Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 3

December 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 3, 2019.

Ivan, Ontario
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn  Thryduulf (talk) 15:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Ivan, Ontario → Middlesex Centre (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ivan,_Ontario&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention of Ivan at the target article and a reader will find nothing about it there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just add the names of the missing communities to Middlesex Centre? Magnolia677 (talk) 20:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * why didn't I? Because I would never have found that source. Why didn't you? Never mind, I've done it now. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Retarget to User:Ivanvector. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:25, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha ha ha, but yeah I grew up 20km from there, and I've driven up Middlesex County Road 17 a hundred million times, and I don't remember this crossroads ever having been signed "Ivan". I thought it was Varna, or "where you turn to get to Scott's place", or "that hill where you have to take your foot off the gas on the way to Grand Bend". However, it is unambiguous: there is not another Ivan, Ontario. So, marginally, keep. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 01:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn by nom: thanks to Magnolia for the source (and to Ivanvector for his trip down memory lane!). I've added a comprehensive list to the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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Ethnic minorities in British media
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:31, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Ethnic minorities in British media → Muslims in British media (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ethnic_minorities_in_British_media&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect only exists because of a move to a more correct page title, as Muslims and ethnic minorities are different things. Helloimahumanbeing (talk) 19:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This is a redirect from a move, but the target was at this less than a day and the sole author prior to the move has contributed since so they will be able to find it. I would have preferred a redirect to an article that does discuss ethnic minorities in British media but I've not been able to find any. Thryduulf (talk) 10:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Obvious case of a that should have been suppressed as a serious misnomer.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:20, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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K word
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . I've done so at K-word, which seemed most grammatically correct, and retargeted the others there. --BDD (talk) 16:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * K word → Kaffir (racial term) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K_word&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * K-word → Kaffir (racial term) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K-word&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The K word → Kaffir (racial term) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_K_word&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The K-word → Kaffir (racial term) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_K-word&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous redirect; not exclusive to the racial term. Jalen Folf  (talk)  19:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What are the other uses? --BDD (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary says it can also refer to kike. – Uanfala (talk) 16:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Are there enough entries to make it a disambiguation / set index, as with S word or T word?
 * KWord word processing product
 * Kike: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/rgddy6/can-jewish-rappers-use-the-k-word https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/chris-kraus-k-word/
 * Kaffir: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/nov/28/whataboutthekword https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/world/africa/south-africa-hate-speech.html https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/why-the-k-word-is-not-just-the-k-word-20180404  BBC programme The 'K' Word https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0006ztz/episodes/guide  related to the South African one.
 * Kapo: https://forward.com/opinion/363003/kapo-is-the-jewish-n-word/
 * Kashmir: https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/22/when-will-trump-and-hillary-use-the-k-word-kashmir-pakistan-trump-clinton/ https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/pak-raises-k-word-at-un-again-india-denounced-pakistan-as-failed-state/videoshow/63247745.cms
 * Katrina the K Word, a play based on Hurricane Katrina, being presented at multiple universities https://news.chapman.edu/2015/09/16/katrina-the-k-word/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/trajincschped.20.2.0015 also in general for Katrina: https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-katrina-rebuilds-20070901-story.html
 * K-tuple, k-word as used in DNA sequencing, would have to be added somewhere in either Tuple or DNA sequencing articles https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8037707 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022519312005358 https://www.cs.helsinki.fi/bioinformatiikka/mbi/courses/09-10/itb/Lecture_100909.pdf
 * Also words that begin with the letter K
 * wiktionary: k-word
 * KWRD-FM, "The Word"  (put in See also)

AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Convert to disambiguation per AngusWOOF.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Type casting
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Typecasting (disambiguation). Unanimous support, so consider this a "withdraw". (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Type casting → Typecasting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Type_casting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Type cast → Typecasting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Type_cast&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't seems that the target is traditionally known by the version of the phrase that has a space. For this reason, I'm thinking these redirects should be retargeted to Typecasting (disambiguation). Steel1943 (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging participants of Talk:Typecasting. Steel1943  (talk) 20:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Be bold and just retarget it to the disambig page. Unclear this even required discussion since those originally redirected to the disambig page anyway.  SnowFire (talk) 20:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * A hard consensus for this wasn't completely clear in the discussion. There seemed to be support for it, but it wasn't mentioned across the board. Steel1943  (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to disambiguation Per SnowFire.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed that retargeting to disambig is the best solution. I have actually seen typecasting in the film/tv sense spelled with a space, but it seems rare. If I saw it with a space I think I would assume that movable type was the referent.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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Clown college
