Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 October 14

October 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 14, 2018.

SPF(Harvey Birdman)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:17, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * SPF(Harvey Birdman) → List of Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law episodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SPF(Harvey_Birdman)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible typo with less than 50 pageviews. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 22:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete there already exists a properly formatted redirect with the correct spacing. -- 65.94.42.168 (talk) 02:40, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete housekeeping. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 19:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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T:SP
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 14:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * T:SP → Template:Spaces (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T:SP&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A deprecated kind of redirect (see this RfC), whose usefulness is further compromised by the fact that its target is different from. – Uanfala (talk) 21:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Template:SP was deleted years ago, which was a template that was different from template:sp -- 65.94.42.168 (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as the page view stats show that this redirect is used and therefore useful and there is no evidence of any confusion with other templates or articles. Even though the former is theoretically possible, unless it is an actual issue it really isn't relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Pageviews? It gets one view every couple of weeks and it hasn't received a single one since the end of August. It's even less than what T:MWSD gets and that one we have good reasons to believe no-one has ever used. – Uanfala (talk) 15:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Page views do not show that this redirect is used or useful. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:42, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete no indication of any actual utility as a shortcut (entirely unused and gets 1 view every two weeks), and the redirect does not help with transclusion. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:30, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * One view every two weeks is not unused - unused redirects get a low single digit number of views every year! Thryduulf (talk) 12:20, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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United states of soviet russia
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 00:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * United states of soviet russia → Soviet Union (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_states_of_soviet_russia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirect, it is an unlikely misnomer of 'Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'. Thespündragon 20:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Some people who should know better think it is what USSR stands for. I think this makes it a plausible search term. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 22:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep misnomers printed in WP:RS are usually regarded as likely search terms. The long and hilarious list of people who thought this was the right name includes members of the UK Parliament and published academics, even. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:58, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep since USSR goes there and that's the primary topic over USSR (disambiguation) AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:40, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
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T:MWSD
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 00:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * T:MWSD → Template:MWSD (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T:MWSD&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I created Template:MWSD a few years ago, and judging by the list of transclusions I appear to be the only person who's ever used it. Though it warms my heart to see that thought my template important enough to warrant a mainspace shortcut,  I don't see this as ever being useful. See also this RfC for why such shortcuts are generally deprecated. – Uanfala (talk) 17:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The page view statistics show this is in use, although not as significantly so as to be blindingly obviously used, it does not conflict with anything else and so I'm not seeing any reason to delete it beyond "I don't like pesudo-namespace redirects" (which is not a reason to delete a redirect). Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As I appear to be the only editor who's used the target template since it was created over two years ago, if there's anything that the pageviews are telling us, it is that two views per month is apparently what we get for a shortcut that no-one has ever used. And the reasons why such redirects are almost prohibited are explained in the RfC I've linked above and they have nothing to do with my likes or dislikes. – Uanfala (talk) 20:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * From vast experience of looking at page views of redirects, I can say with certainty that redirects nobody uses get less than about 6 hits per year, often only 2-3. The RfC does not say that all such redirects are bad and that they can be useful. This is a useful redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 21:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It's slightly exasperating that I find myself obliged to quote from the RfC outcome every time you make a reference to it. This type of redirects were strongly discouraged if not prohibited in all but exceptional cases. And no-one in their right mind would claim that this template is one of the exceptional cases. – Uanfala (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per non. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 13:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
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Mother Wheel
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Nation of Islam. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Mother Wheel → Muslim world (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mother_Wheel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Compare to Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_August_3: That redirect originally targetted Nation of Islam, a section link that is actually still valid, but got redirected by bot ("Fixing double redirect") to Muslim World. However, Muslim World does not at all cover Nation of Islam stuff, and, which is why I do not just revert the bot edit, I am not 100 % convinced that this is the perfect redirect target, as the term "Mother Wheel" is not really explained, but only cited. → «« Man77 »» 14:36, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm confused - are you proposing to retarget this to Nation of Islam? Thryduulf (talk) 19:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I am proposing to discuss the redirect in order to find the best solution. Retargeting to Nation of Islam for sure is better than what we have now, but I am not sure and familiar enough with English Wikipedia's policies whether for example a deletion might be even better, or whether there is another possible solution to consider. → «« Man77 »» 19:49, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Nation of Islam. I created the redirect. The terms "Mother Plane" and "Mother Wheel" are used more or less interchangeably, as in the Farrakhan speech cited in Nation of Islam. If I recall correctly, I searched for "Mother Wheel" on WP, couldn't find an article, found info in the "Nation of Islam" page, and thought a redirect would be a good idea. As to why the bot changed the redirect... I'm just speculating, but I wonder if some person moved that section from Nation of Islam to Muslim World (and set up a redirect), triggering the bot action--and someone else moved that section back to Nation of Islam (where it belongs)? In any event, I'd suggest changing the redirect back to Nation of Islam. — Narsil (talk) 19:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom: this seems like an uncontroversial bit of routine maintenance, if a belated one. The section was never moved to any other article, and if it had been I don't think it would have caused the bot to retarget the redirect. Rather, what happened was that the article now at Nation of Islam was moved to Nation of Islam (religious movement), and Nation of Islam was turned into a redirect to Muslim world. (See the move log for Nation of Islam and history of Nation of Islam (religious movement).) The move was reverted the following day but in the meantime redirects to Nation of Islam were found by the bot to be double redirects and "fixed" to point to Muslim world. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
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T: Zone (Toni Gonzaga album)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:17, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="T: Zone (Toni Gonzaga album)">T: Zone (Toni Gonzaga album) → Toni Gonzaga (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T:_Zone_(Toni_Gonzaga_album)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. There is no Toni Gonzaga album by this name listed at Toni Gonzaga. The redirect is the result of an article at this title being moved to T: Zone, according to Ivanvector at Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 25, the "T: Zone" redirect "Was an article about a speculated album under a speculated title. A good example of why we should not have these redirects, as the artist's following album was not released under this name, and there is no mention of it anywhere.". The discussion resulted in consensus to delete (pinging other participants: Rubbish computer and Lenticel). Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as G8. Tassedethe (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The target of the redirect exists so it is not eligible for G8 speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * 'delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:10, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * 'Delete per nom. T-Zone doesn't even exist for her album names. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
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T:TT
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Template:Wather firearms
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD and WP:CSD. Thryduulf (talk) 09:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Template:Wather firearms → Template:Walther firearms (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wather_firearms&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is an unnecessary redirect from an obvious typo. Pkbwcgs (talk) 08:26, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * DELETE As the creator of the template... This was a result of my typo when I created the template. Redirect is result of a move. No need to keep it. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 08:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Watercess Line
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD. Thryduulf (talk) 09:05, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Template:Watercess Line → Template:Watercress Line (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Watercess_Line&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Obvious misspelling of Watercress Line - no need for this redirect. Pkbwcgs (talk) 08:22, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete no transclusions, and an obvious misspelling --Danski454 (talk) 09:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Punjab MPAs 2018–
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