prior admin but hasn't contributed anything since Sept. 2009. His TP is filled with deletion notices and the like. Not sure what's going on there - could be it was all an innocent mistake or lack of experience? Long story short, Beb was hijacked by a SPA who changed the context to the definition of urban slang for bebs, or beb (babe) and cited it to Discord which eventually takes you to the Boosted Animals Community. Atsme 📞📧 16:13, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * do you agree on dabification - if so we can just end this quickly I reckon Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:52, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate. Beb or BEB may refer to: Béb (Hungarian village), Benbecula Airport (IATA code), Best of European Business, Beach Erosion Board, Big End Bolt (which I just PROD'd), and the nickname of Beb Guérin, Beb Bakhuys, Beb Vuyk, Beryl Hearnden, and Herbert Asquith (poet). -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, duh! No idea why I didn't dab it... ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * SMirC-chuckle.svg ... !! I should've known! Thank you . are you going to withdraw this nom? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme 📞📧 18:08, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! We're all in agreement now, so I'll just close it in favor of disambiguating. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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Tewwnies
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 01:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Tewwnies → Tweenies (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tewwnies&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Rather implausible typo. It also looks more like a misspelling of "Toonies" (slang for Canadian Two Dollar Coin). Thegreatluigi (talk) 15:52, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak delete over retargeting to Toonie as I don't think it's really a plausible misspelling. It should be very obvious to anyone that the "too" sound in "Toonie" refers to the number two, the coin's face value in native currency. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:25, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, I wasn't suggesting it was a particularly plausible misspelling of Toonie either. I just meant this is one of those redirects where the very few people who actually type it may just as easily be looking for something else. Thegreatluigi (talk) 17:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, not used anywhere in news articles, fan and critic pages. Disrupts searches for toonies. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:52, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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Rehbar-e-Muzam
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Venice 70: Future Reloaded
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Nominator withdrew the nomination and no others have proposed deletion/redirection, therefore meeting WP:SKCRIT #1. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Venice 70: Future Reloaded → 70th Venice International Film Festival (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venice_70:_Future_Reloaded&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term does not appear in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect. Pam D  15:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Withdraw now that I've added a sourced section about this film project - but I wish the editor creating the redirect had done so in the first place. Pam  D  21:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Sorry about that. Just thought to make the redirect if people searched for what film project Abbas Kiarostami contributed to, yet I could have also added the info on the 70th Venice Film Festival article itself. Next time for sure. LionFosset (talk) 06:20, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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Goblin's WAY
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Nominator withdrew the nomination and no others have proposed deletion/redirection, therefore meeting WP:SKCRIT #1. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Goblin's WAY → Jean-Baptiste Monge (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goblin%27s_WAY&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term does not appear in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect. Pam D  15:30, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as related publishing house   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:44, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Withdraw now that I've added sourced sentence about publishing house. Pam  D  21:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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Soldiers' Oath
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Criticism of WhatsApp
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to WhatsApp. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Criticism of WhatsApp → Reception and criticism of WhatsApp security and privacy features (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_WhatsApp&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term seems more general than target article. Pam D  14:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy retarget to WhatsApp. --BDD (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per BDD Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:43, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
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Indie emo
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Emo. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Indie emo → Midwest emo (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indie_emo&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term does not appear in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect. Seems unlikely that such a general term refers to a geographically limited genre. Pam D  14:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Though the term does not appear in the target article it is the place where "Indie emo" emerged. Midwest emo despite being a scene is also commonly seen as a style as in the article bands, not from the Midwest such as Sunny Day Real Estate and Algernon Cadwallader is mentioned as being of the style. I suppose that the redirect could be changed to simply emo or it could be turned into a disambiguation page. User:Dekai Averett —Preceding undated comment added 18:30, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Emo says the genre has been considered a form of indie rock. In that sense, I could see this term being used as an instance of contrastive focus reduplication: "Oh, I like indie emo, not commercially successful acts like Fall Out Boy." The redirect seems misleading as it stands, but might not be helpful just pointing to Emo. It might be a case where search results are more helpful. --BDD (talk) 20:46, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Emo per The term "emo-indie" and "indie-emo" has been used in a handful of articles but not really described there to be strongly Midwest emo.     AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "Indie-emo" though a relatively broad term has been largely attributed to the Midwestern Emo scene as far as sound and development. This is to the point that people tend to use the terms synonomously. Bands like Snowing and Algernon Cadwallader are not even from the Midwest but called Midwestern emo bands because of their sound. I would understand a change back to Emo but the redirect I feel does more good them harm. User:Dekai Averett —Preceding undated comment added 12:25, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It might help if there were some articles to support its main usage to apply to Midwestern Emo. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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For the Longest Time (song)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Plausible error (line is part of the chorus), therefore worth having a redirect. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:36, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="For the Longest Time (song)">For the Longest Time (song) → The Longest Time (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=For_the_Longest_Time_(song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term not found in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect, with or without unnecessary disambiguation. Pam D  14:31, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete not the song title. The Longest Time (song) already exists. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep, "for the longest time" is the most prominent lyric in the song, and may be easily mistaken as the song's title.--Porsche997SBS 16:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Porsche997SBS. Certainly a plausible error. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this necessary given that "For the Longest Time" also redirects there and would show up first in search? That would be like retaining Shine bright like a diamond (song) when Shine bright like a diamond exists. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:16, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Somehow I didn't see that discussion directly below. Still, this is harmless. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:34, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
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For The Longest Time
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * For The Longest Time → The Longest Time (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=For_The_Longest_Time&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term not found in target article: no indication that this is a useful redirect. Pam D  14:30, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as For the Longest Time already exists as . We don't need a version where "The" is in caps as the second word. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:19, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Plausible search term / incorrect title. If it were really weird capitalization, I could see the argument, but this doesn't seem unreasonable as a title (by that I mean the subject is a work with a distinct title, not that such capitalization would be suitable for the article title). --BDD (talk) 20:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I suppose with the correct title capitalizing "The" it's plausible. Striking previous vote as this particular redirect's been around since 2008. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:51, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per BDD and my comment in the related thread above. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:35, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep often thought to be the song title, eg here. Batternut (talk) 12:00, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
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Quiero Dinero
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Pahari languages
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 21:26, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Pahari languages → Northern Indo-Aryan languages (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pahari_languages&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should, per WP:PLURALPT, redirect to Pahari language (or wherever that gets merged to, see Articles for deletion/Pahari language). Batternut (talk) 12:59, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The plural is only used for the language group (the current target) and never for any of the individual languages listed on the dab (the proposed target). Plural redirects from language names, whenever they exist, almost never go to the same place as the singular (see English languages, Hindi languages, Arabic languages...). – Uanfala (talk) 15:42, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of X languages articles follow PLURALPT "For the rare articles that are in the plural ... there should normally be a redirect from the singular form", eg Sino-Tibetan, Italic, Koreanic, Tyrsenian, Semitic, I could go on...Most X language articles do not have a X languages redirect, although a few do, eg Malagasy, Lombard.The few X language articles where group articles at X languages exist, the X language articles are always the "proper" language, as in Hani languages, Kunama languages, Spanish languages, likewise English, Hindi, Arabic as you mention.There is no "proper" Pahari language exemplifying the group, because there is no such linguistic group. Pahari is applied to a wide range of languages - as you know, it just means "hill people". It is like having a disambiguation page on Island language and a redirect from Island languages to Languages of Norfolk Island. Batternut (talk) 23:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my examples were meant merely as illustrations for why the plurals of language names don't work the way you seemed to expect (judging from you nomination). Anyway, the crucial point here is that the plural phrase means something different from the singular. The uses of the singular are well documented at Pahari language, and the use of the plural is well established: just see the target article and its sources. – Uanfala (talk) 23:24, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Alas the plural does not always mean the current target - it has often been used to include Western Pahari, which is not part of Northern Indo-Aryan languages (even though the article implies it is). Furthermore you cannot state that the plural is never used to the other non-Northern Indo-Aryan languages listed at Pahari language. Batternut (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Western Pahari is normally included in Northern IA (even though some classifications exclude it), but that's irrelevant. Regardless