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 17:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Clown college → Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clown_college&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per circus school, this is not the only school where one can study to be a clown. Suggest retargeting or deletion. Smartyllama (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to circus school, as a "Clown College" is basically the same thing, and it shouldn't point to a specific school. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 05:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and hatnote to circus school Ringling's seems to be the only one that consistently uses the Clown College term.    Most schools use clown school and those can redirect to circus school.  Also note that Clown College redirects to Ringling's  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and hatnote per AngusWOOF. The circus school article is sufficiently stubby that it's not a particularly high-value target for a redirect, and it seems correct that the Ringling Bros one is the only one that's consistently referred to itself as a Clown College. With a hatnote, I think the best balance is struck. ~ mazca  talk 12:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 17:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and hatnote per the above. PS: agreed with James-the-C. and Dmehus that future disambiguation is a possibility, e.g. after clown-instruction-specific expansion at circus school, or a spinoff article.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC); rev'd. 19:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and add hatnote to circus school per above. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. The hatnote could be useful. Future disambiguation might also be a possibility, too, as makes a strong case. I would be supportive of retargeting to Clown school with a similar hatnote as well. I'm pleasantly surprised to see  participate in RFD, which is arguably the friendliest and most collegial of the XfDs, if I might say so. Doug Mehus  T · C  02:51, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I make my rounds. Most XfD's don't attract my attention unless I'm notified/pinged, and then I tend to plough through the remainder of them on the same day's worth of listings.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:03, 5 December 2019‎  (UTC)
 * Ah, interesting. Cool. I'll try and remember to ping you when I see an interesting RfD in which I think you'd like to weigh in, assuming that's not allowed. I should it's probably okay because it's only one ping and, crucially, I'd have absolutely no idea which way you would be inclined to support. So the ping would be entirely neutral. Doug Mehus T · C  16:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , that's rather the opposite of what I advised with regard to pinging people. If you keep drawing particular people to discussions, it looks like WP:FACTION behavior. And overuse of the tool can be a bit oppressive. E.g., when I logged in just now, I had 6 new "alerts" waiting. They were all you.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , oops, sorry. I haven't yet your e-mail message with advice. I'll refrain from the pings even though I meant well. Doug Mehus T · C  20:15, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries; I almost didn't want to say anything, so as not to be a damper on your energy and enthusiasm for zipping about and working on stuff. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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Death of Dennis Ritchie
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus , leaning keep. A redirect that few would have created, but fewer still would see as harmful. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 00:34, 22 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Death of Dennis Ritchie → Dennis Ritchie (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Death_of_Dennis_Ritchie&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Found it initially in the "Deaths by person in the United States" category, redirects to Dennis Ritchie. His death is not a notable event and really does not need a redirect page.  Grey joy talk 09:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Not useful and not a potential article. Johnuniq (talk) 09:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep with 57 views last year this is clearly a useful redirect, that takes people to the only content they could be looking for. Absolutely no benefit to deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 13:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. 57 views per year is clearly not useful. Ritchie's death was not a notable event, and the stats back up that this is not something actively searched for. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:26, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So we should make it harder for nearly 5 people a month to find the content they are looking for while providing no benefit to anybody? What is your justification for treating readers so poorly? Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You're conflating pageviews with usefulness. We cannot presume that everyone who uses a redirect is helped by it. Hypotheticals aside, the nominator's rationale is an example of someone who used the redirect and was disappointed by where they ended up. -- Tavix ( talk ) 12:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Its absence could provide a benefit to readers: it would reduce the search results, and so make them more relevant. Undoubtedly I would benefit by having a bus stop directly outside my front door, but its absence benefits other passengers. 94.21.78.76 (talk) 05:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: Useful and harmless redirect. Neither rare usage nor lacking in notability are reasons to delete redirects. Geolodus (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - as per WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. 5 a month isn't a lot, but it is something.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 23:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I would not have created this, but I don't see a compelling reason to delete it. --BDD (talk) 17:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete Nothing special about the circumstances concerning his death that would make it an event. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per the "redirects are cheap" principle. If it helps ~5 readers per month and confuses no one, there's not a compelling delete rationale.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly weak per above, but I'd prefer to see at least an added to the redirect page post-close or in tandem with the close. --Doug Mehus  T · C  19:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I just added it; I don't see why you'd have to wait for the closure to do something that uncontroversial. Glades12 (talk) 18:52, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak keep BDD summarizes my thoughts well. I wouldn't have created this, but I wouldn't have deleted this. It doesn't hurt the wiki for this redirect to exist. There is incoming traffic to this redirect, enough to warrant it be kept. ~ riley  ( talk  ) 06:06, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per BDD - redirects are cheap --DannyS712 (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep; no real point in deleting it (or creating it, for that matter, but that's over and done with). Happy Festivities! //  J 947  (c) 04:55, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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Religious vilification
