Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 1

April 1
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 1, 2019.

When the World Was at War We Just Kept Dancing
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:38, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * When the World Was at War We Just Kept Dancing → Lust for Life (Lana Del Rey album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=When_the_World_Was_at_War_We_Just_Kept_Dancing&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page just be deleted if the song is called "When the World Was at War We Kept Dancing", without "Just"? Richhoncho (talk) 23:46, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I created this page and I support deletion if not helpful. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:03, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Very few relevant hits. The song contains the lyric "when the world was at war before we just kept dancing" so it's not totally implausible, but the lack of "before" makes this an unlikely mistake. feminist (talk) 17:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Greater Sudbury
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Greater Sudbury → Greater Sudbury (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Greater_Sudbury&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is different from the portal→portal redirects listed below, because the target page is not and never has been an actual portal -- this title was created right from the jump as a redirect to the city's mainspace article, for no immediately discernible reason. I can find very few to no other examples of this being done for other cities -- even the creator himself never did it for any other city but this one, and there's never been any comprehensive practice of creating redirects from portalspace to mainspace for cities that don't actually have real portals. Bearcat (talk) 23:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete we don't need 5.8 million portal -> article redirects. Legacypac (talk) 23:25, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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Yosemite (Lana Del Rey song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Yosemite (Lana Del Rey song) → Lust for Life (Lana Del Rey album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yosemite_(Lana_Del_Rey_song)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention of a song of this name on target, unable to find another suitable target. Probably just another unconfirmed rumour that somebody has picked up. Richhoncho (talk) 23:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Mention or delete. According to the Lana Del Rey wiki, this is an unreleased song that was originally planned to be on the Lust for Life album but was ultimately cut. Normally that would be a straight delete, but the article mentions that she talked about it in interviews prior to the album's release and has done so since, explaining why it was dropped. If that can be verified in reliable sources (I haven't looked, but it seems likely) then it seems like it would be a useful addition to the article (possibly the "Background" section), especially as she apparently described it as her favourite song from the album. If it is mentioned then this should redirect to the relevant section, but if it isn't then it should be deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete and/or find sources to mention, per Thryduulf. I checked the article's edit history, and found evidence consistent with that story: "Yosemite" was named in the "confirmed songs" list that people were compiling from the advance publicity, but disappeared from the article as soon as that advance list of songs turned into an actual precise track order. What I was going to say at first was that I didn't know whether it was a song that got pulled at the last minute or a song that is on the album under a different title, but then I came back here and Thryduulf had posted their findings in the interim. So if we can find a source that says more about it than just glancingly namechecking its existence a single time as a song that was expected to be on the album, then that might be a worthwhile addition to the album's background section — but if all we can do is technically verify that it existed, then that's not really enough to warrant mentioning it or keeping the redirect. Bearcat (talk) 23:46, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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Baby smasher
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:40, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Baby smasher → Changing table (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baby_smasher&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect apparently references an obscure internet meme from ~2001 (see this website). I couldn't find any secondary sources for the meme, and there's nothing about it in the target article. gnu 57 21:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. signed,Rosguill talk 03:21, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom Legacypac (talk) 03:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per all the above. The Duke  22:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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Disguise Day
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:40, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Disguise Day → April Fools' Day (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Disguise_Day&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Internet Jackass Day → April Fools' Day (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet_Jackass_Day&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While celebrations of the holiday could certainly involve donning a disguise or being a jackass on the internet, these are not common synonyms, or mentioned in the target article. --BDD (talk) 20:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Legacypac (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:The Czech Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:40, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:The Czech Republic → Portal:Czech Republic (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:The_Czech_Republic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Useless portal ro portal redirect that does not help search. All portal pages are basically portals. Legacypac (talk) 17:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep anyone searching "Portal:The Czech Republic" would be looking for Portal:Czech Republic. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 19:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Tracks the mainspace redirect. Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:BodyBuilding
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Portal:African
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:African → Portal:Africa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:African&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless portal to portal redirect. Does not help with linking. Does not help with search. Clutter that impedes cleanup because it looks like a duplicate topic on lists of portals. Anyway an African is a class of person while Africa is a big place. Legacypac (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep "African" refers to "Africa", so there is no issue here. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. Someone using this link will end up at the portal that they are looking for. If this were Portal:Africans or targetted a narrower portal (e.g. a Portal:African music) then you might have a point, but it's fine as it is. Thryduulf (talk) 19:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Unlikely that a portal on African people (which is a subset of how this word is used anyway) would be created, so for now that's not an issue. Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:America
