Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 12

February 12
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 12, 2019.

Article element(HTML5)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Article element(HTML5) → Article element (HTML5) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Article_element(HTML5)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete Erroneously created without the space. Just not recently enough to be speedied. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:40, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as UnitedStatesian says. 178.164.162.144 (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not helpful in this case as a syntax thing. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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How to read a taxobox
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Articles requiring cleanup → Wikipedia:Cleanup (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Articles_requiring_cleanup&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * How to read a taxobox → Wikipedia:How to read a taxobox (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_read_a_taxobox&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete More cross-namespace redirects that do not meet the high bar required for existence. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nominator. --Bsherr (talk) 22:00, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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The Socialist, The Architect and The Twisted Tower
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The Socialist, The Architect and The Twisted Tower → Turning Torso (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Socialist,_The_Architect_and_The_Twisted_Tower&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is the name of a documentary film about this building. But the article does not mention it, so I think it is better deleted per WP:REDLINK. Seems a very unlikely search term for anything but the film itself. 178.164.162.144 (talk) 21:19, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete for now as there is nothing to say it is a notable film even for a section in this article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:51, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:How to edit a page/HowDoesOneEditaPage
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HowDoesOneEditaPage
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Glory God and gold
     <span id="Gold, God and glory"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 21%23Glory God and gold

Robert de La Salle
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Family Bands
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:49, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Family Bands → Category:Show business families (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Bands&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. The target is not a list of family bands Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:44, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Note that Family Band goes to Family (disambiguation) AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Good spot Angus. That disambiguation page contains several entries for bands called "Family" or "The Family", but I don't think it makes a good target for "Family Bands" plural. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:54, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Category:Family musical groups which is a listing of family bands. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete. WP:XNR, not used in any article. (Used once in a potential article, the declined Draft:Five Islands Music.) 178.164.162.144 (talk) 21:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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Byah
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 15:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Byah → Howard Dean (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Byah&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's not mentioned on the target page <b style="border:1px solid #dfdfdf;color:green; padding:1px 3px;background:#FFD">Ron h jones </b>(Talk) 03:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Bayh and mark with R from typo; it's easy to transpose adjacent letters, and easier not to notice your mistake when they're mid-word. Unless it's an acronym for something, I can't imagine how "byah" could perhaps be related to Howard Dean if it's not mentioned in the article.  Nyttend (talk) 03:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It's probably a rendition of the Dean scream. --BDD (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. This redirect is apparently not related to the target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Refine to Dean Scream section and add redirects here with hatnote to Bayh.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Do not keep. This is bordering on a BLP violation: the "Dean scream" might have beceome infamous but there's no reason to associate a generic (if not that common) interjection like "byah" with it. I don't think the redirect is a plausible misspelling for Bayh, and if there's any suitable target that's Vivaah ("byah" being a common altarnative pronunciation of the term in some regions.) – Uanfala (talk) 15:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I doubt anyone looking up the Dean Scream would type Byah specifically.--67.68.28.142 (talk) 04:00, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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Flow arts
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Complete list of encyclopedia topics
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Heart pain
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Discussion died out nearly two weeks ago, without a meaningful consensus.  This is probably closer to keep by strength of arguments, but I see no consensus on what to do with it. ~  Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Heart pain → Angina (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heart_pain&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. "Heart pain" can have various reasons, and hence, that term is not to be restricted merely to angina pectoris. Hildeoc (talk) 22:23, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This feels like the sort of title that would be best targetted at a broad concept article or set index. Thryduulf (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This could be a dab, referring to chest pain, angina, heartache, or other ideas. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:53, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep, the target article discusses heart pain... I don't think the metaphorical sense (eg: Heartache) would be referred to as "heart pain" and chest pain is too broad and focuses on things that aren't related to the heart. Without any other suggestions, that defaults to keeping it as is. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:13, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Chest pain. I agree that this is too broad to be pointed to one type of heart pain. Chest pain lists many types of heart pain, and while it's not all heart-related, I'm comfortable with this just as a matter of basic anatomy. --BDD (talk) 15:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per BDD. "Heart pain" is too generic for medical purposes, since it just reflects what you feel: pain vaguely coming from the area of the heart, i.e. the chest. If you're able to be more precise as far as the origin (e.g. you know it's angina), you won't use such an imprecise term as "heart pain".  Nyttend (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Then it should be taken care that the term "heart pain" is mentioned there (in boldface) as per WP:LEAST.--Hildeoc (talk) 17:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No, WP:LEAST says nothing about bolding extra terms in unhelpful places. Nyttend (talk) 21:24, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * See MOS:BOLD: Use boldface in the remainder of the article only in a few special cases: To follow the "principle of least astonishment" after following a redirect, for terms in the first couple of paragraphs of an article, or at the beginning of a section of an article, which are the subjects of redirects to the article or section (for example, subtopics of the article's topic, rather than the synonyms as already boldfaced per the above)--Hildeoc (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep, since angina is heart pain, or better described as pain over the referred area of pain from the heart, and the chest pain article refers to pain in the entire chest.  10:52, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * And yet, the term in question as such should appear in a proper manner within the target, i. e. as provided by the relevant guidelines of the above policy as well as WP:R.--Hildeoc (talk) 23:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep this is the logical target of the redirect. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:49, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, in which particular respect do you think that is "the logical target"? Cannot a feeling described as "heart pain" hark back, as well, to reasons other than angina pectoris as such?--Hildeoc (talk) 13:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In the sense that a lay person might use it as a search term to describe what is angina pectoris. You do make a good point though, I just don't think that is likely to be a term people will search for per se.--Tom (LT) (talk) 23:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * Having looked at the google results its very clear that Angina is not the primary topic for "heart pain" - that would be a mixture of chest pain, heart attack and heartburn so I stand by my recommendation of disambiguation. Thryduulf (talk) 01:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Knowledge Architect
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:50, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Knowledge Architect → Instructional design (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Knowledge_Architect&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target doesn't mention it. This is to do with Knowledge engineering but we have Knowledge engineer as an article too. We haven't Knowledge architect. "Knowledge Architecture" and "Knowledge Architects" are companies. Veering to delete per WP:RFD. 178.164.162.144 (talk) 18:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's no appropriate article, and since Knowledge architect is a redlink this should be too. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:36, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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Ierome Bernard Cohen
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:50, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Ierome Bernard Cohen → I. Bernard Cohen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ierome_Bernard_Cohen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, as the name Ierome Bernard Cohen is not an authentic version of I. Bernard Cohen's name and apparently exists only on Wikipedia and derived sources.
 * See SteveMcCluskey (talk) 17:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Although I prefer deletion (since the incorrect name is not commonly used), if kept, the redirect should be flagged with the Template:R from incorrect name. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 21:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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Software Architects
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Famous architect
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Greg the Architect
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 01:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Greg the Architect → TIBCO Software (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greg_the_Architect&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, nothing in the article mentions this, apparently a character in ads. The page was after a content merge in 2008. I can't find that it's used anywhere else. 178.164.162.144 (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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Haag–Ruelle scattering theory
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 13:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)