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Religious intolerance. --BDD (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Religious vilification → Blasphemy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religious_vilification&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Perhaps not delete, but I think the target is wrong here. Perhaps it means different things in different countries, but https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/racial-vilification-law-australia http://austlii.community/foswiki/VicDiscrimLRes/Racialandreligiousvilification https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/vilification https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.20851/j.ctt1t3051j.10?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:50, 24 November 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. → Blasphemy too. 94.21.78.76 (talk) 15:05, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. We have both Religious hatred and Religious intolerance, but neither is perfect. 94.21.78.76 (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Religious hatred redirects to Religious intolerance - probably the best fit, perhaps with a hatnote to redirect to Blasphemy? I think that article needs to be better defined though, so as to include hate speech and/or terrorist acts and/or political/community groups which are targeted against a specific religion; and linked via See also to Hate speech. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:05, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Clerk note - What's your suggestion? Disambiguate? Retarget an article of your choice? Deryck C. 18:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Response to clerk note - I reckon retarget to Religious intolerance. I'll put it on my list to edit the lead of that article to suit. (I don't know about the "Vilification of religion" redirect mentioned above - that's an odd phrase and I'd probably get rid of it altogether, myself.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * I would retarget both religious vilification and vilification of religion to religious intolerance. Both terms are vague and broad, but so is that target article, which (briefly) covers both intolerance of one religious majority against other religions, and general intolerance toward or suppression of religion. The page really could use a lot of development (e.g. communist progroms against religious communities resulting in millions of deaths; recent-ish controversies surrounding "new atheism" (Richard Dawkins, etc.). But even as it stands now, it's a reasonable target.  I don't think either term could be useful for a stand-alone article, so red-linking it would a) imply WP has nothing to offer on the subject, which is wrong, and b) inspire creation of WP:Content forks, which would also be wrong.  The target blasphemy really makes no sense, though.  PS: I tend to suspect that religious hatred should merge to religious intolerance.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:29, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, agree that the article could be improved greatly. Religious hatred does currently redirect to religious intolerance though, when I enter it; there is no separate article. Shall I go ahead and do the redirects, or is it for one of the clerks or admins here to do? (Just ping me to make sure I see it, if I need to act.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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Spindle (fire making)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Bow drill. --BDD (talk) 22:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Spindle (fire making)">Spindle (fire making) → Fire making (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spindle_(fire_making)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article doesn't indicate that there is a fire-making tool called a spindle, nor that "spindle" in fire making has a definition anything other than the regular use of the word. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Which regular use of the word? 94.21.78.76 (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. A spindle is a component of a bow drill and a pump drill which are used for fire making, but spindle in this context doesn't have any special meaning beyond a normal use of the word.  However, since the spindle is in fact mentioned in the "Friction" section of fire making, the redirect has at least minimal utility.  Since redirects are cheap, minimal utility is enough to keep it.  Gnome de plume (talk) 15:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Comment If this is kept (I'm unsure if I support this currently) it should be refined to the Fire making section. Thryduulf (talk) 14:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to bow drill where the spindle is described in more detail -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Lenticel. I would have suggested this myself, but L. beat me to it. (And I've actually made fire that way! It's hard.)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:30, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Wine store
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Liquor store. I'll also tag with R from subtopic. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Wine store → Liquor store (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wine_store&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wine shop → Enoteca (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wine_shop&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think these two should have different targets. By its own description, an enoteca is just one type of wine shop. On the other hand, a liquor store is a broader topic. There's no reason we couldn't have an article at one of these titles (compare Beer shop), but I don't think deletion would be productive here. Right now, I'm leaning towards Liquor store as the target. Thoughts? --BDD (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree, Liquor store for both. Johnbod (talk) 22:08, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Liquor store with hatnote to enoteca. If there's a third target, I would also support a DAB page. Wug·a·po·des​ 00:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Send both to enoteca. A liquor store sells all kinds of alcohol; an enoteca focuses on wine and the literal meaning of "enoteca" is "wine store". Deryck C. 18:05, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget both to liquor store with redirects here hatnote to go to enoteca and winery. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to enoteca per above. I was going to say Liquor store, but enoteca is a more specific target. This should be without prejudice to potential creation of a disambiguation page, which I just might do. I support the hatnote(s) proposed by, though. (Full disclosure: my sister manages a non-notable wine store in Calgary.) --Doug Mehus  T · C  02:57, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Oh administrator nominated this. Since they was uncertain as to redirect target, pinging them based on the recent !votes. Doug Mehus  T · C  03:01, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * you should not assume gender. If you do not know and do not want use a gender neutral construction, you can use or a related template (see the documentation there), e.g. they . You also do not need to tag everyone every time you mention them, and whether a nominator or commenter at an XfD discussion is an admin or not is not relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * oh, that's an interesting template! Thank you! I did not know we had such a thing, or that we could even set our preferred gender pronoun in our "preferences." Very cool. What would make that even better is if that template also included a ping in the username, or at at least had a "p=[y/n]" parameter. I will try and remember that. As for including administrator before certain admins usernames, I do that as a sign of respect for admins which exemplify the model editor behaviour, knowledge of policies, neutrality, objectivity, etc., like an honourific. If, on the other hand, I am less enamoured by an admin, then I don't. You are most definitely in the former camp. :)Doug Mehus T · C  14:37, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Do NOT use "administrator" as an honorific. It is not one. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:06, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, didn't know about the template either. Very cool! (I've long been in Category:Male Wikipedians, though.) As for the target, any reasonable option that syncs these redirects up is an improvement to me. Enoteca still looks like a specialized type of wine shop; there are wine stores that mostly or exclusively sell wine (i.e., not beer or liquor) without being an enoteca. Still, with two concepts so close, this isn't a good candidate for redlink deletion. Enoteca is my second choice. --BDD (talk) 14:47, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , ah, is that how the template identifies our gender, if the editor has tagged their userpage (presumably not usertalk page?) with an appropriate gender category? I couldn't find anything in the actual Wikipedia site preferences. To your latter comment, BDD, I see your point in that Enoteca is a specialized wine shop and liquor stores also sell wine. I'd probably still prefer Enoteca as my first choice, with the hatnote, but actually, a disambiguation page might be the way to go (with Wine shop redirecting to the dab page, which could also have the effect of serving as the redirect to use when one intentionally needs to link to a dab page). Doug Mehus T · C  14:55, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can set gender in your preferences. It's under the Internationalisation section of the User profile tab. I suspect this is what the template is drawing from, though I'm surprised only he and she are offered there. --BDD (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I'll skip the tag this time since we're both active on this page. I missed that. I find it odd that it's under the "Internationalisation" section. I would've thought including it at the bottom of "Basic info" would've been more intuitive. I did see, (When mentioning you, the software will use gender neutral words whenever possible), but that's a curious option. Why not say, Gender neutral? --Doug Mehus T · C  15:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Wow, that's really cool, and it works with them as well. Thank you, administrator ., since you mentioned this as well in an unrelated talkpage discussion, my problem with misidentifying editors'/administrators' gender has been solved with the they/them templates. --Doug Mehus T · C  14:42, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

PS: I just did some overhauling at Beer shop (and made sure the obvious Beer store redirect actually existed), and at some related articles like Liquor store and Liquor license. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to liquor store, a plain-English term and what most people will be thinking of. Enoteca is an Italian thing, a narrow subset; it's a term unfamiliar to probably 99.99% of our readers, and to the extent it pertains to the English-speaking world at all, it's going to be something found only in major cities for the most part (and particularly wine-connected suburban enclaves like the California wine country just north of San Francisco). I agree that we could possibly have a spinoff article, similar to Beer shop, but until then, liquor store is the appropriate target. It's perfectly fine for a redirect to be a subset of the target article's scope, but it's often confusing and unhelpful for the target to be a subset of the redirect's scope.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:36, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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American Indian history
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 * The result of the discussion was mixed  . This is a messy close, but it looks like we have a weak consensus to keep American Indian history and retarget the other three redirects to Indigenous peoples of the Americas, with no prejudice against creating a disambiguation page. signed,Rosguill talk 23:37, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * American Indian history → History of Native Americans in the United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Indian_history&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Native american history → History of Native Americans in the United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Native_american_history&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Native American history → History of Native Americans in the United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Native_American_history&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * History of Native Americans → History of Native Americans in the United States (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Native_Americans&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Given that native Americans aren't confined to the US, wouldn't it make sense for these redirects to go somewhere else? Native American and American Indian are both dab pages, so one solution is to create a dab page here as well. Another is to retarget to the article with the broadest scope: Indigenous peoples of the Americas. – Uanfala (talk) 02:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the last proposed entry (IpotA#H). Certainly History of Native Americans in Canada is a notable topic too and may warrant a redirect. Ditto for any other entities (History of Native Americans in Mexico,  History of Native Americans in Cuba...?).--<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  04:11, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Contemplated closing these, but these are appropriately targeted. To me, Native Americans are Indigenous peoples in the United States. Library of Congress takes this view, though they use hierarchical subdivisions to class by geography (i.e., Canada).
