Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 27

September 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 27, 2018.

Everythingism
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 15:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Everythingism → Trivialism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everythingism&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target, nor in any other article. Google results suggest there are a variety of meanings, none of which seem to have very much to do with trivialism. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:04, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support Not related to trivialism, or anything else in Wikipedia. Paradoctor (talk) 05:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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The structure of the senate
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 01:38, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The structure of the senate → Parliament of Australia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_structure_of_the_senate&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Australia isn't the only country with a senate. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. We don't even have a complete list of senates to redirect it to (just lists of current and former national upper houses with this name at Senate). Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as many countries have senates. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Senate, since the article does mention different ways senates can be structured. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 21:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous. Raymond1922 (talk) 02:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
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List of TLA-Dabs
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Unified Communications Server
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . If somebody thinks a better target exists (or if nominator now feels strongly about the proposed retarget / dab) they may create a new redirect or dab at this title. Deryck C. 15:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Unified Communications Server → IceWarp Mail Server (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unified_Communications_Server&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete or retarget to Unified communications. Notice incorrect capitalization. Stumbled upon while attempting to fix Infobox software in article CommuniGate Pro. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 17:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Could also disambiguate because of possibilities, but I don't like making a list and have no idea what one would include... plus the capitalization. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 17:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The SandDoctor  Talk 21:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:BBRD
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:19, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


 * BBRD → Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BBRD&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't understand why this redirect is necessary when WP:BRD exists as a redirect to BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. It is a meaningless redirect. Pkbwcgs (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Retarget I meant to target it to BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. I occasionally type WP:BBRD rather than WP:BRD because I think of it as "be bold, revert, discuss". I don't think it's meaningless at all, just accidentally targeted it to the wrong page... cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 19:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Cymru.lass - not meaningless at all and there is no limit to the number of shortcuts that any one page can have. It's not ambiguous with anything else, so there is no problem to resolve there (not that deletion would actually be the correct way to solve it if it were). Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Reasonable shortcut: Be Bold, Revert, Discuss. Fix the double redirect and all is well. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 05:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Retarget. Although if this hadn't been nominated for RFD, bot would have automatically fixed the double redirect by now. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 11:12, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
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WP:EXPLAIN
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Manual of Style/Words to watch. Request unopposed. Deryck C. 15:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * WP:EXPLAIN → Wikipedia:Explanationism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:EXPLAIN&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Proposing retarget to Manual of Style/Words to watch. The "explanationism" essay seems relatively obscure and this redirect for it is seldom used, and the guidance in the Wikipedia Manual of Style about being careful about using the word "explain" is important. I discovered this redirect when I wrote "WP:EXPLAIN" in an edit summary to provide the rationale for why I was replacing the word "explain" with "said", and then discovered that the link did not lead to where I thought it did. The redirect currently gets about one view every 4 days. From the time of creation of this redirect in 2006 until 2009, it led to a different place – what seems to now be WP:TALK. The change of the redirect destination in 2009 to its current target coincided with the creation of the essay by the same user. That user exhibited problematic editing behavior and was blocked a dozen times starting in 2005, and was indef-blocked in 2015 following an ANI consensus. I'm not particularly fond of the essay, which is only 7 sentences long and in my opinion doesn't provide a lot of value. Someone else retargeted the redirect to a different place in September 2012 (Editing policy), but self-reverted the change a month later (and retired not long after that). I have added a hatnote to the destination essay to inform readers of the other three alternative interpretations. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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Clicking Bad
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Deryck C. 15:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Clicking Bad → Cookie Clicker (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clicking_Bad&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I like the game, but it's not mentioned at the target or anywhere else.

