Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 28

December 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 28, 2019.

Zoness
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:57, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Zoness → Star Fox (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zoness&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Setting not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 23:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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Big cocks
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 23:24, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Big cocks → Big Cock (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_cocks&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The disambiguation page at the target does not disambiguate "Big cocks". Perhaps Human penis size? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget per nom as a plausible search term. The entries in the dab page are all proper names in the singular, and I take it that no-one who types this with will be interested in gigantic roosters. – Uanfala (talk) 15:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep – Human penis size is already included at the dab page so anyone looking for that can still find it. Given the various Big Cock options listed at the dab, I think we should keep the current target to avoid surprising readers. signed,Rosguill talk 00:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 23:18, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep while I suspect most of the searches will be for the lulz, a DAB page is the best place to land for the serious ones. Human penis size is listed there for those looking for that specifically. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, nothing defuses someone immaturely searching "big cocks" like a completely straight-faced disambiguation page with no cocks on it. Retargeting to an article on penis size doesn't seem necessary, given the disambiguation page does offer that link if someone was honestly looking for it; and any of the targets listed on the page could easily be mistakenly pluralised. This is probably a page that wouldn't need to exist if it wasn't a dirty phrase - none of the targets actually have independent pages - but I certainly think the present situation is optimal given all that. ~ mazca  talk 22:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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Concord, Buckinghamshire
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:55, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Concord, Buckinghamshire → Wendover (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Concord,_Buckinghamshire&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, there isn't a settlement or even "other feature" with the name on the OS maps, however there is Concord House at SP8806. There was a previous RFD at Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 March 13 for similar redirects and I assumed they had been deleted until I checked List of places in Buckinghamshire. Vision of Britain also doesn't return anything for this, nor is it in the Domesday Book. While we have a low inclusion bar for redirects I don't think we can have them to a town that might contain many that are unverifiable names, that is to say the plain name "Concord" has no verifiable usage. Google or Books also does't bring up anything. 20th century maps do however show "Concord" but its quite possible that that only applies to a single building.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 22:55, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. The only thing I can find which is even close is Temple of Concord and Victory at Stowe House, a garden building. Narky Blert (talk) 12:37, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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South Sudanese English
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:53, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * South Sudanese English → Anglic languages (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_Sudanese_English&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sudanese English → Anglic languages (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sudanese_English&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No relevant info at the current target (that's completely the wrong article), or the previous target (English language: too broad to ever have anything relevant). Nothing relevant either at the two other potential targets: Languages of South Sudan and Education in South Sudan – they might both mention the status and use of English (and so would be suitable targets for a redirect like English in South Sudan), but they don't have anything to say on the presumed variety of English that's peculiar to South Sudan. If such a variety exists, then it's probably best to have a WP:REDLINK incentive for article creation. – Uanfala (talk) 22:52, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Adding Sudanese English: exactly the same situation. There's nothing relevant at either Languages of Sudan or Education in Sudan. This redirect was previously a very short article (between 2007 and 2013), but it was unsourced and I don't see anything recoverable from its content. – Uanfala (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both. Enwiki has no information about the subject. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:06, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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Redirects created by Sk1728
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 * The result of the discussion was Redirect Mindy Basser to Jonathan D. Gray, delete others  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:53, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Luisa Ruocco → List of philanthropists (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luisa_Ruocco&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Mindy Basser Gray → List of philanthropists (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mindy_Basser_Gray&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Santoshi Shetty → Social media (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Santoshi_Shetty&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention of these people at the target articles. I would suggest deletion per WP:REDLINK. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget Mindy Basser Gray to Jonathan D. Gray, where she (or someone else by her name) is mentioned. Delete the others who seem non-notable (I can't find sufficient independent, reliable coverage of either of them to even warrant a mention in a list). Glades12 (talk) 19:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, retarget, delete per Glades. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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Juul and Alexa PenaVega
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Neither target seems to have any relationship with the languages the redirects are in, leading to consensus that these both are inappropriate redirects per WP:FORRED. ~  mazca  talk 22:47, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Джул">Джул → Juul (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%94%D0%B6%D1%83%D0%BB&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="А. Вега">А. Вега → Alexa PenaVega (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%90._%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No relationship with post-Soviet States. 49.146.12.240 (talk) 16:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Джул: "Juul launched in Russia in late-2018". Delete А. Вега per WP:FORRED. I don't really understand why these are grouped together. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:18, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both per WP:FORRED since both topics neither originated from a country with the language of he redirects, nor has affinity with the language. Steel1943  (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both per WP:FORRED. signed,Rosguill talk 19:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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Liberal consensus