 * Alternatively, would support Delete but I think retargeting doesn't make sense here. Doug Mehus T · C  01:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep American Indian, redirect others "American Indian" is usually just used for the United States.— Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 20:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with you on the first one, but the trouble I have with retargeting the others is to where? Thus why I said keep for now, for all of them, without prejudice to retargeting—without a full RfD debate—in the future. Doug Mehus T · C  20:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "American Indian" is not usually just used for the United States, at least not in the global context in which wikipedia is positioned. – Uanfala (talk) 22:07, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Really? I'm in Canada and I tend to use the term "First Nations"; rarely do I use Indigenous, and never do I use the terms "Indian" and "Aboriginal" and certainly never with "American" to refer to a non-American Indian. Do you have some sources showing common usage outside of North America for non-American "American Indians"?--Doug Mehus T · C  22:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm on the other side of the pond and I'm used to seeing the term referring either as a whole to the native peoples of the Americas (both North and South, as in this book), or specifically to the ones in the US (as here). I don't have particular knowledge of the topic area (or of English for that matter), as that's why I brought this for discussion here. However, if the general feeling is that "American Indian" has the US ethnicities as a primary topic, then someone needs to make the case for that as the tacit consensus so far appears to have been otherwise (American Indian redirects to a disambiguation page, and has been a disambiguation page for most of its chequered history). – Uanfala (talk) 00:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Disambiguate all, the term is just too ambiguous to clearly know what it desired. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:30, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. I do think a great majority of readers searching either of these terms will be looking for groups indigenous to the present-day United States, but if the base terms are treated as ambiguous (i.e., with no primary topic), these really should be too. --BDD (talk) 16:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * I'd support the redirect target identified by administrator, but now that I think about it, I also like 's disambiguation proposal; I'm just not clear on what that disambiguation would look like. Perhaps if could post a potential dab page on the top redirect, it'd give us a better idea. --Doug Mehus  T · C  01:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep the first ("American Indian" is a rather US term for a US context). Retarget the rest to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. As for Canada, the usual term is First Nations, though I agree redirects using "Native Americans in Canada" can and should exist, targeting the appropriate Canadian articles, since not everyone who isn't a Canadian is familiar with the term "First Nations".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Tail wagging the dog
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 * The result of the discussion was soft redirect.  --BDD (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Tail wagging the dog → Fallacy of composition (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tail_wagging_the_dog&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention of this redirect at the target article, and I'm not sure the article really deals with the phrase. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * soft redirect to Wiktionary tail wagging the dog. There a loads of mentions of this term, and it's a very likely search term, but I can't find an encyclopaedia article that deals with it. The idiom is explained at Wiktionary for those who don't know what it means, which is quite a likely reason for searching for it (particularly for non-native speakers), and it is not explained anywhere on Wikipedia I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It's only mentioned at the wiktionary though. Otherwise Wag the Dog (disambiguation) might be feasible. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect to tail wagging the dog per administrator above. 's redirect to Wag the Dog (disambiguation) is also a good idea which I'd be supportive of, potentially with a Wiktionary definition link to tail wagging the dog How come, though, when I added a soft redirect to red cunt hair for Cunt hair, it was summarily deleted? Legit question:  what's our standards for when to create soft redirects to Wiktionary for Wikipedia redirects that don't have articles? --Doug Mehus  T · C  03:04, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Firstly my being an administrator is completely irrelevant here. Second, soft redirects to Wiktionary are generally only used when the term is likely to be searched for, there is no suitable article in Wikipedia, we are unlikely to be able to write an article that is encyclopaedic (as opposed to dictionaric) content, and there is relevant content at Wiktionary that is more useful than search results or a disambiguation page. In the case of Cunt hair there was no relevant content at Wiktionary. However as Red cunt hair exits as a redirect to Cunt, and that section gives the same meaning to both "cunt hair" and "red cunt hair" I've created the former as a redirect there. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Soft redir per Thryduulf, though I do believe we could write an encyclopedic article about it. It's a term with significant cultural resonance. The concept is the subject (not just title) of a major feature film. And so on. However, I'm not certain it's actually  that such an article would be written.  I've generally been a fan of the principle of redlinking to inspire article creation, but in this case, I think that a) reader desire for an explanation is going to be high, and Wikitionary provides one, and b) the majority of imaginable attempts to create this article are going to be WP:NOTDICT failures (it takes a fair amount of work, and a good handle on the difference between dictionarian and encyclopedic writing, to create a WP-worthy article about a phrase).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:46, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , oh it's nice to hear another person who is a fan of deleting redirects per the reason to inspire article creation. That argument often gets overshadowed by the "cheap" argument of late. Doug Mehus T · C  16:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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PHGSS
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:26, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * PHGSS → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PHGSS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Acronym not mentioned in the target. Also, most third party engine searches return results for a topic related to Phygelius. Steel1943 (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I've heard of HGSS as an acronym, not PHGSS.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:14, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing and not used in any notable sense. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:01, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, and the MOS:ABBR principle that WP doesn't make up acronyms that are not in actual use.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:49, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Draft:Erica C. Barnett.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Guy (help!) 15:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Draft:Erica C. Barnett. → Draft:Erica C. Barnett (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Erica_C._Barnett.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I wasn't sure if a CSD criterion could apply (housekeeping, maybe?), but this redirect with the period was created in error following an undeletion and move to draft namespace by AfD closer upon a request from. Inclusion of the trailing period in the article name seems to have been an entirely accidental typo on SilkTork's part, which JzG promptly and dutifully corrected. Thus, the article has now been moved to the draft namespace at the proper article name, and so I thought I should move this redirect for discussion principally on housekeeping and implausible typo grounds. Doug Mehus T · C  15:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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Ash`s pokemon