( In case you're into meth empires: http://clickingbad.nullism.com/ ;) ) Paradoctor (talk) 16:56, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as failing WP:RPURPOSE. Looks like a different game altogether. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The game is one of the many descendants inspired by Cookie Clicker, which is alluded to in one of the upgrade options in the game, which allows you to "open a portal to another universe full of Cookies, err... Crystal Meth". Paradoctor (talk) 13:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. "Clicking Bad" was mentioned in the target article at the time it was redirected there, but the mention has understandably been removed at some point in the intervening four and a half years, and the game is now mentioned nowhere in the encyclopaedia, so there is no useful target for this redirect. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 22:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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NFL GameDay
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Thryduulf (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * NFL GameDay → NFL Network (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NFL_GameDay&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirects to NFL Network. But NFL GameDay (NFL Network show) also exists, and it would seem that that article should be at this title. Further, Sunday NFL Countdown used to be titled NFL GameDay... So maybe this should be converted to a WP:DABPAGE?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:18, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * On second thought, even with the Sunday NFL Countdown situation, this is at worst a WP:TWODABS situation – so it seems to me that NFL GameDay (NFL Network show) needs to be moved to NFL GameDay. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:46, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you are proposing a page move then you want WP:RM not WP:RFD. Thryduulf (talk) 17:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure, at first. But, yeah – this can be withdrawn, and I'll hit WP:RM on this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:01, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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J'aime aller a la peche
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 01:39, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * J'aime aller a la peche → Fishing (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J%27aime_aller_a_la_peche&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This term isn't used in the target article, so someone would not be able to learn of the significance of this phrase (if there is any?) at the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. This translates from French as "I like to go fishing" so the link to the target is clear in that sense, but it doesn't seem to have any significance as a phrase - it doesn't appear to be a media title, catchphrase, meme or anything like that. There is nothing at fr:J'aime aller a la peche or anything similar. The only place on Wikimedia it seems to be used is in a Wikibooks book about Louisiana French (Louisiana French/Time) where it is part of an example phrase - "Le lundi, j'aime aller à la pêche." ("On Mondays, I like to go fishing."). All in all not a useful search term for anything on the English Wikipedia (or probably even the French Wikipedia). Thryduulf (talk) 14:38, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as nonsensical. -- The Anome (talk) 15:11, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CHEAP. 100% of all people searching this would be looking for fishing. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 17:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, if anybody did search for this they would almost certainly be looking for fr:Pêche (halieutique). Per WP:FORRED redirects like this mislead that we have French language content here and make it harder for people to find French language content elsewhere. Finally, per my comment above, I'm not seeing any evidence that anybody is likely to be looking for this. Thryduulf (talk) 17:32, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. This looks like an excellent title for a Cajun or zydeco song – however, no such song seems to exist, to my sorrow. A Google search turned up nothing relevant at all. A worthless redirect. Narky Blert (talk) 07:51, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You could always write that song... Thryduulf (talk) 17:52, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hélas, je suis pas Joe Falcon ou Cléoma Breaux... :( Narky Blert (talk) 18:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete unnecessary redirect with no obvious rationale. not impressed with the keep vote above. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  09:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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King Hsss
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Indian Bull Terrier
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 * The result of the discussion was Wrong venue  . To make a new redirect, you follow the instructions at Help:Redirect or you can request a new redirect at WP:AFC/R. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 08:34, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Indian Bull Terrier → Gull Terr (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indian_Bull_Terrier&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Indian Bull Terrier should redirected into Gull Terr as its about the same dog breed. Dwanyewest (talk) 14:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you asking for permission to create this redirect? There hasn't been anything at this title since an article was speedy deleted (for no content, it was literally just an empty page categorised in Category:Dog breeds orginating in the Indian Subcontinent) in December 2007. You don't need permission to create such a redirect, just do it. If you can't for technical reasons, you should make a request at Articles for creation/Redirects (WP:AFC/R). Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I am asking permission for Indian Bull Terrier to be redirected to Gull Terr and because I don't know how to do redirects so if someone wants to do it on my behalf I would be most grateful. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Help:Redirect will teach you all you need to know. Thryduulf (talk) 17:01, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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Kunjali Marakkar (2018 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:49, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="Kunjali Marakkar (2018 film)">Kunjali Marakkar (2018 film) → Santosh Sivan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kunjali_Marakkar_(2018_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Kunjali Marakkar (2019 film)">Kunjali Marakkar (2019 film) → Santosh Sivan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kunjali_Marakkar_(2019_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention of a film by this name at the target, nor can I find any content about a film of this name post-dating Kunjali Marakkar (1967 film). If this and Kunjali Marakkar (2017 film) (nominated below) are deleted the the 1967 film should be moved over the Kunjali Marakkar (film) redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:11, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * <span id="Kunjali Marakkar (2020 film)">Kunjali Marakkar (2020 film) → Santosh Sivan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kunjali_Marakkar_(2020_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Adding the (2019 film) and (2020 film) redirects to this nomination. In addition to the above rationale, WP:CRYSTAL probably applies to these. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete: All the four redirects including the one I nominated below was created on the same day, which means the creator itself is uncertain about the film's release year. As of now, there's no such film in production.--<i style="color:darkorange">Let There Be Sunshine</i> 14:22, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. This may be Kunjali Marikkar IV, which seems to have been in development for ever. Get back to us if there's ever any sign of progress.
 * Also, support move Kunjali Marakkar (1967 film) -> Kunjali Marakkar (film), for obvious reasons. Narky Blert (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Narky Blert the move Kunjali Marakkar (1967 film) -> Kunjali Marakkar (film) is completed, as uncontroversial move over redirect.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  08:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete and support move, as per above comment. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 11:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete since the movie does not exist at the target.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  08:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Kunjali Marakkar (2017 film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:49, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