of how the group is defined in the various works, "Pahari languages" is a synonym for it. As for the plural being used to refer to an individual language, that's simply preposterous. You'll need a lot of examples to show that they're relevant for determining the primary topic of the redirect, but good luck finding any. – Uanfala (talk) 00:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I am simply saying that "Pahari languages" is used in a way that can include any or all of the languages labelled as "Pahari". Batternut (talk) 09:05, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The plural being used to refer to an individual language - does chairs refer to an individual chair? That is not the implication of the plural pointing to the singular. If that is preposterous as you say, then WP:PLURALPT is too. Batternut (talk) 20:19, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * "Pahari languages" is a synonym for it (ie Northern Indo-Aryan) - Pahari does not include Nepali or Dogri, so it cannot be a synonym for Northern Indo-Aryan languages which clearly do include them. That is the view of the census of India, shown in their 2001 report. Batternut (talk) 08:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In the census results you link to, "Pahari" is used as a language name (in the singular), and not as a name for a group of languages (the plural). – Uanfala (talk) 14:59, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The 2001 census use of the name "Pahari" cannot conceivably refer to a single Pahari language... Alas the state-by-state breakdown of the non-scheduled languages doesn't help - that Pahari, added into Hindi, is not explained anywhere I have found. Batternut (talk) 00:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * To be precise, the "Pahari" of the census is a "mother tongue": a category that the census reports subsume under individual "languages" (the "language" in question in this case being Hindi). – Uanfala (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It's easier to find authors using the term "Pahari languages" meaning just those languages commonly called Pahari, and therefore exclude many members of the Northern Indo-Aryan group. Eg Suresh Raj Sharma "the Pahari languages as well as Rajasthani and Dogri will forge ahead ...", Thomas Sebeok "... debate is concerned only with the Nepali language, even though many... are speakers of the Pahari languages" and "Nepali is increasing at the expense of the Pahari languages," Prithvi Nath Kaula "Out of these languages Kashmiri, Dogri, Tibeti, and Panjabi Languages can be written as well. But Chabali, Dardi and Pahari languages cannot be put down into writing" ... Batternut (talk) 12:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In your last example, "Pahari" is used as the name of a single language (the word "language" is in the plural because it is at the end of an enumeration). Your second example is from a paper by T. W. Clark (Sebeok is only the editor of the volume). Right at the start (p. 249) he declares that within the paper he will use the term "Pahari" to refer to the languages of the "Hill sectors" of Nepal (a topic for which we don't have an article). We shouldn't attempt to reflect this idiosyncratic use of the term "Pahari" unless it has been picked in the later literature. Your first example is from a paper by Ram Bilas Sharma (a different person from Suresh Raj Sharma, who is the editor of the compilation). From the context it is clear that "Pahari languages" refers to the Western Pahari languages of Himachal, one of the three well-defined subgroups defined in the target article. I don't think that a user who encounters this term and searches for it will be misled by arriving at the current target. – Uanfala (talk) 21:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The fact that most pages that link to Pahari languages do so via piped links such as Pahari, confusing the singular and the plural, indicates to me that singular and plural should lead to the same article. Batternut (talk) 01:28, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * These links are mostly artefacts of WP:DPL activity – people "fixing" links to dab pages (Until recently, Pahari languages was the only language entry in the dab page Pahari). Virtually all of these links are wrong and I've been working on correcting them. – Uanfala (talk) 02:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * This is why Pahari languages should go to a disambiguation page! Batternut (talk) 11:24, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Replacing such links with unsourced guess at a target and tagging with "Citation needed" (as you have just done here) doesn't seem to be a constructive approach. Batternut (talk) 11:31, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * (as proposer) Redirect to disambiguation at Pahari language, in summary (a) generally per WP:PLURALPT and WP:POFR singular and plural yield the same destination page, and as the difference here between singular and plural is not that great (one group of languages versus a variety of eponymous languages), for most people the subtle linguistic distinction does not warrant the surprise; and (b) although the majority of "Pahari languages" occurrences may refer to the Northern Indo-Aryan languages, given that many namesake languages/dialects are not in that group, disambiguation will best aid the casual arrival. Batternut (talk) 12:41, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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Repatriation Hospital in Hollywood
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Killiondude (talk) 03:27, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Repatriation Hospital in Hollywood → Hollywood Private Hospital (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Repatriation_Hospital_in_Hollywood&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of term in target article; no indication of usefulness of redirect. Accurate descriptive term for former name/function, but we don't include all of those as redirects. Pam D  19:23, 16 February 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Weak keep Repatriation General Hospital, Hollywood exists and handles most of the redirects for the former name of the hospital. Question is whether removing "General" would still be useful for searches. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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Northern Indic
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 * The result of the discussion was Disambiguate  . Despite not having much input, this was a little... different, but I think I've followed the full story.  A reminder: even if you draft a dab page, don't remove the RfD template. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 20:27, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * Northern Indic → Northern Indo-Aryan languages (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Indic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