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Ash`s pokemon">Ash`s pokemon → Ash Ketchum (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ash%60s_pokemon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Besides the use of the hard-to-type "`", the subject of the redirect's target is not the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as wrong punctuation anyway. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:01, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. This seems to be an implausible typo using a specialized combining diacritic mark that has nothing to do with English-language apostrophes.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Metallics (Pokémon)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Metallics (Pokémon)">Metallics (Pokémon) → Pokémon Gold and Silver (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metallics_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Metallics (Pokemon)">Metallics (Pokemon) → Pokémon Gold and Silver (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metallics_(Pokemon)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pokemon/Metallics">Pokemon/Metallics → Pokémon Gold and Silver (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pokemon/Metallics&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Metallics" is not mentioned in the target article, and referring to the target article as a "metallic", per third party search engine results, seems like some sort of unverifiable made-up WP:NEO. Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, a minor fan name at best. Also manages to still be vague even with that specific disambiguator. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. The right typing should be "Steel" -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ...You rang? Steel1943  (talk) 01:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Gotta edit 'em all! -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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Chapter IV (The Weeknd album)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Chapter IV (The Weeknd album)">Chapter IV (The Weeknd album) → The Weeknd (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chapter_IV_(The_Weeknd_album)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention of anything by the title Chapter IV at the target, so this redirect should be deleted for being purely speculative and unsourced. The Weeknd previously announced his upcoming fourth album would be titled Chapter VI (six, not four), and that is mentioned at the target. I cannot find a reliably sourced mention of the title in news media (pop music blogs like PopSugar are in Google search results, but these are entirely not reliable sources as their entire existence is to traffic in speculation).  Ss  112   13:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Note their other albums are not numbered like this so there's no expectation for a IV. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:07, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems to be an more-or-less implausible typo for Chapter VI.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:50, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Blood Orange (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget.  --BDD (talk) 17:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Blood Orange (film)">Blood Orange (film) → Blood Orange (1953 film) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blood_Orange_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think that this redirect should be replaced by a redirect to the page Blood orange (disambiguation). There are two films named 'Blood Orange' (one from 1953 and one from 2016). At present anyone looking for Blood Orange (film) is being automatically redirected to the page for the 1953 film, without being given the option to choose between the 1953 and 2016 films. AlanD1956 (talk) 12:06, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Wait until Draft:Blood Orange (2016 film) is in better shape. Based on a Google News search for "Blood Orange" "Toby Tobias", the 2016 film is clearly notable, but right now the draft consists of two lines and a citation to IMDB. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Blood orange (disambiguation) as R from incomplete disambiguation. The dab page has entries for both films, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Blood orange (disambiguation). Also see a third film called The Blood Oranges. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:21, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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Blood Orange
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Chaver
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  and retarget the plural form. Thanks, IP. --BDD (talk) 17:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Chaver → Suicide attack (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chaver&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Chavers → Chav (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chavers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Presumably refers to a surname of someone in the news in 2010. I'd like to overwrite with an article about the Hebrew term and title "Chaver", which as a title is an interesting rarity. Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I see that the term does appear in the article. In which case I think the page should become a disambig. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:10, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate (drafted below the redirect). Added to the nomination, since it seems English pluralises both the Hebrew word and the Malayalam word that way; I'd suggest retargeting to the disambiguation page. I'd like to overwrite with an article about the Hebrew term and title "Chaver" &mdash; is Chaber what you're looking for? 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes it was, thanks --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per anon. Nice job. - Eureka Lott 19:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:52, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2 → Mohit Suri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dil_Hai_Ke_Manta_Nahin_2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such film mentioned at the target page. Maybe it was dropped. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  06:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as not mentioned in Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin of any sequels AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:24, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless there's evidence of a sequel being released or re-released under that actual title.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:53, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Arzinoa
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . per WP:R3 Dreamy <i style="color:#d01e1e">Jazz</i> 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 13:36, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Arzinoa → Arizona (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arzinoa&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible typo, to misspell Arizona with two separate letter swaps. Utopes (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Should've been nominated for speedy deletion since it was created less than a day ago. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per R3. I have tagged it. Glades12 (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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HftMT
