Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 14

April 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 14, 2019.

Character Assassination (comics)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 22%23Character Assassination (comics)

Tata Indicom photon+
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 22%23Tata Indicom photon+

Tropical Depression 27W (Urduja) (2009)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 23%23Tropical Depression 27W (Urduja) (2009)

Tropical Depression Tino
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget  to Typhoon Tino. (non-admin closure) B dash (talk) 05:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Tropical Depression Tino → 2009 Pacific typhoon season (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tropical_Depression_Tino&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

More than one storm named "Tino" B dash (talk) 06:40, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Typhoon Tino. CycloneYoris talk! 06:52, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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Tropical Depression Bising
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy retarget  to Typhoon Bising. (non-admin closure) B dash (talk) 05:06, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Tropical Depression Bising → 2009 Pacific typhoon season (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tropical_Depression_Bising&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

More than one storm named "Bising" B dash (talk) 06:38, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Typhoon Bising. CycloneYoris talk! 06:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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St. Joseph High Road
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 * The result of the discussion was keep and refine  to Ħamrun. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 19:20, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * St. Joseph High Road → Ħamrun (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St._Joseph_High_Road&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

R from merge, but no longer mentioned. Before the merge, it was a few sentences about how this is an important commercial road in the town. Despite the generic-sounding name, I can't find another road with this exact name, but it does mean that a reader searching for it is probably looking for specific information and is already aware of Ħamrun generally. BDD (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B dash (talk) 04:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Refine to Ħamrun where I added a small blurb (and a picture!). -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
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High Inquisitor
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 22%23High Inquisitor

Echinops (genus)
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . King of  &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Echinops (genus)">Echinops (genus) → Echinops (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Echinops_(genus)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are two genera called Echinops. Echinops is a plant, and there is also Echinops (mammal)./Echinops (tenrec) which redirect to Lesser hedgehog tenrec. Echinops (genus) previously pointed to the mammal, but it ambiguous. I've retargeted it to the plant, as that is the article at the base title. I'd prefer to just have it deleted. The only other option that really seems reasonable is to create a disambiguation page and have the (genus) redirect point there, but I don't think a two entry dab page is really warranted in this case. Plantdrew (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep While you know I highly respect your opinions on taxonomy, I don't see a problem with this one. I agree that a WP:TWODAB situation isn't desirable, but you've already solved the problem! As things stand now, the plant genus is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term "Echinops", and the plant genus is, of course, a genus. The existing hatnote will be just as useful to the reader who searches "Echinops (genus)" as the one who searches "Echinops". --BDD (talk) 18:57, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The standard addition for disambiguating genera is now "(KIND)", e.g. "(plant)", "(mammal)", "(frog)". We should strongly discourage use of the ambiguous "(genus)". (I wouldn't object to the strictly superfluous, but perhaps very occasionally useful, Echinops (plant).) Peter coxhead (talk) 19:47, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per BDD. Searching for "(genus)" is and will remain a very plausible search term for people looking for information on a genus - we don't require people to know our naming conventions in order to find the article they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 21:10, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. My preference is to delete because of ambiguity. If it is kept, the question then becomes what does it link to, or does it become a disambig page?....Pvmoutside (talk) 01:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Per BDD the plant genus is primary topic, and there is a hatnote to the mammal genus. It's a standard  to a primary topic, of which there are countless other examples. Thryduulf (talk) 09:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * so I have a question, I looked at pageviews for the plant and the animal. The animal has roughly 10 more looks per day than the plant. Should Echinops then become a redirect for Echinops (plant) and Echinops (mammal) or Echinops (tenrec)?.....Pvmoutside (talk) 11:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think that either there is no primary topic for "Echinops", or that the mammal article should remain where it is but that "Echinops" should redirect there then you need to start a requested move for the plant genus article. If you think the mammal article should be at "Echinops" you need to start a requested move for that article. However while there is an article about a genus at "Echniops" this redirect should point to it, regardless of what genus that is. If "Echinops" were to become a disambiguation page then this redirect should point to that disambiguation page. If "Echinops" becomes a redirect to an article about a genus at some other title then this redirect should point to that same article. If "Echinops" becomes (a redirect to) an article about something other than a genus, then "Echinops (genus)" should either be a disambiguation page or point to whichever genus is primary between the two. In no circumstances should "Echinops" and "Echinops (genus)" lead to articles about different genera. Thryduulf (talk) 12:10, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B dash (talk) 04:26, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Two issues here: (1) This does not need deletion, as a valid R from unnecessary disambiguation. (2) Redirecting to Echinops is appropriate, unless it is deemed not to be the primary topic and the page moved, per WP:2DABS. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:53, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
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Bandari music
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 * The result of the discussion was Procedural close  . Not a redirect page (non-admin closure) B dash (talk) 05:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Bandari music → Bandari dance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bandari_music&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Re-targeting "Bandari dance" to a new article for the subject matter Bandari dance, a draft of this stub article has already been created. Jooojay (talk) 03:34, 28 March 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Procedural close Bandari music was never a redirect to Bandari dance. In 2009, Bandari dance redirected to Bandari music. Then tried to create a standalone Bandari dance article from the redirect, but somehow reverted to the current redirect and then called this RFD. Draft:Bandari dance was created instead, which, if approved, would replace the redirect anyway. If the draft is rejected, recommend Bandari dance redirect to Persian dance where mentioned as an entry, or keep as is, pointing to Bandari music.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:58, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 *  Comment: Just a note, the 2009 redirect was with the tag "R with possibilities" and "R printworthy", see Template:R with possibilities. Sorry for any confusion in terms of the order of listing the redirect, most of this process is new to me. Jooojay (talk) 21:51, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
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Racism of low expectations
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 21%23Racism of low expectations