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:America → Portal:United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:America&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless portal to portal redirect. Does not help with linking. Does not help with search. Clutter that impedes cleanup because it looks like a duplicate topic on lists of portals. Legacypac (talk) 17:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep America is a redirect to United States, so this one matches likewise. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. If America is retargetted or becomes a disambiguation page this should be reconsidered, but as things stand America and Portal:America should not target different places. A hatnote to Portal:North America and any other related portals can be added if desired. Thryduulf (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Tracks the mainspace redirect. Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:00, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Data Encryption
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:43, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Data Encryption → Portal:Cryptography (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Data_Encryption&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless portal to portal redirect. Does not help with linking. Does not help with search. Clutter that impedes cleanup because it looks like a duplicate topic on lists of portals. In this case we have improbable capitalization and that one topic does not line up fully with the other Legacypac (talk) 17:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Of all the points in the nomination, only the last actually has any merit - portal to portal redirects are not pointless, whether it helps with linking or not is irrelevant, lists of portals can exclude redirects if they cause issues - that's something to discuss on the list talk page not a problem with redirects, capitalisation is not at all implausible (that would be something like Portal:DATA EnCryption) and it seems a perfectly logical search term to me. That it doesn't line up with the other topic is something worth investigating though, however it turns out not to be problematic. Data encryption redirects to Encryption, which links in a hatnote to Cryptography as the broader article. Therefore this is a redirect, which are generally useful to keep and I see no reason why this isn't - we have no need to encourage the creation of a portal at this title for example. Thryduulf (talk) 19:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. as Thryduulf says. The meaning is close enough, and this does have the virtue of discouraging an additional, unneeded, portal.  DGG ( talk ) 11:41, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Promotes anyone interested in creating this portal to working on the main one. Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:00, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Argentine
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Argentine → Portal:Argentina (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Argentine&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless portal to portal redirect. Does not help with linking. Does not help with search. Clutter that impedes cleanup because it looks like a duplicate topic on lists of portals. Also this term could refer to many things not just the country. Legacypac (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, "Argentine" is simply an adjectival form of Argentina, so anything "Argentine" will in some way refer to Argentina itself. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. If redirects cause issues with lists, then the solution is to fix the lists not delete the redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 19:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Unlikely that another competing portal will exist, nor that people would be confused by this showing up. If automated lists exist and are broken, they should be fixed. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Android OS
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Android OS → Portal:Android (operating system) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Android_OS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless portal to portal redirect. Does not help with linking. Does not help with search. Clutter that impedes cleanup because it looks like a duplicate topic on lists of portals. Legacypac (talk) 17:34, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, Android is commonly referred to as "Android OS". -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:52, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. This matches the Android OS → Android (operating system) redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Tracks the mainspace redirect. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:56, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:American revolutionary war
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) B dash (talk) 03:31, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:American revolutionary war → Portal:American Revolutionary War (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:American_revolutionary_war&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless portal to portal redirect. Does not help with linking. Does not help with search. Clutter that impedes cleanup because it looks like a duplicate topic on lists of portals. Also an improbable search term where someone remembers to capitalize the first word after portal but not the next two. Legacypac (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, harmless R from miscapitalization. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Pretty common capitalization method where generic terms in military battles, wars, etc. are often not capitalized.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:54, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:The Comoros
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:The Comoros → Portal:Comoros (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:The_Comoros&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless portal to portal redirect. Does not help with linking. Does not help with search. Clutter that impedes cleanup because it looks like a duplicate topic on lists of portals. Legacypac (talk) 17:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Comoros is commonly referred to with the definite article. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix, this matches the The Comoros redirect in mainspace. Thryduulf (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Tracks the mainspace redirect. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Ice Hockey
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Ice Hockey → Portal:Ice hockey (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Ice_Hockey&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Portal redirects are pretty useless. They look like duplicate portals on the list of all portals. They don't get used to link between portals or contextually like in articles. They don't do a better job than search results, and the amount of traffic the portals get does not justify the off chance someone will type the exact redirect string in search, vs the redirect clutter we have to deal with while cleaning up narrow focus and broken portals. The extra capitalization is irrelevent for search results Legacypac (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, harmless R from other capitalization. If you use Special:PrefixIndex to search for portals, there is a checkmark you can use to hide redirects to prevent any possibility of mistaking a redirect for a duplicate portal. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:48, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. Ice hockey is an example of a portal that I'd say is most likely to be searched for directly. Thryduulf (talk) 19:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Question To which list of all portals are you referring in the nom.? I have never seen such a list where the redirects are not distinguished from the targets, but if you point me to it, I will check it out. If you are referring to the subpages of WikiProject Portal/List of all portals, those pages are not maintained and won't change even if RfDs close as delete.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Valid alternative capitalization. Don't see potential for confusion. In search results, the main portal will have all its subpages before any alternatives/redirects. Other pages AFAIK are manually maintained, per UnitedStatesian. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:49, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Polish