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * HftMT → Hello from the Magic Tavern (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HftMT&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Did not realize that another one of these redirects existed. That would have been a good thing to check for before I put the first up for RfD. Frankly, I didn't want to add this redirect to the other entry, but my rationale for it still holds true. This acronym does not seem to be in (common) use and is an unlikely search term. Utopes (talk) 04:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment – good idea to just merge with the previous nomination. It's still early enough. UnnamedUser (talk) 04:10, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment – Hey, I'm the person who created this and the one below. The acronym is used within the fandom of the podcast but I can see your point. Apologies for creating this issue. Brsmith19 (talk) 08:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the information! If this abbreviation is popular enough, even within fan circles for the podcast, I'd be happy to have the acronym mentioned in the article so that these redirects exist for people in fan circles. Utopes (talk) 00:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep seeing this on hashtags, and no other articles with this initialism. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per AngusWOOF; we now have evidence of actual use.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hftmt
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 * The result of the discussion was keep.  --BDD (talk) 17:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hftmt → Hello from the Magic Tavern (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hftmt&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely acronym. This subject doesn't appear to be abbreviated to this 5-letter acronym, and therefore would be an unlikely search term. Utopes (talk) 03:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment – HftMT also exists. UnnamedUser (talk) 03:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep refers mainly to the show, and also used extensively in hashtags. No others with the same initialism to disambiguate AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per AngusWOOF; we now have evidence of actual use.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:55, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Pokégods
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:11, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Pokégods">Pokégods → Pokémon (video game series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9gods&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pokégod">Pokégod → Pokémon (video game series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9god&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pokegods → Pokémon (video game series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pokegods&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pokegod → Pokémon (video game series) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pokegod&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as obscure synonym. Although there are pokemons that are worshipped as gods or identified as such in-universe, they are not called "pokegods" aside from memes and fan speculations as far as my search shows. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:46, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Purely a fanon term for godlike Pokemon.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete leftover fandom term https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/PokéGods AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Another case of an R from merge that would have been better off as a suppressed redir?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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I don't even know at this point
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't even know at this point → Uncertainty (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_don%27t_even_know_at_this_point&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't see how this is a plausible redirect. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-search term. UnnamedUser (talk) 03:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and above. --Doug Mehus T · C  15:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as a vague synonym at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete doesn't seem to be a meme at this time either. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the name of the nominated redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 17:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not seeing evidence, either, of this being an Internet meme or a common expression.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:56, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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List of Pokémon by Japanese Name
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Japanese Name">List of Pokémon by Japanese Name → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Japanese_Name&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Pokemon by Japanese Name → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Japanese_Name&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are no Japanese names in the target page's list, nor is there a way to sort the list in that manner. Steel1943 (talk) 01:30, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sounds like a feature someone meant to implement but did not, or maybe an alternative list was merged but lost that feature in the process. We don't need to keep R-from-merge stuff when the redir names are directly misleading.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:57, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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List of Pokémon by "non-National" number
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * List of Pokemon by Johto Pokedex → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Johto_Pokedex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Pokemon by Johto Pokedex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Johto_Pokedex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex">List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Johto_Pok%C3%A9dex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number">List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Johto_Pok%C3%A9dex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Hoenn Pokedex → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hoenn_Pokedex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Hoenn Pokédex">Hoenn Pokédex → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hoenn_Pok%C3%A9dex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Pokemon by Hoenn Pokedex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Hoenn_Pokedex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Pokemon by Shin'ou Pokedex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Shin%27ou_Pokedex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Pokemon by Shinou Pokedex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Shinou_Pokedex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Pokemon by Sinnoh Pokedex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Sinnoh_Pokedex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number">List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Hoenn_Pok%C3%A9dex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Shin'ou Pokédex number">List of Pokémon by Shin'ou Pokédex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Shin%27ou_Pok%C3%A9dex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Shinou Pokédex number">List of Pokémon by Shinou Pokédex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Shinou_Pok%C3%A9dex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number">List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Sinnoh_Pok%C3%A9dex_number&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sinnoh pokedex → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sinnoh_pokedex&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target page is sorted by number by the "national" numbering scheme. The list is not sorted or sortable in any other fictional area's Pokédex scheme. Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number, List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number and List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number are R from merges. Steel1943  (talk) 00:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep these for R from merge, and for the assumption that the rest of the redirects included previously redirected to the "R from merge" redirects, only to have been a fixed double redirect. If not the case, my following rationale still applies, in that these names are still plausible search terms. While the target article may not have been sorted, it fulfills the purpose that people would search for that article: being to find the Pokemon in Hoenn's Pokedex, Sinnoh's Pokedex, etc. In addendum, the Pokemon are sorted by generation on the target page, meaning that for someone searching for a list of Pokemon from a region's Pokedex, their search will be successful as the information pertaining to their search is present, even if "Hoenn" or "Sinnoh" aren't present. I'm not going to bring up the NatDex debate. Utopes (talk) 04:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ...The problem with retaining the R from merge redirects in their current form/title is that the content of those redirects is technically not in the target article. As search terms, the aforementioned redirects' titles are misleading. If there is a way to move their edit histories to move valid titles (probably as a "List of Pokémon (###–###)" form or something of the like), I'd support them being retained, but as it stands, readers will not find the specific information or sorting function in the target article as named by the nominated redirects. Steel1943  (talk) 15:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Steel1943. Just assorted crufty stuff, nothing of value will be lost when they are deleted.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. This is leftover stuff that was likely copied from Bulbapedia. There's no mention of using the national pokedex numbers except from those websites https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pokémon_by_Johto_Pokédex_number The main list of pokemon mention that some generations are associated with specific regions such as Johto, but the individual Generation pages do not have those sequences renumbered. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Misleading redirect, and probably an that would have been better off as suppressed redirect.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:58, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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List of Basic Pokémon
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="List of Basic Pokémon">List of Basic Pokémon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Basic_Pok%C3%A9mon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Basic Pokemon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Basic_Pokemon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target list does not define what a "basic Pokémon" is. Steel1943 (talk) 00:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: List of Basic Pokémon is a R with history. Steel1943  (talk) 00:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not clear what a basic is either. Different games have different starter pokemon. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. If anyone needs to recover history, it can be done by an admin if that someone isn't an admin. The name is misleading so we should not keep it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , oh, interesting...can revision(s) be restored from one deleted article and added in, chronologically, to the revision history of a current page, or do you mean the admin would have to pull the deleted revisions and paste them into the talkpage of a current page? Doug Mehus T · C  16:52, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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List of generation X Pokémon
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="List of generation X Pokémon">List of generation X Pokémon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_generation_X_Pok%C3%A9mon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of generation IX Pokémon">List of generation IX Pokémon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_generation_IX_Pok%C3%A9mon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Generation 8 was just released. These two redirects are unverified WP:CRYSTAL. Steel1943 (talk) 00:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – WP:CRYSTAL per nom, no one's going to be searching for them when they don't exist. UnnamedUser (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. No useful purpose, WP:CRYSTAL, and an unlikely search term. Utopes (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:25, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Crystal. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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Pokemon-Pets
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Pokemon-Pets → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pokemon-Pets&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's unclear what this redirect is meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 00:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Looking into the page history, this was a completely unreferenced fancruft list, which could have possibly been a hoax, and was PRODded back in 2009. It was redirected, and frankly there isn't much history worth salvaging here. Utopes (talk) 03:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – article does not have mention of topic. Topic itself is non-notable and fancrufty. UnnamedUser (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Another case of an R from merge that would have been better off as a suppressed redir? It never ceases to amaze me how much cruft Pokemon generates here. [sigh]  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:01, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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List of Pokemon by Stage
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 16:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * List of Pokemon by Stage → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_Stage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Pokemon by stage → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pokemon_by_stage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by Stage">List of Pokémon by Stage → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_Stage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Pokémon by stage">List of Pokémon by stage → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_stage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Stage 1 Pokemon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Stage_1_Pokemon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Stage 1 Pokémon">List of Stage 1 Pokémon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Stage_1_Pok%C3%A9mon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Stage 2 Pokemon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Stage_2_Pokemon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of Stage 2 Pokémon">List of Stage 2 Pokémon → List of Pokémon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Stage_2_Pok%C3%A9mon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The word "stage" is not mentioned in the target page, nor does the target page make effort in the list to define what a "stage" is. Steel1943 (talk) 00:06, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Guessing it means 'evolutionary stage', either way, it's totally irrelevant and fancruft.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This would be like List of Tier 3 pokemon, which might have context in a specific game like Pokemon Go. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Another case of an R from merge that would have been better off as a suppressed redir?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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