 * <span id="Haag–Ruelle scattering theory">Haag–Ruelle scattering theory → Wightman axioms (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haag%E2%80%93Ruelle_scattering_theory&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target page contains no further information on this topic. Similarly, Haag-Ruelle scattering theory (note the hyphen-minus instead of the en dash) redirects to S-matrix, but the topic is not mentioned on the target page. Tea2min (talk) 12:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep This theory is mentioned and cited in the lead of Wightman axioms, so that redirect seems fine to me. Alternatively, a redirect to Haag%27s_theorem is possible, where it is mentioned and has some references. The other-dashed redirect should go to the same target as the former. -- 09:48, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep'. Mentioned with two references in lead of article. 178.164.162.144 (talk) 07:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
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Plymouth Duster (L-body)
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Conifur Northwest
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 01:50, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Conifur Northwest → List of furry conventions (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conifur_Northwest&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No longer mentioned at the target list; I had removed it from this list 4 days ago due to a lack of outside coverage of the convention in question, especially during its final year. Jalen D. Folf  (talk)  04:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Conifur NorthWest → List of furry conventions (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conifur_NorthWest&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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Sad onion
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 01:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Sad onion → Stuart Ashen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sad_onion&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Sad Onion" is a warning symbol that a product is not for very small children. Apparently, Ashen sells a tee-shirt with this symbol. No mention in the article. No better redirect either, recommend delete. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 01:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to The Magic Roundabout. There's at least one mention in this article, although it appears to be the title of a story told at some point in the series. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  04:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Either way, it wouldn't really be notable. -- It's  Boothsift  06:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No way does it make sense to retaget it to The Magic Roundabout, that would be WP:SURPRISEing. This symbol does have some uses as "Sad Onion" on YouTube etc. but I don't think it is by any means a WP:COMMONNAME. Crying onion is red. Hence a Weak delete. 178.164.162.144 (talk) 07:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
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