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Polish → Portal:Poland (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Polish&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Portal redirects are pretty useless. They look like duplicate portals on the list of all portals. They don't get used to link between portals or contextually like in articles. They don't do a better job than search results, and the amount of traffic the portals get does not justify the off chance someone will type the exact redirect string in search, vs the redirect clutter we have to deal with while cleaning up narrow focus and broken portals. In this case Polish could refer to Polish people, places, foods, etc etc etc. Legacypac (talk) 17:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep . Anything "Polish" would be related to Poland, so this one is fine. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Striking per UnitedStatesian. I hate heteronyms... -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as unclear since Polish is a disambiguation page and the user could be looking for Portal:Polishing once it is created. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per UnitedStatesian, although this is currently unambiguous in portal space I would expect a Portal:Polish language to be created at some point. Thryduulf (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Since Portal:Poland is the only one with a portal right now, I think the presence of other potential portal topics from the DAB page isn't sufficient to justify deleting the page. That being said I can see the potential for confusion and misdirection. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Free and open source software
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 21:09, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Free and open source software → Portal:Free and open-source software (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Free_and_open_source_software&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Portal redirects are pretty useless. They look like duplicate portals on the list of all portals. They don't get used to link between portals or contextually like in articles. They don't do a better job than search results, and the amount of traffic the portals get does not justify the off chance someone will type the exact redirect string in search, vs the redirect clutter we have to deal with while cleaning up narrow focus and broken portals Legacypac (talk) 17:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, it makes sense to search this way without the hyphen. If the portal has a narrow focus or is broken, that is a problem with the portal, not the redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. If the target is deleted the redirect can be speedily deleted per WP:CSD, but while the portal exists this is a very likely search term for it. Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Very easy to delete redirects after deletion via CSD. Don't see a risk of conclusion if someone does see both in search results. If clutter is a concern, the first step would be excluding a portal's subpages from search results, which in this case block out this valid rendering of the portal topic out entirely. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Perl programming language
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 20:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Perl programming language → Portal:Perl (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Perl_programming_language&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Useless portal to portal redirect. This is clutter and makes it look like we have multiple portals in the same scope. Redirects in portal space don't get used as links like in Article space. Legacypac (talk) 16:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Perl is a programming language, so there is no confusion here. There are other purposes for redirects besides linking. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not in portal space. Legacypac (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Perl is a programming language in any space, Portal included. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirects do not serve much if any purpose in portal space Legacypac (talk) 03:37, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Where on earth do you get that idea? They are exactly as useful for searching as they are in other namespaces. They are also exactly as useful following page moves, although that's not relevant to this specific redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. The main article is at Perl so it is most likely that people will look for it at this title. Also per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 19:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. This tracks the mainspace redirect Perl programming language. The fact that it was created means that someone found it useful, and that the redirect might prevent future duplication of portals. Don't see how it's reasonable for someone to assume that if they do see both results somehow that we have willingly chosen to have two portals on the same topic. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:39, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Ottoman empire
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 20:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Ottoman empire → Portal:Ottoman Empire (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Ottoman_empire&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Useless redirect in portal space. If someone types this string the software already takes them to the target. Portal Redirects are not used in articles for linking like article redirects, and if this is used to link from some list, the link is wrong and should be corrected. This just adds clutter because it looks like a duplicate portal. Legacypac (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, harmless R from other capitalization. Linking is not the only usage of redirects, in portal space or otherwise. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. We do not require users to know the exact capitalisation when looking for pages on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 19:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Redirects are used for portals (see Category:Redirects to portals), though obviously with less frequency than in mainspace. This is a harmless redirect from an alternative capitalization. If this is used in a list, that seems perfectly fine, similar to how edits to avoid redirects are generally discouraged (WP:NOTBROKEN). It would prevent editors who do make the link from seeing the resultant red link and erroneously creating a duplicate portal. Not sure how this would create duplication, since AFAIK the navigation pages for portals are horribly out of date and manually maintained. If duplication does occur somewhere there should be a technically workaround for that. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:36, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Portal:Physical sciences
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Portal:Physical sciences → Outline of physical science (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Physical_sciences&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete Cross-namespace redirect targeted to a page that would engender WP:SURPRISE, and such CNRs are certainly WP:COSTLY given the very large number of "Outline of . . ." articles that exist. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:28, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Legacypac (talk) 16:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep or create a list/index of physical science portals. Portal → mainspace redirects are fine as a class, the topics here match 1:1 and there is unlikely to be a portal here given Portal:Science and portals for specific physical sciences (see Category:Physical science portals). A list/index/disambiguation page, either at this title or redirecting this title to it, would be best but in the absence of one of those the redirect serves readers better than a redlink does. Thryduulf (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete until or unless such a portal is created. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:47, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. —  Scott  •  talk  09:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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Kimme More