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep.  (non-admin closure) &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Liberal consensus → Modern liberalism in the United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liberal_consensus&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete - Redirects only to specific and quite limited information, would be better expanded to full article. Jonpatterns (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Isn't it just the same thing as the Washington Consensus about the Bretton Woods system? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * After doing some research it looks like the term has a number of uses, one is specific to American politicsm another being Embedded liberalism - which produced Bretton Woods. Therefore, I've a converted the page into and disambiguation page. Jonpatterns (talk) 16:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
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K.A.M.
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Kam (disambiguation). (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 16:51, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * K.A.M. → K. A. Manoharan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K.A.M.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Besides being out of line with MOS:INITIALS, these redirect are partial title matches that could refer to other targets, such as K. A. Mani or K. A. Mathiazhagan. I would suggest deletion due to the ambiguity. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 15:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * K.a.m. → K. A. Manoharan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K.a.m.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Retarget to Kam (disambiguation), which covers the initialism KAM. - Eureka Lott 18:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Eureka. I wouldn't want these created, but since they already exist then retarget. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:23, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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Starship orbital prototype
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Tau Neutrino
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn  . (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 16:18, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Tau Neutrino → Neutrino (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tau_Neutrino&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neutrino is not a proper noun and should not be capitalised. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The redirect has existed for over 14 years. It is possible that there are external links that would be broken by deleting the redirect. Keeping it causes no damage to the encyclopedia. There is no reason to delete it. ~ GB fan 13:21, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep – while I agree that it shouldn't be capitalized, this redirect is a cheap, harmless R from miscapitalisation. ComplexRational (talk) 13:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Closed as nominator, tagged with R from miscapitalisation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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Electron Neutrinos
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Electron neutrino. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Electron Neutrinos → Neutrino (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electron_Neutrinos&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Incorrect capitalisation, neutrino is not a proper noun. I don't think a redirect from the plural form is useful in this case anyway. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget Keep The redirect has existed for over 10 years. It is possible that there are external links that would be broken by deleting the redirect. Keeping it causes no damage to the encyclopedia. An article name shouldn't be a plural but there is no reason a redirect can't be a plural. There is no reason to delete it. ~ GB fan 13:24, 28 December 2019 (UTC) (Edited) Retarget to Electron neutrino.  ~ GB fan 01:15, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep only for the possibility of preserving links and 70 pageviews in the last year (not a lot, but I've seen far fewer). Redirects are cheap, but I'm not convinced that both incorrect capitalization and pluralization are useful in contrast to only one of them (which would be far more likely). ComplexRational (talk) 17:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Changing to weak retarget to Electron neutrino or delete per Uanfala below and the rest of my comment above. I can't believe I overlooked electron neutrino. ComplexRational (talk) 00:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Electron neutrino or delete: a separate article has existed since early 2010, and the fact that as a result the redirect has been targeting the wrong article for almost a decade is, in my opinion, a strong argument against its existence. That's the true cost of a redirect: the misleading of readers when a redirect hasn't been updated to keep pace with the encyclopedia's evolving topic structure. – Uanfala (talk) 23:38, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Electron neutrino as an alternate capitalisation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:26, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Electron neutrino, obviously. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:13, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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Bill Gowers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Nobody's been able to spot any evidence that the current target is ever actually referred to by this name. ~  mazca  talk 15:54, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Bill Gowers → Timothy Gowers (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Gowers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article doesn't mention, and I can find no source, that Timothy Gowers is known as "Bill". I suggest delete since Bill Gowers is potentially ambiguous with Billy Gowers. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:26, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – I also can't find anything calling the footballer "Bill Gowers", so it's potentially misleading and not clearly useful. ComplexRational (talk) 17:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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Second party
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First-party source
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Arıana Grande Býtera
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . It's now been identified as to what language this actually came from, but regardless the consensus here is that this is an inappropriate foreign-language redirect as per WP:FORRED ~  mazca  talk 15:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * <span id="Arıana Grande Býtera">Arıana Grande Býtera → Ariana Grande (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ar%C4%B1ana_Grande_B%C3%BDtera&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

this is clearly the official romanized Ариана Гранде Бутера. 49.146.12.240 (talk) 03:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm not sure I understand the nom's statement, but WP:FORRED would appear to apply nonetheless. signed,Rosguill talk 04:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. I don't understand how it is the "official romanized" name of a person whose full name is written in the Latin alphabet as . The "i" in "Ariana" is actually U+0131 LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I, the Y is U+00DD LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE U+00FD LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE . These are indeed used to transliterate Cyrillic letters, but this is an erroneous back-translation. 84.236.27.55 (talk) 05:56, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is Ariana Grande's full name in Latin-script Kazakh (see her article in Kazakh Wikipedia, which still uses Cyrillic, and lists her name as what the nom gives). As she does not seem to have any ties to Kazakhstan, WP:FORRED should apply. Double sharp (talk) 14:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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