discussion of original redirect page
 * North Indic → Brahmic scripts (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=North_Indic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Vague and obscure alternative name for either the hypothetical language group (the current target), or a subgroup of the Brahmic ("Indic") family of scripts, or for anything from the northern parts of either the Indian subcontinent or the Indian Ocean. Too generic to think about creating a dab page. – Uanfala (talk) 01:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You mentioned at least three distinct senses. I would say that qualifies for a disambiguation page.  Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and created a disambiguation page. Please remove the "redirect for discussion" notice from the article page if you agree.  Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

voting for status of original redirect page


 * Disambiguate. Redirect page should be removed and upgraded to a disambiguation page instead (already done).  Nicole Sharp (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

disambiguation for discussion

discussion of new disambiguation page

Text copied from " ." Nicole Sharp (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

This page is no longer a redirect page. So a new discussion should be started on whether to keep the page as a disambiguation, as opposed to the original discussion on whether to keep the page as a redirect. Nicole Sharp (talk) 16:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I also fixed the redirect page for North Indic to redirect to the new disambiguation page of Northern Indic. Previously, "Northern Indic" redirected to the Northern Indic languages, whereas "North Indic" redirected to the Northern Indic script.  So there is clearly a need for disambiguation between the language group and the script.  Nicole Sharp (talk) 00:26, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

voting for status of new disambiguation page

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 * Keep. Page looks good to me.  I would add a link to the article for Northern India perhaps, except that "Indic" is more often used in academic contexts to refer to South Asian subcontinent, as opposed to the Republic of India.  Nicole Sharp (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a clarification of "not to be confused with 'North Indian'" is warranted though. Nicole Sharp (talk) 00:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added to the nomination (thanks for noticing it!). I'm seeing a similar pattern of usage on google books as for . I maintain that deletion is still the best option as the two terms are too generic and vague to warrant disambiguating (the search engine already does its job well). Browsing through the results, I'm beginning to doubt "Northern Indic" is used specifically in reference to the Northern Indo-Aryan languages (a narrowly defined group that is not widely accepted among linguists) rather than simply to mean "an Indic language from somewhere in the north". At any rate, disambiguation is of course preferable to keeping them targeted to one or another article. – Uanfala (talk) 00:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirecting "North Indic" to a disambiguation page makes sense to me. "North Indic" must have been something I came across in reading or a podcast, so it should resolve to something that eventually gets me to an article that explains the one or more things it could refer to.  (And knowing it could refer to more than one thing is itself very helpful.) -- Beland (talk) 02:50, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Support disambiguation See also can be added for Indic and whether there may be a South Indic dab forthcoming. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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