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Kimme More → Gimme More (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kimme_More&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another implausible redirect that was probably created for the user that accidentally presses the incorrect key on their keyboard. Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 13:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as there aren't any notable Kimmie Moores. There is a Kim Moore but no evidence that person goes by Kimmie. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC) updated 22:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, keep as it is listed as one of the remixes for Gimme More for Lil Kim. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete: Implausible typo; the official title of the song is "Gimme More", don't understand how someone would write a K instead. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, per AngusWOOF, Tavix and Headbomb. Although it still could be mistaken as a typo for "Gimme", and I doubt this remix is notable enough for someone to look for it. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per others Legacypac (talk) 21:03, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is the title of a remix that is listed at the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, mentioned in Gimme_More Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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Richest countries in the world
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Lists of countries by GDP. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Richest countries in the world → List of countries by GDP (PPP) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richest_countries_in_the_world&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are many ways to gauge how 'rich' a country is. I don't think it's a good to redirect this to a single article, List of countries by GDP (PPP), as the total GDP of a country does not necessarily reflect how richest it is. J ACKINTHE  B  OX   • TALK 13:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to List of countries by GDP dab as with Richest countries AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:12, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per AngusWOOF. Thryduulf (talk) 19:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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Thr Simpsons
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:11, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thr Simpsons → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thr_Simpsons&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Re-listing this after 10 years as an implausible redirect. Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 11:46, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Deletr per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible typo. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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The Flanders (tv show)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:11, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Flanders (tv show)">The Flanders (tv show) → The Simpsons (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Flanders_(tv_show)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No tv show with this name, created by a sockpuppet and it's also an implausible redirect. Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 11:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as there isn't a series by that name in Flanders (disambiguation) AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete misleading and improbable search term Legacypac (talk) 16:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Donotdelete
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:12, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Template:Donotdelete → Template:Under construction (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Donotdelete&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure why this redirects to Template:Under construction, as “this is under construction” wouldn’t be the only reason why a page shouldn’t be deleted. Also a template itself for this wouldn’t be appropriate, per this discussion. PorkchopGMX ( talk with me  -  what i've done ) 20:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The nominated redirect (Template:Donotdelete) and the deleted template, Template:DoNotDelete, appear to be entirely independent of each other - the redirect was created in 2007 and has pointed to template:Under construction (or that tempate's former name Template:Underconstruction) for its entire existence. The deleted template was created with the text "This page is protected from deletion." (italics in original) on 9 January this year (and nominated at TfD the same day). When the redirect was created the target template included the phrase "Please don't tag with a deletion tag unless the page hasn't been edited in several days." old revision. Thryduulf (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment There have also been other similar templates in the past: A Template:Don't delete, which read "This article contains verified information and so should not be speedied. If you think that the article should be deleted, then put it on Articles for Deletion." was created in November 2005 and deleted the following month following a discussion referencing . Dont delete simply said "Do not delete this!" briefly in 2016 (deleted under T3/G7), and "this is a minor edit dont delete" in August 2013 (deleted as a test page (G2)). Don'tdelete was more verbose: "The preserving of this article is permenant. The person placing this notice intends to dispute the speedy deletion of this article on its talk page, and requests that this page not be deleted in the meantime. Note that this request is not binding, and the page may still be deleted if the page unquestionably meets the speedy deletion criteria, or if the promised explanation is not provided very soon. This template should not be removed from a page still marked with a speedy deletion template." that template was created in September 2007 and speedily deleted (wp:CSD) in November that year. Template:Do not delete existed for a short time in 2010 solely to populate Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages, it was deleted at TfD after the category was deleted at CfD. Thryduulf (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B dash (talk) 09:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Confusing redirect Legacypac (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Unused, and no one would use it intending to call its target. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:43, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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Omar Shamshoon
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Non-English versions of The Simpsons. (non-admin closure) B dash (talk) 10:29, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Omar Shamshoon → Homer Simpson (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omar_Shamshoon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Supposedly the Arabic name for this character. Wikipedia is not a translator. Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 08:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Non-English versions of The Simpsons as it discusses the name changes. WhisperToMe (talk) 09:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Non-English versions of The Simpsons, as per WhisperToMe's rationale. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Non-English versions of The Simpsons per above. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
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Tina Ballerina
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 8%23Tina Ballerina

Dia-Betty
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Sweets and Sour Marge. --BDD (talk) 20:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Dia-Betty → List of recurring The Simpsons characters (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dia-Betty&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Character no longer appears in this list. Not notable enough. Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 07:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sweets and Sour Marge the episode that introduces the character and gives a little background to the character. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. feminist (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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