Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 3

April 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 3, 2019.

The Past is a Foreign Country
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 01:50, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The Past is a Foreign Country → Gianrico Carofiglio (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Past_is_a_Foreign_Country&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * The past is a foreign country → L. P. Hartley (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_past_is_a_foreign_country&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The former was (briefly) an article about a novel before it was redirected to the author. The latter has been targeted to various places at different times, but would perhaps make more sense as a redirect to The Go-Between. Is the difference in capitalisation sufficient to justify different targets? Listing here to find the best solution. PC78 (talk) 23:34, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Disambig at The Past is a Foreign Country and retarget the other there. The most famous use is probably The Go-Between, but the prhase is barely mentioned there. Also worthy of entries are Gianrico Carofiglio (to where the article behind the first redirect was merged), David Lowenthal (who has written two award-winning books with this title) and White Heat (miniseries) which used this as the title of the first episode. It was also the title of an episode of Australian Story according to the articles of at least two people mentioned in that episode, but it isn't mentioned in the article and there doesn't appear to be a list of episodes or anywhere else relevant to target an entry. Additionally, it is the alternative title of 과거는 낯선 나라다, known mainly in English as "The Past is a Strange Country" but all we have on that is an entry at List of South Korean films of 2008 so I'm unsure if that's worthy of a dab entry? There may be scope (I've not looked in enough detail) for a separate dab at The Past is Another Country and if so the two should be linked by see-alsos as the line from The Go-Between is frequently misquoted in that manner. Thryduulf (talk) 09:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Disambig at The Past is a Foreign Country and retarget the other there, per Thryduulf. Draft provided. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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Captive audience meetings
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Atatuerk
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) B dash (talk) 02:53, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Atatuerk → Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atatuerk&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems to be some Eubot translation error. Steel1943 (talk) 17:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Atatuerk" is the German language spelling of "Atatürk". There is no need for this the in en.WP. CeeGee 18:05, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep This does get plenty of use in English language contexts, but almost all of them machine translations, e.g., , . Thryduulf (talk) 09:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Somewhat common usage in English, per Thryduulf, and totally understandable. feminist (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hamburder
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Cliveden Glade
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:43, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

No mention in target article - no indication whether it's a name for location, or the hospital, or the new retirement village: not a useful redirect. No helpful ghits. Pam D  16:41, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Cliveden Glade → Canadian Red Cross Memorial Hospital (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cliveden_Glade&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fair point. Even after this short time since my edit, I can't quite work out where I got the Glade from. I won't oppose deleting the redirect. Gerbis (talk) 17:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. "Cliveden Glade" is not mentioned in the source. Nor is "Cliveden Village", now removed. Sam Sailor 07:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Have found a good source for "Cliveden Village" and will add when not on phone. Pam  D  15:04, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Pam  D  17:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Pam. I created a redirect from . Sam Sailor 09:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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Philippine Bausch
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 01:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Philippine Bausch → Pina Bausch (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philippine_Bausch&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nothing in article or visible in source refs to show that this version of name was used (there's a redirect from Philippina Bausch already) Pam  D  16:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as a categorised R from long name. Categorise as R from misspelling.This would appear to be a typical example of WP:CITOGENESIS. The first thing I notice is that German Wikipedia, with their reputation of accuracy, in de:Pina Bausch has the intro "Pina Bausch, eigentlich Philippine Bausch", and German Wikipedia does not have a redirect from de:Philippina Bausch at all.Looking at the  of our article, the first time a full name was introduced was in March 2006 in Special:Diff/41764364: "Pina (short for Philippine), was born ...". For the next several years we have an intro saying Philippine "Pina" Bausch. This is alterated in July 2011 in Special:Diff/440110710/440115698 to Philippina "Pina" Bausch with a note saying "according to some sources her birth name was Philippine".Looking at Google Book sources prior to 2011 we get2 hits on "Philippina Bausch". Notably none of these are in German. The first one is a 1997  source: The second is a 1998 source that  the aforementioned 1997 source:  But we get countless hits on "Philippine Bausch" prior to 2011.Interestingly, the additional book sources that say Philippina Bausch are all published after 2011.Perhaps , who is both familiar with the language and the topic, would like to comment? Sam Sailor 09:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep When a common name is a stage name, we should politely have redirects from all possible historic names. It's a service to readers who may search for one version or another. Waste of time to even discuss it. (ec) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sam Sailor's research is convincing that this is a useful redirect, and Gerda's point backs that up. Thryduulf (talk) 12:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination: sorry, should perhaps have done more of a "Before": Like I'm a great believer in redirects from every plausible version of the subject's name, but "Philippine" isn't currently mentioned anywhere, so I assumed it was a typo. 's excellent research shows that the "e" spelling used to be in our article but has got lost along the way. Of course this redirect is valid. I think we ought to have Philippine in the lead, with current footnote mentioning '...a".  Pam  D  15:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Have now put "..e" in as name in lead, and as one of two "other names" in infobox. Pam  D  15:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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Template:RE
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Template:Reply to. I've cleaned up the template uses, lmk if I missed anything ~  Amory  (u • t • c) 14:19, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Template:RE → Template:Reflist (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:RE&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is barely used redirect for reflist (about 136 times, although this is not always used for reflists) compared to reflist's 4708565 times. However, I believe it would make a lot more sense to use as a redirect for Re.