 * <span id="Kunjali Marakkar (2017 film)">Kunjali Marakkar (2017 film) → Santosh Sivan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kunjali_Marakkar_(2017_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

2017 is over and no such film has been made. --<i style="color:darkorange">Let There Be Sunshine</i> 09:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator, there is no mention of any film by this name at the target article and no mention on Wikipedia of a film of this name post-dating Kunjali Marakkar (1967 film) that I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. See my comments at Kunjali Marakkar (2018 film), above. Narky Blert (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the others. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 11:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as it does not exist. Neither in the real life nor on the target page. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  08:35, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Dilly Dilly
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn; Another Believer is going to address the inconsistency in a different way. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:38, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Dilly Dilly → Lavender's Blue (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dilly_Dilly&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think there's a good argument for either page being the target; the disambiguation page at Dilly is better. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 00:23, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * <span id="Dilly, Dilly">Dilly, Dilly → Anheuser-Busch brands (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dilly,_Dilly&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * For those who have avoided the latest Budweiser ad campaign: is a ref about it. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * https://www.businessinsider.com/bud-light-dilly-dilly-viral-commercial-super-bowl-campaign-2017-12
 * https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/morgan-stanley-says-beer-sales-are-rising-helped-by-dilly-dilly-ads.html
 * https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/dilly-dilly-a-marketing-expert-analyzes-highly-successful-bud-light-ad-campaign.html
 * There might actually be enough info for an article about the marketing campaign... I don't know if it's appropriate to create a stub while this discussion is ongoing, but I'd be willing to write a stub if editors would prefer that over a redirect page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:32, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you want to create an article about the campaign, I'm happy to speedy-close this (I assume it's permitted as nobody has !voted contrary). A hatnote can point to the poem if necessary. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:36, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd be willing to create a stub. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I assume some people will always associate "Dilly Dilly" (or "Dilly, Dilly") with the beer commercials (which is why I redirected both pages to Anheuser-Busch brands, originally). Another option is to redirect to Dilly. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Are there any other things Dilly Dilly can refer to besides the ancient rhyme and the Bud commercials? If there's only two, redirect to one and hat there to the other  p  b  p  00:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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