Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 2

September 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 2, 2018.

Template:Infobox coat of arms/doc
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  per G6/G8 by . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Template:Infobox coat of arms/doc → Template:Infobox emblem/doc (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_coat_of_arms/doc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template talk:Infobox coat of arms/doc → Template talk:Infobox emblem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Infobox_coat_of_arms/doc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Infobox Coat of arms/doc → Template:Infobox emblem/doc (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Coat_of_arms/doc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template talk:Infobox Coat of arms/doc → Template talk:Infobox emblem (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Infobox_Coat_of_arms/doc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Infobox coat of arms wide/doc → Template:Infobox emblem wide/doc (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_coat_of_arms_wide/doc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template talk:Infobox coat of arms wide/doc → Template talk:Infobox emblem wide (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Infobox_coat_of_arms_wide/doc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Infobox coat of arms wide/sandbox → Template:Infobox emblem wide/sandbox (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_coat_of_arms_wide/sandbox&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template talk:Infobox coat of arms wide/sandbox → Template talk:Infobox emblem wide (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Infobox_coat_of_arms_wide/sandbox&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These redirects were created from page moves following merging of Template:Infobox emblem into Template:Infobox coat of arms and moving to Template:Infobox emblem, and then moving all related pages. All of these are subpages with no substantive links. Bsherr (talk) 23:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
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Katherine Graham Sulzberger
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted  by Bbb23. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 08:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Katherine Graham Sulzberger → Katharine Graham (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katherine_Graham_Sulzberger&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No evidence this is a valid name or was ever in use by reliable sources: appears to misleadingly conflate Katharine Graham, publisher of The Washington Post, with the Sulzberger family, longtime publishers of the The New York Times. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Strangely, this is it's original author's only contribution. I can find no use of this name either. --Bsherr (talk) 00:00, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading and possible WP:SURPRISE. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me &#124; Contributions). This message was left at 02:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is no evidence known to google that a person by this name has ever existed, let alone a notable person or this specific person. Thryduulf (talk) 08:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as not even mentioned in the article and per WP:BLPPRIVACY if it were discovered by some family tree / legal records, compare to recent RFD Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 24. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - As stated above, this seems like nonsense. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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Opamacare
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD. Thryduulf (talk) 08:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Opamacare → 2018 State of the Union Address (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opamacare&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A mispronunciation of Obamacare in the speech at this target (but not mentioned in the target). suggest redirect to that Obamacare as misspelling. Widefox ; talk 17:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:LASTING and WP:NOTNEO AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Even better. Widefox ; talk 18:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per . Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 18:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, as the creator of the redirect. THE DIAZ userpage • talk • contribs 03:39, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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Ismail Mohammed (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep.  [withdrawn] Vexations (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Ismail Mohammed (disambiguation) → Ismail Mohammed (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ismail_Mohammed_(disambiguation)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

redirects to a disambiguation page where no primary topic exists Vexations (talk) 17:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep User:Vexations It is correct per WP:HOWTODAB - all dabs without primary topics should have such a redirect. (If it had a primary topic, the dab would be at that title and no redirect would be possible.)  Widefox ; talk 17:27, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I didnd't explain that very well, did I? There are two disambiguation pages, with very similar names, Ismail Mohamed and Ismail Mohammed, neither of which have a primary topic. Should either Ismail Mohamed (disambiguation) or Ismail Mohammed (disambiguation) exist then? Vexations (talk) 17:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If that's the same question for the second dab, then it's the same answer.
 * If your asking about merging them, which is possible, but... a) this is the wrong venue (and focussing on the wrong aspect - the redirects will still exist even if the two dabs are merged) b) bad nom for that Widefox ; talk 18:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
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Gay propaganda
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Homosexual agenda.


 * Keep Gay propaganda
 * Redirect Homosexual propaganda to Homosexual agenda
 * (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 08:17, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Gay propaganda → Homosexual agenda (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gay_propaganda&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Homosexual propaganda → Societal attitudes toward homosexuality (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexual_propaganda&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The forwarding is not correct. The article "Homosexual agenda" does not describe the term "gay propaganda". The term is neither explained nor even mentioned. Thus, this forwarding is an original invention and must be deleted. --Charmbook (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Societal attitudes toward homosexuality, where this term is discussed. Iffy★Chat -- 15:31, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Charmbook first took this to Articles for deletion/Gay propaganda. Like Bearian stated there, "homosexual agenda" and "gay propaganda" are essentially synonyms. It is easy enough to add a mention of the term in the Homosexual agenda article and/or to add it to the lead of that article as a WP:Alternative title. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * LGBT propaganda was created 21 July 2018 and also redirects to Homosexual agenda. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'm having trouble understanding the desired outcome for some of you. Bearian, are you suggesting merging one of the target articles into the other? Desmay, do you want these to continue to point to different places despite seeing them as synonyms?
 * Comment whatever the result, this redirect and homosexual propaganda should be consistent with each other (right now the latter points to the section that Iffy mentioned), so I'm adding it to this nomination. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge or redirect are fine with me. Bearian (talk) 18:26, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'll go ahead and alert WP:LGBT to this discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget Gay propaganda to Societal attitudes toward homosexuality, and keep Homosexual propaganda as it is. I agree that both of these ought to point to one target. The section seems like a broader and thus more useful topic, and "gay propaganda" is mentioned there, whereas the article is narrower, referring to the specific phrase rather than the broader phenomenon. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 17:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * keep these terms are synonymous with each other, and they are relatively common terms. Thus, "gay propaganda" and "homosexual propaganda" meet WP:R.desmay (talk) 14:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Would like more discussion and a clearer consensus on what the target should be

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget - I believe that both of these should go to 'homosexual agenda' given that they appear to be synonyms. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to Homosexual agenda as the separate article discussing this. Put a "main" hatnote on the opposition article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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Kalyanasundaranar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 9%23Kalyanasundaranar

MERU, Holland
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Kolleg St. Ludwig. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 08:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="MERU, Holland">MERU, Holland → Transcendental Meditation movement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MERU,_Holland&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect target does not mention what is MERU. Nowak Kowalski (talk) 11:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Kolleg St. Ludwig which is the MERU in Holland. MERU = Maharishi European Research University and the Kolleg one is the Holland campus.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Kolleg St. Ludwig per AngusWOOF -- Lenticel ( talk ) 10:45, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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IPhone VIII
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 12:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * IPhone VIII → IPhone 8 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPhone_VIII&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible. We don't have iPhone IV, iPhone V, iPhone VI or iPhone VII, iPhone X is so called because that's what the product is called. By the way, this reminds me of this RfD. Update, turns out the creator is a sockpuppet of the redirects mentioned above. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Some entities are strongly associated with Roman numeral names for good reason (the many Star Wars films come to mind immediately), but these Apple products... it's a stretch. I also support deletion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as misleading. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Dreamy <i style="color:#d01e1e">Jazz</i> 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 18:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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