Re is short for reply, much like you have in emails. And in emails, this is very, very, very often capitalized as RE:... and when people forget that RE ≠ Re, then what happens is that the person they intended to notify, doesn't get notified. Non-mainspace use reveal this is not uncommon. I know I made that mistake at least a dozen of times this year alone, before having to go back and fixing my pings.

Henre, I propose we retarget Template:RE to redirect to Template:Reply to (after taking care of existing uses). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I support retargeting (after substing existing uses as appropriate), but note that re itself is a redirect, so RE should redirect to Reply to instead, to avoid the dreaded double redirect. I created this redirect 11 years ago, before pinging was a thing here.  — Jeff G. ツ 16:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I used Re so much I forgot that wasn't the main version of it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget The current target simply makes no sense to me. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 18:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 *  Keep - This redirect has been in place since 2008 and has probably been replaced thousands of times by reflist, therefore, the time for changing this redirect without confusion has long passed. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:32, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , there's already confusion out there (e.g. search for  in  for example. Retargeting to Reply to will minimize that confusion, and stop pings from being lost / not being sent. I also note that re used to redirect to reflist as well. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Retargeting as suggested makes sense to me. The current target reflist does not. Sam Sailor 09:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nomination and consistency with the RfD Headbomb dug out from 2013. —  Scott  •  talk  09:47, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget (as long as the transclusion for relist are fixed) Per the transclusion stats, indeed Talk:Westport, Connecticut uses this for example, intenting to link to the reply template. I would note that Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 September 1 was closed as retarget to the reply to template.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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KFMASH
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Mister Bone Saw
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Greivous Bodyguard
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Greivous Bodyguard → General Grievous (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greivous_Bodyguard&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target article. This used to point to IG-100 MagnaGuards, and while they are currently mentioned in other articles, this is an unhelpful redirect as it is also misspelled and miscapitalised. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:51, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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Dark lord of the sith Darth Revan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Dark lord of the sith Darth Revan → Revan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dark_lord_of_the_sith_Darth_Revan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a description followed by the characters actual name. It's not a title, and even if it was it's miscapitalised. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Darth Revan already exists, the mixed caps is really confusing AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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Darth Revan's Force Ghost
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Darth Revan's Force Ghost → Revan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Darth_Revan%27s_Force_Ghost&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A trivial occurrence of this character in a video game, which isn't even mentioned in the target article. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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Lumpy's stuffed bantha
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 21:30, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Lumpy's stuffed bantha → Chewbacca (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lumpy%27s_stuffed_bantha&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A fictional toy that points to an article that doesn't mention it, for good reason. It has a passing mention at Star Wars Holiday Special but I don't think it's notable enough to justify a redirect. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as unused in the target article and an unlikely search term for the parent article. ——  SerialNumber  54129  12:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Legacypac (talk) 22:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, or redirect to the special where mentioned in a trivia list. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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Justice Medley
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  as withdrawn. (non-admin closure)  ——  SerialNumber  54129  11:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Justice Medley → ...And Justice for All (album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justice_Medley&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No use of the word 'Medley' on the target page, can't fathom what was intended, (a live medley of some of the songs from the album?). Doesn't appear to serve any reasonable purpose. Richhoncho (talk) 12:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, mainly the early 90s. See ; San Diego in '92 was a particularly fine vintage, I seem to remember :)   ——  SerialNumber  54129  12:33, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems unlikely. PeterTheFourth (talk) 12:43, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve the target article so that it explains this. Eye of the Beholder (song) states, for instance, "The song has not been performed live in its entirety since 1989. It has, however, always formed part of the medleys of songs from …And Justice for All often played by the band in concert during the 1990s as an alternative to playing full songs, many of which were seen as too difficult because of the numerous guitar parts. One such "Justice Medley" was featured on its 1993 live album Live Shit: Binge & Purge. As noted, the album Live Shit: Binge & Purge also contains a track titled "Justice Medley", as does the album Nowhere Else to Roam, but these, too, are references to the current redirect target. bd2412  T 12:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep (first choice) or retarget to Live Shit: Binge & Purge. See . The medley is mentioned in the target article: "The Frayed Ends of Sanity" debuted live in Helsinki on the Metallica By Request tour in 2014,[77] although the band had previously played segments during solos, impromptu jams, or in a "Justice" medley. feminist (talk) 13:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WITHDRAW as nominator. Thanks to the diligent work by the 2 editors above, I have already redirected to Live Shit: Binge & Purge.--Richhoncho (talk) 11:30, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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June 18, 1976
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 21:29, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="June 18, 1976">June 18, 1976 → Pedro the Lion (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=June_18,_1976&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Originally a redirect to an EP which was redirected to the same target page. No further mention of this song on target page. Could be considered a confusing redirect. Richhoncho (talk) 09:11, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as a day in history. Legacypac (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete some specific dates make good redirects to events that are strongly associated with that date (e.g. September 11, 2001, 7 July 2005, November 11, 1918, 4 June 1989) but neither the 1976 or June 18 articles indicate that there was anything particularly special about that day. Thryduulf (talk) 09:56, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as bizarre. ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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Delimar Vera
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  Thryduulf (talk) 12:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delimar Vera → Little Girl Lost: The Delimar Vera Story (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delimar_Vera&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Why does this redirect to a loosely connected film? It should either have its own page, or no redirect at all. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me &#124; Contributions). This message was left at 08:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - because the film is about the girl named in the redirect. At any point, if the girl is deemed notable enough for an article (which is doubtful), the redirect can be converted. Until then a redirect to a film about her is definitely viable. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 11:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per onel5969. ——  SerialNumber  54129  12:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above. Readers who are interested in the subject will find the only relevant article this way. bd2412  T 04:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per all above. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn: I have decided that based upon the above votes, that this request should be withdrawn. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me &#124; Contributions). This message was left at 10:37, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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Lambda Omega sorority Norroena
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Wikipedia:WEAK
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Portal:Current events/Canada
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Portal:Current events/Canada">Portal:Current events/Canada → Portal:Canada (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/Canada&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

An illogical redirect from an abandoned page. You will not find current events at the Canada portal - these portals don't get updated often enough. Legacypac (talk) 01:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as superfluous. ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:37, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree with nom. Sam Sailor 08:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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